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MMDA - moderate dosage - first time.

Dresden

Dresden

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MMDA
1-(3,4-methylenedioxy-5-methoxyphenyl)-2-aminopropane.

You Will Understand The Meaning Of The Word Serenity, And You Will Know Peace. It Is Very Gentle, Soft, Warm, Tranquil, And Relaxing. Moderate pupil dilation. That is all I have to add at the moment. Tris!



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Man I got excited when I saw an MMDA report posted... I wish you had some more to add. If at all possible could you please elaborate when you get a chance? There are few MMDA trip reports available so it would be really helpful to the community.
 
I think it's because MMDA is approximately 42x as expensive to manufacture than MDMA is per gram. This is quite the experience. Ask me anything. Long lasting, serene, balanced, etc. Will elaborate more probably when I come down. PLUR.
 
I'm curious if you experienced the "brain movies" that other users have reported. Is there an outpouring of empathy and sociability, or is it "quieter" than that? In what ways does it resemble MDMA and in what ways does it not?
 
No brain movies. Calmer than MDMA. Strong. Long lasting. Butterflies in the stomach. Didn't feel like dancing. Both relaxing and stimulating. No effusive outpouring of empathy, but it was there. In comparison to MDMA, I would prefer the pre loss of magic MDMA rolls, but nowadays I just don't get off on MDMA like I used to. MMDA is a solid, relaxing yet stimulating, worthy, and functional alternative. My session lasted 12 plus hours, with marked insomnia and rather extensive pupil dilation. However, I have the feeling MMDA is probably not addictive.
 
Nice, it sounds pretty lovely. A number of reports (starting with PIHKAL) mention the "brain movies" with closed eyes. But there are so few reports, it could just be a coincidence or even the power of suggestion. I've had brain movies a bunch of times from drugs, some more often than others, but from trip to trip, I may or may not get them.
 
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Sounds nice, the information is appreciated. We put MDMA behind us a long time ago but MMDA is still one we would be interested to try.

Xorkoth, are you familiar with the 1974 book "The Healing Journey" by Claudio Naranjo? It documents his use of MDA, MMDA, harmaline, and ibogaine as psychotherapeutic substances. It's been a long time since I thought about it, but I'm fairly certain he mentions that MMDA produces dreamlike experiences with closed eyes and used it as part of his therapeutic process. I don't claim to be an expert but I think the "brain movies" are a fairly well-established MMDA effect, not that everyone will definitely get them or that anyone will definitely get them every time.
 
By 'brain movies' do you mean like, for example, dxm cev's? I did notice color enhancement but wasn't particularly looking out for cev's. I dunno.
 
I was always suspicious that the brain movies thing was probably a fluke, just like some people getting noteworthy visuals from MDMA apparently. Still, it could be dose dependent. It could even be common, but not ubiquitous. Hell, what effect is truly universal? I always found MDMA to be socially isolating and melancholic, which is pretty bizarre. Because I'm fascinated with the empathogenic effects of MDMA I don't get them, I've always wondered what MMDA would do for me. Thanks so much for the report on this rarity!
 
Yes thanks Dresden. I have had MDMA and MDME. MDME was called eve. And it was very nice, didn't have the roll of MDMA but put you in a similar but mellower state. MMDA I also think of the "brain movies" that is documented on anything written about MMDA. That really is a loose term. Damn, I have brain movies now. lol
 
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Dresden said:
By 'brain movies' do you mean like, for example, dxm cev's? I did notice color enhancement but wasn't particularly looking out for cev's. I dunno.
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We haven't experienced anything like that on DXM so I can't answer that question. The only things they've ever sounded overly similar to to me were deliriants, which is also how I feel about MDMA's hallucinogenic effects, but MMDA's sound stronger. Based only on what I've heard, I wouldn't necessarily expect you to notice much if at all in that way except in the closed eye visuals.

We recently took nutmeg essential oil which contains myristicin, a molecule almost identical in structure to MMDA, and got hallucinations of a mostly closed eye nature that were almost exactly like specific MMDA hallucinations we have read about, especially in morninggloryseed's trip report, which were unlike anything we have ever experienced before except MDMA and diphenhydramine and were far too powerful and obvious to be placebo or suggestion. I would definitely recommend giving the closed eye a shot next time.

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I was always suspicious that the brain movies thing was probably a fluke, just like some people getting noteworthy visuals from MDMA apparently. Still, it could be dose dependent. It could even be common, but not ubiquitous. Hell, what effect is truly universal? I always found MDMA to be socially isolating and melancholic, which is pretty bizarre. Because I'm fascinated with the empathogenic effects of MDMA I don't get them, I've always wondered what MMDA would do for me. Thanks so much for the report on this rarity!
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What exactly made you think they're a fluke? They're mentioned and called out as significant in almost every single piece of literature written on MMDA that I'm aware of, both trip reports and books. This is not the only negative result I'm aware of but it's very outweighed by the positive results as far as I can tell.

I'm curious too, did you ever try to get hallucinations from MDMA? Most people don't and they miss them as a result. In my experience they only come on about three and a half to four hours after dosing and are mostly noticeable when also pumping them up with something like smoking cannabis. Not that they must be or likely would be ubiquitous, but we took a lot of MDMA back in the day and almost no one we used it with was unable to get hallucinations on it this way when they tried it, including the ones who were skeptical.
 
Brain movies or no brain movies, this stuff is worthwhile imo. Somewhat somatically punishing when dosed too high. Queasiness.
 
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Some of us just have different priorities when it comes to this particular molecule. ;) I'm sure it's a lovely empathogen but that alone does not interest me personally. The information is, again, appreciated either way.
 
From what I understand, it wouldn't be, no. It would be much more understated than either. methylone is like an intense pea, lots of energy, etc. MMDA sounds to be relaxing, not energizing, and very calm.
 
I get brain movies on mmda when dosing very large doses 300mg + only used twice product had some impurties at the time i didn't understand the dosage range and was already in heavy mdma abuse so i took all of it at once. Did it alone and laid down with music eyes closed lost in very life like type movies been played time passed by very rapidily. Was almost like reliving past memories of previous years and if i focused before closing the eyes on the scene or people it would play out something similar and random to the thoughts. Body heat increased alot more compared to mdma imo had to strip down to cool down to not overheat. Shaking was very very bad and made it impossible to roll a joint
 
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Looking back--and this is simply my highly whimsical and subjective impression-- but MMDA didn't feel like a completely 'natural' fit for the DA and 5-HT receptors, like MDxx does. It was like the phenyl's meta methoxy group was mainly getting in the way, sterically.

I didn't scientifically analyze the substance for positive identification. Thus, this trip report may be largely worthless and should be taken with a grain (54 mg) of salt! It was definitely not a placebo though.
 
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