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Mixed feelings about kratom

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I've seen more reports lately of people having addiction issues with kratom, but part of me feels like its a lot of media fearmongering after 7oh was banned. I've used it off and on socially for a few years but never felt much of a connection to it, mostly just made me nauseous. Today I went into a gas station and bought one of those "feel free" drinks that has kratom and kava together. It was fairly pleasant and relieved recent stress I'd been feeling. It felt fairly benign and not like a strong high but definitely a mood lift. I'm considering buying more of them but I also don't want to end up with a habit. Personally I think it's better to have one of those than to be sucking on the damn nicotine pouches all day. What is your opinion on this? Fairly harmless or a potential problem?
 
I don't think it's a problem now and again, or intermittently. But I do see people taking it way more often and in higher doses, and I don't honestly think that is a good thing. And obviously there is that pull to use more and more often. Probably better than a fentanyl or oxy habit, but still...
It's going to affect opioid neurotransmitters, your natural endorphin system, your body's innate ability to regulate mood and pain. Other people are going to be of a different opinion but I personally don't think that's healthy in an ideal world.
I have been observing what it does to me with intermittent use for the past 2 years and I think it has had negative impacts on my natural mood and pain regulation. Of course, I tended towards depression already, which is what drew me to kratom in the first place. I just think I've gotten worse since I started taking it.
 
washingtonbound said:
I've seen more reports lately of people having addiction issues with kratom, but part of me feels like its a lot of media fearmongering after 7oh was banned. I've used it off and on socially for a few years but never felt much of a connection to it, mostly just made me nauseous. Today I went into a gas station and bought one of those "feel free" drinks that has kratom and kava together. It was fairly pleasant and relieved recent stress I'd been feeling. It felt fairly benign and not like a strong high but definitely a mood lift. I'm considering buying more of them but I also don't want to end up with a habit. Personally I think it's better to have one of those than to be sucking on the damn nicotine pouches all day. What is your opinion on this? Fairly harmless or a potential problem?
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I haven't done it myself. I'm also curious about this.

But from what I understand there's not a ton of research into the risks and impacts of kratom in general. A lot of the threads on here involve people using it to deal with opioid withdrawals. So I do wonder how much of the addiction risk is about replacing one drug with another. To be fair, though, you could probably say that about a lot of things -_(• _ •)_-

Anecdotally, I've heard that the "high" tends to wane in the long term. People end up just feeling nauseous without any upsides. I've also seen talk of bladder issues from long term use.

But again. I don't know tons.
 
Kratom: you are fine untill you are taking 10g doses multiple times a day and if it took long enough without a dose id rattle and puke 3/10
2-4g 3x/day is fine tho.

Kratom extract: cheap af 3G of 25x extract plus some benzos felt at the very least like plugger ODSMT. Dont do this multiple days in a row.
 
Loquacious said:
Kratom: you are fine untill you are taking 10g doses multiple times a day and if it took long enough without a dose id rattle and puke 3/10
2-4g 3x/day is fine tho.

Kratom extract: cheap af 3G of 25x extract plus some benzos felt at the very least like plugger ODSMT. Dont do this multiple days in a row.
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I just drank Kratom seltzer 5 days in a row and stopped yesterday. Felt a bit of psychological withdrawal. I realized I don’t even like it that much, feels like a weak dirty opiate that messes with your sex drive, I’ll pass on it. I was only drinking it because I was bored and they sell it at my local gas station, it’s not really worth it in my opinion. Nauseating as well
 
washingtonbound said:
I just drank Kratom seltzer 5 days in a row and stopped yesterday. Felt a bit of psychological withdrawal. I realized I don’t even like it that much, feels like a weak dirty opiate that messes with your sex drive, I’ll pass on it. I was only drinking it because I was bored and they sell it at my local gas station, it’s not really worth it in my opinion. Nauseating as well
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I haven’t heard of kratom seltzer, how does this translate to grams of kratom powder?


IMO kratom is great for everything wd related. My main issue with it was trying to keep it down long enough to kick in when in opiate wd. I set timers so I dosed every few hours, missing one of these doses meant no more relief. My stomache just kept contracting, could barely swallow my spit without puking it up.


Yes it messes with your sex drive, makes you lose your hair, fuck w your stomache long term.
 
Loquacious said:
I haven’t heard of kratom seltzer, how does this translate to grams of kratom powder?


IMO kratom is great for everything wd related. My main issue with it was trying to keep it down long enough to kick in when in opiate wd. I set timers so I dosed every few hours, missing one of these doses meant no more relief. My stomache just kept contracting, could barely swallow my spit without puking it up.


Yes it messes with your sex drive, makes you lose your hair, fuck w your stomache long term.
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The seltzer I get is called mitra-9. I don’t know exactly how many grams of Kratom is in it. Switched over to those after trying those gross feel free drinks. I had to two cans of it yesterday, threw it up and felt terrible. I don’t particularly like the feeling of it, was only pleasant the first couple times.

Today I had nothing and noticed my brain was itching for it nevertheless. I think there is big time potential for psychological dependency, that’s why it works well for opiate withdrawals but at the same time can induce withdrawals in itself.
 
I've only tried the extracts (including 7OH) and two shots of the black shots. Those shots taste like some hobo's 12 day old fucking ear wax. And they made me feel about like that, too. The chewable tablets do what I need for minor pain issues, and they make me feel great. No obsessive thoughts like with the percocet I used to take. I don't fear withdrawal or dependency from these. They are a positive thing in my life. Pretty expensive, though.
 
I've gone through a few kratom phases, first serious one starting around 2012. I first tried it in the UK as it was classed as a 'legal high' and sold in head shops. I've always used the powder form. First tried it as an alternative to tramadol which I had become rather fond of at the time but struggled to source a regular supply. I've always struggled with lethargy and opioids seemed to be a great solution to this initially. Kratom was a similar feeling to tramadol. to me, a bit euphoric and buzzy. It gave me a boost of energy and would take it after work to go to the gym. After this I discovered that it was lovely first thing in the morning to get me up and out for an early nursing shift. From there I started to take it morning, mid morning break, afternoon break and evening and it worked wonders to get me through 12 hour nursing shifts. After a while though I realized that the effect would wear off fairly quickly and I would be constantly thinking about my next dose. There were the early stages of withdrawal too, dysphoria and a lowering of mood alongside a shitty withdrawal feeling. After that for years it became so ingrained in my daily routine that I couldn't contemplate life without it even though I was probably getting minimal benefit. Day trips out and holidays I had to make sure I had my supply in hand and doses prepared. I became an expert at chucking down a dose subtly and often in public mainly to stave off the horrible withdrawal feeling. It got to the point where I would often wake up in the night feeling like shit and have to chuck a dose down to go back to sleep. There were many attempts to taper and stop over the years. My most successful up until recently was a whole year off using Wim Hoff breathing techniques to give me a lift in the mornings. Eventually the lethargy and stress of life led me back to it again with the intention of just using it sparingly every few days for a little buzz and relaxation. Was back to my usual dosing schedule within a day or two and as is common, as time goes on would always sneak in extra doses when feeling low or stressed. Not sure what my total use was at my worst but probably between 20 and 30 grams daily which is not a lot to some. What finally prompted me to quit a couple of months ago was the fact the for the past year I have been noticing dark patches of pigmentation on my face around my eyes. People commented thinking I had been punched in the face etc. It just looks a bit weird. Upon researching this I discovered that hyper pigmentation can be a side effect of Kratom use and If i was to keep going it would likely get much worse. I have chatted to other chronic users with the same issue that didn't stop early and it has seriously affected their self confidence. I have managed to quit now using a supply of codeine tablets then weaning off them but I still struggle day to day and often relapse on them or the odd low dose oxy I manage to get my hands on.

To sum up. Kratom can be a fun if mellow buzz to give you a bit of motivation, light euphoria (for a while) and definitely has it's place in helping people come off harder opiates but don't mess with it if you are vulnerable to compulsive behavior or have an addictive nature. It can take over your whole daily routine if you let it to the point where you are getting minimal benefit and just living from dose to dose.
 
I am dependent on kratom.

I take 12g to 14g powdered leaf per day, costing me about $80 a month. I find kratom to be self-regulating-- if I take a little more than I should, I get dizzy & nauseated with no increase in pleasant effects. I've been taking it daily for about five years with no noticeable side effects.

Compared to my past addictions (alcohol, benzos, cocaine, meth, opioids) kratom is a walk in the park. It's relatively cheap & relatively safe. I never use extracts, concentrates, or anything labeled 7-OH or anything like that.

As plant-based drugs go, I consider kratom leaf to be about as dangerous as coffee beans.
 
Currently using it for a 10g eurodope habit. It was only seven days but enough to start mild withdrawal. Im expecting some IC-26 because i need to function tomorrow, i can withdraw in the weekend.

When I used it to come of a month long habit everything went fine until i forgot a single dose and the puking started. No more solids,liquids, even sublingual benzos would be a bitch to get in my system.

The best part about kratom is how it gets my gut back to normal. The first bm is never fun but it’s smooth sailing afterwards.
Opiate constipation has always felt very toxic. I always wondered if “lifers” just never go to the toilet or if it normalises.


Im getting sick of getting sick. Hell, if the dope wasnt free i wouldnt be in this position.
 
jasperkent said:
I am dependent on kratom.

I take 12g to 14g powdered leaf per day, costing me about $80 a month. I find kratom to be self-regulating-- if I take a little more than I should, I get dizzy & nauseated with no increase in pleasant effects. I've been taking it daily for about five years with no noticeable side effects.

Compared to my past addictions (alcohol, benzos, cocaine, meth, opioids) kratom is a walk in the park. It's relatively cheap & relatively safe. I never use extracts, concentrates, or anything labeled 7-OH or anything like that.

As plant-based drugs go, I consider kratom leaf to be about as dangerous as coffee beans.
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It’s insane how quickly extracts destroy your tolerance and make kratom basically useless. Im talking about 3gs of 25x extract making me not feel 5-10g doses of good kratom.

But man those extracts do feel like big boy opiates when you dont have a tolerance so i get the allure for sure.
 
jasperkent said:
I am dependent on kratom.

I take 12g to 14g powdered leaf per day, costing me about $80 a month. I find kratom to be self-regulating-- if I take a little more than I should, I get dizzy & nauseated with no increase in pleasant effects. I've been taking it daily for about five years with no noticeable side effects.

Compared to my past addictions (alcohol, benzos, cocaine, meth, opioids) kratom is a walk in the park. It's relatively cheap & relatively safe. I never use extracts, concentrates, or anything labeled 7-OH or anything like that.

As plant-based drugs go, I consider kratom leaf to be about as dangerous as coffee beans.
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I've started to buy these "mitra 9" seltzers that they sell at my local gas station. I buy it because weed is no longer good for me at all in helping me relax and quell obsessive thinking, actually makes things worse. I was a frequent weed user until a few years ago.

The seltzers last for a few hours and I've had one a day most days for three weeks. I think psychological withdrawal is starting to begin, accompanied with dependence on nicotine pouches. This isn't as big a deal as other addictions, but I'm really getting sick of addictions in general. I would like to be completely clean, but when I am, the lethargy and boredom causes me to seek something again.
 
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washingtonbound said:
The seltzer I get is called mitra-9. I don’t know exactly how many grams of Kratom is in it. Switched over to those after trying those gross feel free drinks. I had to two cans of it yesterday, threw it up and felt terrible. I don’t particularly like the feeling of it, was only pleasant the first couple times.

Today I had nothing and noticed my brain was itching for it nevertheless. I think there is big time potential for psychological dependency, that’s why it works well for opiate withdrawals but at the same time can induce withdrawals in itself.
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Very few if even half a gram .they sell loads of theses buzz drinks in thailand and there junk .nothing beats a fresh handfull of kratom leaves picked carefully from a tree ,a feeling between stimulants and opioids and it lasts for most of the day depending on tolerance
 
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I couldn't get past the taste of it. Bought 2oz of bali in 2017. Started taking it recently and bought a 250g bag of maeng da. It tastes a lot better and at 3g of leaf it was too much yesterday. So I'll cut it back, take today off, and dial in 2g of leaf maybe tomorrow.

I bought a shot of extract and not only was it ridiculously expensive, it was just way too strong and hard to dial in a dose. Leaf kratom I don't get WDs from. However I do notice my mind is foggy because of it. ANd I have a hard time landing on the right words now because my body is dopey.
 
I take Kratom about once a week. My dosage is about a gram or so since I take it for the "work encouraging" effect. No issues. I imagine twice a week for a short time or intermittently wouldn't hurt. I've done this for a few years.
 
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