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Mislabeled Research Chemicals

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After the disastrous mislabeling of bromo-dragonFLY labeled and sold as 2C-B-FLY, many people must be wondering if any mixups have occurred in the past from vendors. I recently read of one case where someone ordered DMT and received 2C-E, but considering DMT is strictly scheduled, this was not an error from a conventional vendor. (Not that there is probably much difference in most cases).

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=69307

This case was not the same as the bromo-dragonFLY incident. In this case the person ordered DMT and got a package which did not have a chemical name on the label, only a number code. Before dosing, he did not check the number code which was labelled correctly and would have indicated that the supposed "DMT" was actually 2C-E. In this case the chemical was not mislabeled, but the wrong chemical was sent with the correct number code and no chemical name on the label.

I'm wondering if any one has had mixups when ordering research chemicals, or was the bromo-dragonFLY an isolated incident most likely caused by the similarity of the suffix -FLY in both chemicals and lack of communication between the vendor and the chemists?

In light of the tragedy, considering how quickly BL, Erowid and other forums got this information out, it is actually reassuring that any mislabeling will be exposed and countless lives spared. I'm wondering if any other incidents, be it mislabeling or having the wrong chemical sent have occurred, maybe some that were not exposed?

My condolences to any one who has been affected by the mislabeling of psychoactives.
 
It seems to me that it would a safe habit to test any RC you get before you use high doses. That could mean just ingesting 1-2mg to make sure that it's not a DOx, if you've ordered a 2c-x, for example.
 
yeh thats what I would do. Even if something doesn't kill you or cause serious injury in wrong does(a 2c mistaken for a 2c) I bet you could still be very very unpleasant of you overdose!! ! thing to try would be a tester kit. Although are there any kits that can distinguish between doX and 2cX or just that you have either of the two and not say some other random unrelated chemical? I feel like even 2mg with Dox could be alot right? I've never tried them but it seems like going into 2mg bc you were testing to see if it was 2cx could be really unpleasant for the inexperienced?
 
My latest order of mephedrone is well dodgy.
A flour like consistency which clumps together and smells strongly of vinegar.
All my previous batches have been the fishscale/crystally stuff.
Friends have tested it and said its defo not the same as the fishscale stuff.
Anyone else have the same problem with meph, any idea what the stuff might be?
 
I once asked a dealer (not a vendor) for 2C-I that he said he could get for me, and when it came into his possession, he told me "this doesn't look like 2C-I, it seems to me to be 5-MeO-DiPT." I trusted his judgment without really asking how exactly he'd come to that conclusion, because my experience with him was that he basically always knew what he was talking about and was honest enough to tell me when he didn't, and it turned out he was right.

I don't know how the mix-up occurred, but I'm glad it got cleared up before it got to me. The 8mg doses I measured out after learning what the chemical was were exactly what I wanted them to be, and I would probably not have enjoyed eating 15mg thinking it was 2C-I. The sad part is I might still have thought that 2C-I was what I was eating. Thank heaven for careful dealers.
 
I've encountered mix ups in regards to most of the RC stimulant and "social enhancers/mild entactogens/whatever you wanna call the MDxCathinone's

Mephedrone and 4-floroamphetamine as methylone, Methylone as butylone, Desoxypipradol and MDPV as each other.

but not from online/mail order vendors, only from sketchy stores or people that sold RC's in a low down manner.

but it was never a serious hazard so much as a disappointment/not getting what you wanted.
 
Most people get some sort of mental shutdown when confronted by chemical names (which is the only way of being certain) as so many of the common names are so similar. If a vendor/dealer has no chemistry type understanding, I wouldn't trust them to supply the correct compound
 
fastandbulbous said:
Most people get some sort of mental shutdown when confronted by chemical names (which is the only way of being certain) as so many of the common names are so similar. If a vendor/dealer has no chemistry type understanding, I wouldn't trust them to supply the correct compound
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Unfortunately I don't think there is any practical way of verifying vendor's chemistry knowledge. One could e-mail them complex chemistry questions and see if they can answer them... but honestly, yea right!!!

The only way to ensure absolute safety is to have it tested. More realistically without testing equipment, trying a very small amount in the single mg range is somewhat responsible.

I understand that there is no way to verify what you have without having it tested, I'm just wondering how common it is, and how many people have experienced research chemical mix-ups. I don't think any mix-up as severe as mixing the microgram dose bromo-dragonFLY for the milligram dose 2C-B-FLY has happened before. I just want to know people's experience with RC vendors, and how common it is to get something other than what you purchased. If you have experienced a mix-up, did they simply send you the wrong chemical but it was labeled correctly? Did they send you a different chemical labeled as the one you purchased? How did you verify that it was indeed a different chemical than the one you purchased?

For anyone who has ordered from RC vendors, how has the general quality been?
 
rangrz said:
I've encountered mix ups in regards to most of the RC stimulant and "social enhancers/mild entactogens/whatever you wanna call the MDxCathinone's

Mephedrone and 4-floroamphetamine as methylone, Methylone as butylone, Desoxypipradol and MDPV as each other.

but not from online/mail order vendors, only from sketchy stores or people that sold RC's in a low down manner.

but it was never a serious hazard so much as a disappointment/not getting what you wanted.
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How did you verify that you were given the wrong chemical? Did you for example buy methylone and receive a package that you later realized was labeled butylone? Or did you get a package labeled methylone that turned out to be butylone? If so, how did you verify that it was in fact butylone? For all of these examples you have given me, I'm interested in whether they were labeled incorrectly and how you verified that they were not what you had asked to purchase.

If someone orders say 2C-E and receives a package of 2C-I that is correctly labelled as 2C-I, that is not much cause for concern as long as the chemical is properly labeled. I'm still interested in how often they send the wrong chemical, but I am more interested in when vendors send a completely different chemical than the one you ordered, incorrectly labeled as the one you ordered. Here is where the danger truly comes in.

I remember reading Shambles account of two different batches of MDPV. One batch was tan and more euphoric, the other was white and was not as recreational. I can only think that these were chemically similar probably, but not the same chemical. It seems like there is some uncertainty out in the RC world.

I think keeping detailed accounts of everyone's experiences with having mislabeled or incorrect research chemicals, or just general uncertainty about what they got sent to them can be very valuable to gain an understanding of the risks and how often these mistakes occur.

Thanks for your input!
 
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As a teenager I received 5-MeO-aMT labeled in alternative nomenclature as "O-Dimethylserotonin" after ordering DPT. Thankfully I recognized the name from research on Erowid and emailed the vendor about the mix-up. They replied by saying that they would send the DPT, and that the 5-MeO-aMT "is on us ;)" All I could think was "fuck you and your insipid emoticon!" If I was some random kid that just assumed an alternative name to DPT was "O-Dimethylserotonin" or didn't bother reading, my friends and I could have snorted 50 mg before freaking out until we died terrifying deaths.

That was when I knew for sure that RC dealers are often just random kids with deadly stupid ambitions. They print off a list of customer orders and sometimes they give the order from one line down to the customer from one line up, never thinking that there are simple methodological ways to prevent such misperceptions that could save lives. There is no way to determine what you have received without proper tests, as the same compound can vary widely in consistency and color and smell. You may have heard of chemicals described in certain identifiable ways but it doesn't necessarily mean anything. Marquis tests are a small investment that can help you narrow it down. The compounds are typically of high quality, but the retailers often aren't.
 
I verified the contents after a) noting the product varied from usual or b) because I try each new purchase with a MG range dose and then in a few incriments and noticed different subjective effectives. at which point I would obtain a HPLC or GCMS assay by abusing my access to an egghead with a proper laboratory and comparison standards against known substances.

Probably not a viable option for most people, but if you have it, why not...

armed with proof, I would then proceed to tweak balls and go obtain my purchase amount as a refund and administer a boot, black, general purpose to their backside.
 
a friend has ordered 2c-d which has the same consistency and smell as methylone. we routinely test every rc with marquis (highly recommended!) before tasting it and the supposed 2c-d came up yellow (just like methylone and unlike 2c-d). further tests at low dosages will be made to confirm that he did not receive something completely unexpected. i guess it isn't such a huge problem as methylone dosages are well above those for 2c-d, but it shows that getting mislabeled (in this case every substance from that shop had a indecipherable code that said nothing about the identity of the substance) chemicals isn't that rare a thing.

i can highly recommend getting some sort of colour reagent. it isn't a sure way to identify a chemical, but it can give a rough idea of what it could be that you have received.
 
I received 2C-I today. It is has a slight yellow tinge. I'm wondering can 2C-I turn slightly yellow when it starts to degrade?

I received 4-HO-MiPT that was slightly grey in the same package. I've heard it turns grey when it starts to degrade. Considering the 4-HO-MiPT shows signs of slight degradation, it would make sense if the 2C-I showed signs of slight degradation as well, al though I've heard phenethylamines are a lot more stable than tryptamines. It was stuck en route for a little while due to the holidays which may have contributed to possible degradation.

So I just need to know if 2C-I can turn yellow after a while and if I should freeze it.

I put the 4-HO-MiPT in the freezer but not the 2C-I cuz I've heard phenethylamines are stable. Should I freeze it considering it has a very slight yellow tinge?

Thanks everyone
 
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Shambles said:
2C-I shouldn't degrade at all. Certainly not in your lifetime. I'd suspect a less than perfect product, to be honest. Freezing won't hurt but I'm sure that leaving it around at room temperature doesn't hurt either.
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It has a barely noticeable yellow tinge, so if it's slight impurity from the synth IMO that certainly is better than the possibility of it degrading further! I'll start with a low dose see how it goes.
 
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