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Mirror - "Dad killed by 'morphine-like' drug bought over the internet" (AH-7921)

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Mirror - "Dad killed by 'morphine-like' drug bought over the internet" (AH-7921)

A computer technician died after taking lethal doses of a legal morphine-like drug he had bought freely over the internet.

Jason Nock, 41, from Birmingham, had almost five times the usual fatal quantity of synthetic drug AH-7921 in his system when his body was discovered by partner Lea Maninang at their home in Cradley, Heath.

The tragedy has led shocked Black Country coroner Robin Balmain to vow to approach the Home Office asking whether the substance should be outlawed, the Birmingham Mail reports.

Miss Maninang, who had a daughter, Jemima, now aged one, with Mr Nock, told an inquest at Dudley Coroner's Court: “He ordered it from the internet and they delivered it. I just found out about him taking these drugs when I moved in with him [in 2012].

“Just lately before he died he was saying it helped with his sleeping.”

She revealed that Mr Nock, her partner of seven years, had struggled with insomnia, but added he was not addicted to the drug.

“Sometimes he took it, sometimes he didn’t,” Miss Maninang told the court.

Mr Nock was pronounced dead at Russells Hall Hospital on August 17 last year.

Dr Sixto Batitang, consultant pathologist at the hospital said an overdose of the drug, not presently controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act, had killed Mr Nock. Tests showed he had 4.46mg per litre of blood in his system, almost five times more than the usual fatal dose of between 0.81 and 0.99mg.

Dr Batitang said AH7921 was similar to morphine in its action and potency. “The possibility of toxicity from this drug is really very high,” he added.

Concluding that death was accidental, Mr Balmain said: “This is tragic. It seems to me the problem with drugs that are not prescribed by a doctor and obtained through a pharmacist is that you don’t know what they are and, perhaps more importantly, you don’t know how many to take and how regularly to take them before problems occur.

“I also propose to write to the Home Office about this case. I’m aware that obtaining drugs other than via prescription is very easy these days.

"It’s possible to obtain all sorts of substances via the internet. Even though it’s a big problem, I think it’s necessary that people like me do draw to the attention of the Home Office what the problems are, to see if anything can be done. Consideration might be given to making it illegal which it isn’t at the moment.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jason-nock-inquest-dad-killed-3003634
 
It had to happen sooner or later really. I'm kinda surprised it hasn't already, frankly. Opies are just very easy to accidentally kill yourself with if you don't know what a "safe" dose is. I'm somewhat surprised there is a known lethal dose for this stuff - was it previously researched as a potential medication? Anybody know why it was put to one side and left for vendors to rediscover?

Also, what do the blood concentration levels actually mean? Is it possible to work out what kinda amount he must have taken to have that much in his system? Simple arithmetic suggests (to me at least) he had around ~23mg or so in his blood at the time of death but that's obviously nowhere near a lethal dose - anybody know how these things are actually worked out?
 
Was initially developed by pharma company, so would have undergone some testing. Left to the side because there's so, so, so many opioid painkillers, if there's nothing special about it, no reason to pursue it. Interesting to RC vendors 'cause it's not banned or an obvious analogue of anything, and also being slightly less potent than morphine, I guess they thought it would be relatively difficult to OD on (which it is, compared to something like the fentanyl analogues that kill loads whenever they surface).

Is it possible to work out what kinda amount he must have taken
My understanding of the principle of conservation of information is that the laws of physics state that, theoretically, this must be possible. Whether anyone actually can, idk, I can't.
 
To make matters worse I doubt this is picked up by the standard drug tests they run when you're brought to the er for a suspected od.
 
My understanding of the principle of conservation of information is that the laws of physics state that, theoretically, this must be possible. Whether anyone actually can, idk, I can't.

Hehe. Yes. I was thinking of it in similar way to how you see drunk drivers blood alcohol levels reported as "Equivalent to a bottle of whisky" or whatever. I'm sure it must be possible.

I guess the lack of ongoing development by pharma makes sense given how variable user reports have been of this stuff in terms of dose, duration and effects. There does seem to be enormous variation from what I've read. Never bothered to try it myself cos - as you said - there's plenty opies around already and this one just didn't seem very interesting or special to me.
 
In the UK, we have, what, codeine/DHC, tramadol, pethidine, propoxyphene, if they still script it, diconal, methadone, morphine, diamorphine, fentanyl, perhaps others I'm forgetting. And just think how that pales in comparison to what they get in the States. We've sort of got opioid painkillers sorted. Now, a slimming antidepressant that made my back less and my head more hairy and made my willy bigger and harder, that would be worth investigating.
 
not me. I've just come round

That wasn't meant in bad taste, I really had just come round and saw this, then saw his name was Nock! I'm only 40 and I'm an unemployed computer technician from Edinburgh. I'm also far more handsome.

Also like Shambles I'm a bit surprised by "Tests showed he had 4.46mg per litre of blood in his system, almost five times more than the usual fatal dose of between 0.81 and 0.99mg." I've plugged 200mg (= 40mg/ml at 100% BOA) and read of people injecting 50mg (= 10mg/ml)
 
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To make matters worse I doubt this is picked up by the standard drug tests they run when you're brought to the er for a suspected od.

i can confirm it doesnt show up on the standard 5 panel test for opiates, benzos, cocaine, amphetamine, and i forget the other class of drugs. I wonder if pressure will be applied for this substance to be banned now, now that millions of Mirror readers are suddenly aware you can get opiates over the internet without a subscription, which lots of them probably wont have known before. No one outside of these drugs geek forums has heard of it, even hardcore drug users. It wont be too hard to find a source by typing the name of the subtsance into a search engine. I dont even want to post what i was gonna say next incase it really tempts fate, so i wont.
 
not me. I've just come round

That wasn't meant in bad taste, I really had just come round and saw this, then saw his name was Nock! I'm only 40 and I'm an unemployed computer technician from Edinburgh. I'm also far more handsome.

he looked like the last person on earth youd think would be using opiates. This internet marketplace has completely busted the stereotypes and revolutionised everything.
 
i cant say im gonna miss it too much, as i havent ordered any for a good 12 months, if not much longer than that, but simillar to what you said about PV its kind of good to know these things are available even if you're not necessarily gonna order them, if that makes any sense.
 
he looked like the last person on earth youd think would be using opiates. This internet marketplace has completely busted the stereotypes and revolutionised everything.

Typical opiate user:

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god he is handsome.

Mind you he just drinks poppy pod tea.
 
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Perhaps we could work out some kinda timeshare arrangement, Knock. Or at the very least we could create one of those comedy gold pix where the hairy person drapes said flowing locks across the more follicly challenged person's shiny parts. Or even their head.
 
i can confirm it doesnt show up on the standard 5 panel test for opiates, benzos, cocaine, amphetamine, and i forget the other class of drugs. I wonder if pressure will be applied for this substance to be banned now, now that millions of Mirror readers are suddenly aware you can get opiates over the internet without a subscription, which lots of them probably wont have known before. No one outside of these drugs geek forums has heard of it, even hardcore drug users. It wont be too hard to find a source by typing the name of the subtsance into a search engine. I dont even want to post what i was gonna say next incase it really tempts fate, so i wont.
I can confirm that it doesn't show on the standard tests the er runs in my country, don't know about the UK. Once I took too much diclazepam (didn't account for the long half life + long half life metabolites) + ah-7921, didn't wake up normally, ambulance was called, woke up before it arrived, they still took me to the er and ran their tests, discharge papers said benzo overdose. So I'd say the ah-7921 wasn't detected. Don't even know why I took the ah-7921 in the first place, I don't even like opiates, and this one is only really good for pain, nausea caused by psys and keeping your pupils normal while on drugs that expand them.
 
It's not structurally related to morphine, no reason it would show up, they're analysing what chemicals you've got going on, not what receptors are getting a good seeing-to. Drug testing talk is sort of frowned upon by the powers that be, but the 5th class of drugs would be PCP or cannabis, depending on the test, I think.
 
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