Minimizing IV morphine w/d's

[firahs75]

Hi All,

After being clean for 18 days from a 6 year run, I relapsed and have been using for the past 10 days or so. I have access to morphine ampoules and I am currently taking 30mg shots two times per day, spaced 8 hours apart. So a total of 60mg per day IV. I previously used for 6 years (started on hydros and oxys) including 2.5 years on subs. For the last two months or so of my six year run, I had been taking about 50mg of heroin dissolved in 30mg of morphine IV approximately 4 to 5 times a day.

I went back to my home country to rehab and the docs gave me bupe for 4 days and after about the 6th or 7th day clean, I was really starting to feel markedly better. By the time I got back to my current adopted home, I had approx 18 days clean, feeling about 80-85% and actually free for the first time in years. But alas, where I live, morphine amps are very easy to obtain and the temptation proved to be too much, so here I am again, albeit at a much lower level of use than before.

The woman I love and her family have sworn to have nothing more to do with me if I ever use again, and this has helped me to keep the habit in check, as I do not dare bring any morph or paraphernalia home, which necessitates an inconvenient trip into town by taxi where I can get what I need and take my shot in a public restroom and return home.

So now to my question: I so regret going down this road again and want to be free. At my current level of use, I already am dependent again and start to feel discomfort upon awakening and 6-7 hours after my morning dose. Do you think if I quit now the w/d's will be very bad or long-lasting at this point?

If I go into full-blown w/d again, my live-in girlfriend and her family will know that I relapsed as I am basically non-functional and unable to eat. Unfortunately, I do not have access to bupe, but I do have access to plenty of Tramadol 100mg and Codeine 30/500. Some people swear by Tramadol as a detox tool and I believe some studies have shown that it can be nearly as effective as bupe.

Assuming Trams will work for me, do you think I could use them to get through the worst of the 60mg IV per day morph w/d and thus not arouse any suspicion? I would prefer not to use the codeine if possible as a CWE would be necessary and I would have to do it on the down low (hidden), making it a big hassle.

For my current level of usage, what would be a good starting dose for the Tramadol? I was thinking I would start the Tramadol regimen in the morning in lieu of my morning shot and go from there. And also, I have plenty of access to benzos, clonidine, and immodium. The thing is, I need to be functional enough to work, eat, and socialize so as to not arouse any suspicion.

Feedback would be much appreciated and many thanks!

 

[firahs75]

Is there anyone who can weigh in on this? Can the trams be used like subs for a rapid detox for my current level of usage?

 

[Toz]

I don't know the conversion rate for tramadol - morphine and I am too lazy to look it up, google it. But I think 60mg of morphine should be replaceable with tramadol. The easiest thing would be just to try. Just remember not to take the tramadol more than a few weeks else you will probably get SNRI withdrawal on top of opiate withdrawal, which will suck.

I would probably try trams at your level of usage before I tried subs.

edit: looked up wikipedia for equianalgesic dosages, says 3.33mg IV morphine equeals 100mg tramadol, which is a load of bullshit in my oppinion. I still think you should try and see if it works, it might not replace it entirely but 400mg tramadol should definitely put a dent in those withdrawals.

 

[Groundhogdayagain]

I have never utilized tramadol as a tool to detox. I will leave that aspect up to those who have.
You had indicated that you have loperamide, clonidine and benzos. Given your habit, I think you can certainly detox comfortably with the lope, clonidine and benzos. In my experience, when I have had a weak habit, benzos and lope worked wonders. When my habit was bad I would add kratom to the mix (always seemed to stimulate my appetite and energy level). Just keep in mind that you don't want to stay on anything too long for risk of developing addiction or dependence to benzos or kratom.
I recently lost the best woman I ever had under similar circumstances and I must tell you it sucks. Please don't repeat my mistakes. Take care of business. I wish you the best of luck.

 

[firahs75]

Thanks for the responses. I will give it a try and give an update here on how it went.

 

[teological]

Or you could do what I do for a very, very, extremely, comfortable withdrawal. I will be so comforting and easy that you may even relapse after losing respect for the strength of WDs.

Say you dose your opiates on Monday, two times that day, can you act normal on Tuesday without taking any? If you can, you will win.

Monday= Take you usual doses to get high.
Tuesday= Try to act normal, you should be in minor withdrawal, do not dose and use benzos to sleep.
Wed=You will wake up in FULLBLOWN WD. Have your normal dose ready. Take your normal dose to get high again....
Thur= Another day off, minor withdrawal.
Fri= You will find that the WD are much weaker than they were on WED. If you need to, take half your dose you usually take.
Sat= Off again.
Sun= Withdrawal should be so minor, that you will laugh at it.

Also, Tramadol will not work for a tolerance of your size. You are IVing, no way....it wont work.

 

[firahs75]

FYI, am on the third day of withdrawal from my 60mg a day (2 x 30mg shots spaced 7-8 hours apart) iv morphine habit. As I previously said, I had been clean for about 2.5 weeks off a six year run before relapsing and using iv morphine daily for three weeks (with a gram of diesel in the mix).

On the first morning without my shot (by then it had been about 18 hours since my last dose) I woke up feeling incredibly shitty. I took .15 clonidine, 200 mg of tramadol, and 50mg promethazine (since many have reported that trams cause a lot of nausea). While I was by no means feeling 100%, it did put a big dent in the w/d's. Normally, I would have been curled up in a writhing, sweaty, ball of agony with intermittent trips to the toilet. Instead, I just felt lethargic and a bit off (nothing compared to full-blown w/d).

Day two I took: .15 clonidine, 100mg Tramadol, and 7-8 IM shots of 100mg ketamine throughout the day. I found the K to be pretty helpful as it made me slip away into oblivion for 15 or 20 mins and then left me with an afterglow and mitigated of w/d symptoms for a little while after.

Day Three: 100mg Tramadol, 3 morning IM shots 100 mg K. Afternoon, parachuted and plugged a small amount of methamp. Still sweating but at least I am not feeling the soul crushing mind-fuck depression and lethargy. I feel ok and have the motivation and energy to do stuff. Tomorrow, I will try maybe 50mg tram and small doses of oral or plugged methamp. I do have plenty of benzos on hand.

So, on the first day, trams (with clonidine, proemthazine, and valium) were effective for me in reducing w/d at my level of usage, although I did use other substances after the first day that also put a huge dent in the w/d's. Still I think if I only had trams I could do it, but it would still be kinda shitty although no where near as bad as having nothing.

Now my question is: how long after acute morphine withdrawal ends (lets say after 8 days or so) can I take ONE shot and not feel w/d when I come down?

After 18 days clean, I tried the heroin helper method of using during one 8 hour period every 72 hours. So I basically took 2 shots 6 hours apart but felt pretty shitty the whole next day. I couldn't believe it.

I am so done with having a habit but I really would like to chip once in a while (I know, I know, that's what everyone says). Assuming I could successfully chip, at what point (how much time after acute w/d) could I take one 30 mg shot of M without experiencing any physical w/d symptoms after coming down?

 

[firahs75]

After I decided to UTSE, It seems that the general consensus is that two weeks after acute withdrawal, you can use once and not feel any withdrawal, even if you hada heavy habit. Any one else have any personal experience they can share regarding this?