Opioids Mild physical dependancy on Oxy, need some advise please...

[tokenname]

go back to the old dealer.
taper down 5mg every week..

stock up on loperamide and some gatorade.
remember to eat.
keep this simple.

oxy w/d is one of the easiest IME..
at least it's much shorter.
a week to 10 days tops if you decide to skip the taper
and go cold turkey.
you'll be fine..as long as you stick to a plan.
good luck.

also: it's an opiate..
so yes, of course, it comes with mood lifting properties.
whether that was the original intent
with this drug or not..(it wasn't.)

 

[chrisalt]

208 views and no replies.. i think i know why. Your lying to yourself.. your in the process of becoming an addict as you typed those words. You cant use oxy as anti depressant, for the pain yes but depression no.. that is called denial. Denial you enjoy the "pleasant/happier" outlook on life.

If your serious about all this, and not wanting to be an "addict" or go to the streets again go to your doc tell them every thing and say that you dont want to taper with another drug and they will help you. Keep in mind though if you do it will be on your record. It will say you grab ur shit on the streets and self medicate. Docs think they are gods and hate this. It will be 1000000 times harder in the future to get meds you actually need if you fess up.

With that little of a habit id just soldier it out for 5-7 days and you will be back to normal. 10 days from your last pill you will be laughing because it will be over. This is what i would do. You will feel crappy but dont risk getting caught buying drugs or getting a drug seeker label put on your docs records.

 

[Freek12]

Well i think the OP knows what to do and what not, but what are your thoughts about using an opiate for something like depression in case you tried all SSRI's and related without success? I just know that there are many people outside there who get treated ongoing with all the possible anti depressants and still keep feeling like shit every day again months even years in a row then a very small amount of opiate can work a miracle for somebody with a depression who wont react to any known AD.

A certain situation can be going on in people what's called an endorphine defiency and when you know that endorphines are the opiate like substances a mammal system should in theory produce at adequate levels, but for some people their bodyown opiate production does not or barely happen resulting in ongoing feelings of depression who will not react to any known AD.

An endorphine defiency can happen i dont have to deliver any sources for that, but i also think its reasonable to suggest that people with an endorphine defiency will suffer feelings of depression and since this little theory is somewhere in literature i wanted to prove for myself that some people can benefit from a certain opiate dose, but without causing addiction in those people.

I know two people who got every known AD written for them without success so one day i visited the first man with my 'anti depressant' in the form of 5 mg codeine and guess what he said only half an hour later he literally stated 'damn it Freek i start to feel better what the fuck did you give me one of your damned drugs maybe' he asked so i said yes a little to inform him furtheron resulting in a short chat with his prescribing doctor to get 10 fucking mg's of codeine a day and to the present day he is free of depression by taking twice daily 5 mg codeine.

I thought yesss obviously and proceeded to visit the second man to also give him 5 mg codeine anxiously waiting until he would mention relief, it didn't happen though so i thought WTF, but didn't deliver more codeine for the reason that i suspected a CYP 2D6 lack of those enzymes who are as far as i know responsible for converting about 10% of codeine into morphine so this didn't happen in a large enough extent to cause relief of depression so goodbye codeine and welcome methadone in a 1 mg amount. Well i could repeat the words from above with the difference that it took an hour and a half before this man reported depression relief, but damn it how on earth could i leave somebody with that 1 mg methadone a day and i discussed this with him in order to find a solution and that one came in the form of this subject being able to buy 5 mg methadone pills of which he takes a quarter daily so that's 1.25 mg methadone a day an dby now we are more then four years further and depression stayed away for both guys using a different, but tiny amount of opiate.

The little bit of opiate can cover for an endo deficiency, because endorphines are made in extremely small amounts who mainly are not felt, except in case of being a runner of distances or exercising a good cardio as far as that goes that can up the amount of endo's to a level where this can be felt also called 'the runner's high' as it exists. When i had to do time they once brought a professional bicyclist in and he was addicted to his own endorphines something the jail dealt extremely well with by allowing this pro biker to use such a hometrainer until he was comfortable and it worked for the time it lasted.

Anyway regardless of all i said above you can not and never say that per definition people who dont react on the known AD's have an endorphine defiency this can only be tested, but like said already no doctor will write an opiate for depression and certainly not in my own country the NL, but i do know about a US friend of mine who does get low dose oxy from his doctor for the reason of depression and he gets twice 10 mg a day, but he is also an addict so it was not long before he needed more opiate, but his doc said no so currently i believe he buys his somewhere i dont need to know. So far. Edited and space is used i would like some opinions here.

 

[Freek12]

Nobody who likes to comment on the subject of an endorphine defiency? It exists and is a known reason for methadone substitution, but for people who started to use opiates at some point this mainly happens out of curiosity wanting to try this opiate, because people who dont know that an endorphine defiency exists, or exists in them as far as that goes, then these people would require an opiate to feel normal, but if you may have an endo defiency then stopping your opiate will not lead to feeling better also not after say being a year without opiate then depression will likely rule without a chance that a regular AD will work.

Another issue i would like some comment about that is that trough a PET scan they figured out that methadone does not occupy about 25% of available receptors, literally they said that 21-32% of receptors stay unoccupied, but i dont believe this theory one bit, because methadone is a full agonist so why would a full agonist have a preference for almost all receptors instead of every single one? Buprenorphine is a partial agonist, but that doesn't mean that bupe occupies a part of receptors it means that a partial agonist is less potent then a full agonist, but if you have an opiate habit aside of bupe then never take this stuff it will throw you into a hell of precipitated withdrawal you wont forget fast.

Any thoughts opinions critic or whatever about the above? Thanks in advance.

 

[jammy_wankz]

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I've been to 90-120mg of oxycodone a day, after using it for a year. I started off at 10mg, then a year later, it was 90-120mg.

All I can say is that even at 40mg a day, quitting is going to suck, no matter if you taper down or cold turkey it, cause after you're clean, you'll still be thinking about those pills, and managing life without conveniently popping them anymore is going to be tough. It takes months to get those thoughts out of your head. I'd use kratom to satisfy your cravings, its legal, cheap, and available online.

Honestly, I don't know how determined you are to kick the habit, but its easier said than done. If you happen to move up to 60mg a day, then go look up an addiction counseling center near you and get suboxone! Forget the family doctor. I couldn't fucking get the discipline to taper down! When you got four 30mg oxy's in your hand, its hard to only take just enough to feel normal until you run out, cause you'll be begging for the oxy high so bad.

Even when you take suboxone, you need to wait until you are in withdrawl. So you'll be experiencing it to a slight degree at some point.

If I could do it over again, I'd taper down using half my oxy dose every time I felt early withdrawal, and I'd force myself to eat that withdrawal until it got to the "really bad state", those of you who've felt a 100mg+ withdrawal know what I mean, once full blown withdrawal kicks in, you can't move out of bed cause the restless leg syndrome makes it feel like worms are eating your muscles, your back will be in so much pain without even using it, and the DEPRESSION, OH the depression makes you think its the end of the world and you'll be clawing at your scalp to pull it out of your head. After I run out of oxy, I'd switch to using kratom for a while to satisfying the cravings for the next 2-3 months. I wish I knew more about Kratom back then so I didn't have to go through all of that.

It just seems that if you can withstand withdrawal head-on for as long as you can, then popping some oxy to cool down the symptoms, the quicker you will kick the dependency. Suffering through withdrawal kinda gives you "credit", it brings down your daily tolerance levels.

I'm just speaking from experience, I ate shit cold turkey when I had to quit cause my dealer got busted. I was on my way to buy some more from my usual dealer in a parking lot, and when I pulled in, there were undercover police arresting another buyer and my dealer, I was shitting a brick cause I got lucky that I wasn't there just a minute earlier. I'm talking about unmarked black Suburbans, black Chevy Malibu's, state trooper crown vics, fuck.

How in the fuck are oxy's still being sold? I thought they cracked down on all of that two years ago!!!
Anyways, forget about antidepressants, try using Kratom, plant leafs, which are a mild opioid. Its legal and it will help you stay the fuck out of trouble, cause my ass almost did. The last thing you need to do is to find out how withdrawal feels like when you're in jail for a few hours/days.

 

[simplesugar]

Synthetix sounds like he knows what he's talking about.