Opioids Mild Opiate User tolerance

[Keepitonthelow]

Ok this guy is fairly new to the opiate world. He took his first opiate which was a 7.5/650 hydro/apap this past january. Over the following months until may he used the rest of those 7.5s which totaled around 20 of them over 5 months. From them on he took 1 Perk 10/325 on a thursday May 8th and took another perk that following saturday. Around 1 weeks later which was a friday, may 16th he took 4 Hydro 10/325 over the course of a night. 2 starting with, then 1 more 3 hours later and another 2 hours after the last one. The next friday which would be around the 23rd the guy took one hydro 10/325 in the morning and then took 3 more that night dosed accordingly(to sustain a great high) over time. He was clean for the following week and a half or two weeks around the 29th of may and received some MS Contin 30mg. He took 1 on that thursday night and another on the saturday night. The guy left town on a vacation for a week and didn't get back until the 12th of June. On Monday the 16th, he took 5 hydro 10/325 over the course of the night. Thursday June 26th he took 3 perk 10/325s, saturday june 28th he took 1 MS Contin 30mg, and SUnday June 30th he took 20mg of Perks. He is also getting his wisdom teeth pulled this week and will most likely get some goods as well. But he is going to take them when he needs to for pain. He noticed that today, sunday, the 20mg of perks didn't make him feel as high as he used too with just 20mg. Could it be because he has already built a small tolerance or is it because he had taken so many (for him) the past few days. If he goes dry for a month, which isn't hard at all will he be able to feel 20mg of perks like he used to?


for those who want it broken down. He has taken this over time. January to May 1st, 20 7.5 hydro once every 2 weeks or twice for a week and then none for a month. May8th 1 10mg perk; may ~10th 10mg perk; May 16th 4 hydro 10mg; May 23rd 5 hydro 10s, May 30th 1 30mg ms contain; june 1st 30mg ms contain; June 16th 5 hydro 10mg; June 26th 30mg perk; june 28th 35 mg ms contin; june 30th 20mg of perks.


Would there be any thoughts as to how long to spread my use to stay at almost no tolerance? I can be alright with that I am a little addicted you might say to the feeling but not extremely. I can do without it if I wanted to and I have except the passed few days because of my wisdom teeth hurting some and they gave me a reason or excuse to.

 

[dirzted]

First off, please just edit the "SWIM's" out of your post, it offers you no legal protection and it just makes it kinda hard to read-thanks!

Secondly, ya it seems you may have built a slight tolerance but nothing a short break wouldn't fix (2 weeks).

"How to use without getting addicted/tolerant" are very pointless questions unless you are an extremely lucky person that can maintain a moderate usage of the drug without becoming addicted, so all i will say is to watch yourself and to know you are messing around with VERY powerful stuff.

Otherwise have fun with it while you have a low tolerance, cuz that'll change realllllll fast.

 

[Lorne???]

Waiting a couple of weeks in between will keep you're tolerance from getting any higher, but I think what people fail to realize is that you're only "opioid naive" until you're not. Once you use a few times in any short peridod(even if it's just getting high several times in one month, and then waiting several more) you're no longer opioid naive, and won't get that glow you get from popping a couple Percy's like you did the first time.

It's like the first few times you smoke weed as a teenager; it is a truly epic experience, yet once you have any experience with it, it never feels that way again, no matter how long you wait to smoke again.

And please, edit out the "SWIM" from you're post. Not only is is stupid, but IT IS NOT ALLOWED. I repeat, THERE IS NO SWIMMING AT THIS RESORT.

 

[Lorne???]

If people really wanna keep they're "opioid virginity", use a couple times a year, a moderate dose, don't increase. Using even 2 days in a row seems to destroy the naivety, but if you just take 15mg oxy once every 3-6 months, it will always feel like the first time.

Let's not forget that opioids are quit subjective and situational, and it is possible to build a psychological tolerance, where you're just as "buzzed" from 20mg, but simply no longer satisfied as it is not a new experience anymore.

 

[Jesusgreen]

First off, please just edit the "SWIM's" out of your post, it offers you no legal protection and it just makes it kinda hard to read-thanks!

...and it's also against the Bluelight rules. We're not trying to stop you protecting your identity, it's just that SWIM does nothing to do so and won't hold up in a court of law, neither will "my pet monkey" or any of that other rubbish some people use. In simple terms, if you or someone else can look at your post and even take a guess that it's probably you that you're talking about, then you're not doing anything useful in terms of self-incrimination. As a result there's generally not much point in trying, just use "I" - just don't post anything stupid like "hey I sell kilos of crack"

Could it be because he has already built a small tolerance or is it because he had taken so many (for him) the past few days.

Most likely the latter. Opiate tolerance can build fairly fast with frequent short term use but it's also pretty fast to drop. I've had my tolerance to the point I was smoking 25mg of Butyr-Fentanyl at a time to get high (0.5mg is a HIGH dose with no tolerance) and a couple weeks later I was able to nod from 150mg Codeine, which would be like, 0.2mg Butyr-Fentanyl. I tapered down quickly with Buprenorphine and took a few days off.

If he goes dry for a month, which isn't hard at all will he be able to feel 20mg of perks like he used to?

Yes, almost 100% certainly. People underestimate the power of breaks with opiates. Other drugs it's a different story, amphetamine for example, I haven't touched it in quite some time but if I got at it today I'd still be hoovering up huge lines compared to what I did when I first started. Opiates can really go back to those first times if you take a long enough break, the reason it's rarely heard of is most people with low-medium tolerances still find the dosages they need to take low or cheap enough that the tolerance isn't a factor, and by the time their tolerance gets high they're already in a long term daily habit where even stopping for one or two days is a pretty heroic feat to accomplish because of the nasty withdrawals.

If you want all your doses to feel the same strength I'd recommend 1-2 weeks at least between doses. If you dose every single week without fail you'll eventually notice the doses rising regardless, but give it a 2-3 week break and you'll be back down without trouble.

With regards to psychological tolerance, I've observed quite a few people go from opioid naive to heavy habits and over that course of time - including with myself, the factor that made me not satisfied with lower doses even when I did have a low enough tolerance to enjoy them was simply the fact that I'd tried higher ones and got accustomed to that stronger feeling. It's sort of like when someone discovers the needle - the difference in effects is just so huge that despite the damage that's inflicted it becomes pretty imperative to try it out more, and other routes of administration just lack that appeal and shine of IV use.

The same goes for higher doses - if you've always been taking 20mg of Oxycodone and you enjoy the effects, but then you try 40mg and find the effects better than you found the 20mg Oxy to be originally, then you'll never enjoy 20mg Oxy 100% as much as before because you'll always subconsciously compare it to how 40mg was - and always remember that 40mg was slightly better.

As a result, if you *really* don't want to up the doses, then don't make any exceptions, if you find your normal dose isn't doing it for you 100%, then you need to take a break and try again, don't up the dose in any circumstances, and you'll never need to - but if you do up it, you'll probably find yourself always going for that new dose more often than not.

 

[frozenfridge]

No such thing as an occasional opiate user quit while your ahead I went into it with the same attitude an still fucked up an tollerence skyrockets extremely quickly

 

[TheLostBoys]

If you're taking opiates for pain, you can sustain low dasages for years on end but if you're using them to just get high, you have no option but to increase the dosage over time.

You can keep your tolerance down if you only use once a month & the high will be great but your mind will eventually trick you to try it twice a month & before you know it, you're doing it once a week......this of course depends on how much you crave & like opiates. My sister hates the feeling/high she got from opiates trying them a few times & quit using them for ever.

If you are a person that loves the feeling/high of opiates, you will have a hard time getting high just once a month.

 

[plutoniumboss]

Yes, there IS such a thing as an occasional recreational opioid user. Sorry about what happened to you, but not everyone is the same. Some people, like myself, are essentially immune to the effects of heroin. And no it wasn't garbage, my ex-wife was fucked up off a tiny little bump. I ended up IV'ing the rest of the bag to no effect, other than a pissed off female.