that is the current news floating about, his doctor gave him a potent shot of demerol and his breathing shallowed then stopped.
http://www.tmz.com
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Too many doses
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Does TMZ even count as a source?
monstanoodle
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I was thinking the same. It looks a very trashy "news source".
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Right, but they're usually quite accurate. Don't forget who broke the John Edwards affair thing. Of course you really must consider the source. Or more importantly here, I think, the methods the source used. I'm sure that they do things that CNN or the NY Times would never do; I don't think they pay sources, but they go after sources harder, I think, perhaps bargaining. Since I doubt they'll be making things up, we just have to wonder whether their methods of obtaining this information will have resulted in their source making things up. Maybe they do pay them, I'm not sure. Maybe they get the paparazzi off of them for a few days or whatever. I'm sure they don't just ask kindly. Perhaps kindly and constantly.
I have no doubt that this will be confirmed despite my reservations about the source.
It would be great if someone from the harm reduction movement could get a phone interview for their TV show. Assuming this is true, there's really no reason he should have died.
A. The doc should have administered Narcan if he overdosed him.
B. The doc should never have given him demerol long term. It's well known to be cardio and neurotoxic. I don't have a problem with the doctor supplying his drug habit (assuming it wasn't putting the guy's life at risk with unlimited doses and unfettered access, which he may have done), but he should have been making sure he was taking something that wasn't going to be toxic in the long run. Something like Oxycodone or Oxymorphone or whatever would have been perfectly suitable alternatives that, perhaps he wouldn't like quite as much, would have been much safer and quite enjoyable none the less.
I have no doubt that this will be confirmed despite my reservations about the source.
It would be great if someone from the harm reduction movement could get a phone interview for their TV show. Assuming this is true, there's really no reason he should have died.
A. The doc should have administered Narcan if he overdosed him.
B. The doc should never have given him demerol long term. It's well known to be cardio and neurotoxic. I don't have a problem with the doctor supplying his drug habit (assuming it wasn't putting the guy's life at risk with unlimited doses and unfettered access, which he may have done), but he should have been making sure he was taking something that wasn't going to be toxic in the long run. Something like Oxycodone or Oxymorphone or whatever would have been perfectly suitable alternatives that, perhaps he wouldn't like quite as much, would have been much safer and quite enjoyable none the less.
http://www.popeater.com/music/artic...article/did-drugs-kill-michael-jackson/545060
Are Drugs to Blame for Jackson's Death?
PopEater
posted: 2 HOURS 16 MINUTES AGO
As the world continues to try to grasp and make sense of the incredibly shocking death of Michael Jackson, several people close to the family and investigation are hinting that prescription drugs may have played a role in the King of Pop's demise.
TMZ is reporting that a Jackson family members have confirmed that Michael received a shot of Demerol just before Noon on Thursday, and that the dosage was "too much." They say Jackson typically recieved a shot of Demerol daily.
Britain's The Sun, citing sources at the UCLA hospital where Jackson was treated, is reporting that Jackson stopped breathing shortly after a shot of Demerol, a drug similar to morphine. "Shortly after taking the Demerol he started to experience slow shallow breathing. His breathing gradually got slower and slower until it stopped," the Sun source said.
"His staff started mouth-to-mouth and an ambulance was called which got there in eight minutes. But paramedics found he was in full respiratory arrest, no breathing and no pulse. They started full CPR and rushed him to hospital," the source continues.
Brian Oxman, the Jackson Family spokesman and former lawyer for Michael, told CNN in an interview on Thursday night that "I can only tell you that this is something that was not unexpected." Oxman went on to say that "the medications which Michael was under, this family has been trying for months and months and months to take care of Michael Jackson."
Oxman went on to compare the Jackson situation to that of the late Anna Nicole Smith. "The people who have surrounded him have been enabling him. If you think the case of Anna Nicole Smith was an abuse, it's nothing in comparison to what we have seen taking place in Michael Jackson's life," Oxman told CNN.
Jackson's friend Liza Minelli seemed to hint at the same during a Friday morning interview on CBS' 'The Early Show,' during which she said: "When the autopsy comes, all hell's going to break loose, so thank God we're celebrating him now."
Jackson's friend Uri Geller says he thinks it was the pressure of Michael's upcoming 50+ concert tour that put added weight on the King of Pop. "He was in good shape ... I'm not a doctor, but I can only assume he was under immense stresses and pressures, and you can ask any doctor, stress is a killer. The pressure of these concerts, putting under huge pressures, he was a perfectionist. That could have been what did it. But that's just my opinion," Geller told UsMagazine.com.
The official cause of Jackson's death won't be known until an autopsy has been completed. As of now, cardiac arrest is being blamed for his death.
Are Drugs to Blame for Jackson's Death?
PopEater
posted: 2 HOURS 16 MINUTES AGO
As the world continues to try to grasp and make sense of the incredibly shocking death of Michael Jackson, several people close to the family and investigation are hinting that prescription drugs may have played a role in the King of Pop's demise.
TMZ is reporting that a Jackson family members have confirmed that Michael received a shot of Demerol just before Noon on Thursday, and that the dosage was "too much." They say Jackson typically recieved a shot of Demerol daily.
Britain's The Sun, citing sources at the UCLA hospital where Jackson was treated, is reporting that Jackson stopped breathing shortly after a shot of Demerol, a drug similar to morphine. "Shortly after taking the Demerol he started to experience slow shallow breathing. His breathing gradually got slower and slower until it stopped," the Sun source said.
"His staff started mouth-to-mouth and an ambulance was called which got there in eight minutes. But paramedics found he was in full respiratory arrest, no breathing and no pulse. They started full CPR and rushed him to hospital," the source continues.
Brian Oxman, the Jackson Family spokesman and former lawyer for Michael, told CNN in an interview on Thursday night that "I can only tell you that this is something that was not unexpected." Oxman went on to say that "the medications which Michael was under, this family has been trying for months and months and months to take care of Michael Jackson."
Oxman went on to compare the Jackson situation to that of the late Anna Nicole Smith. "The people who have surrounded him have been enabling him. If you think the case of Anna Nicole Smith was an abuse, it's nothing in comparison to what we have seen taking place in Michael Jackson's life," Oxman told CNN.
Jackson's friend Liza Minelli seemed to hint at the same during a Friday morning interview on CBS' 'The Early Show,' during which she said: "When the autopsy comes, all hell's going to break loose, so thank God we're celebrating him now."
Jackson's friend Uri Geller says he thinks it was the pressure of Michael's upcoming 50+ concert tour that put added weight on the King of Pop. "He was in good shape ... I'm not a doctor, but I can only assume he was under immense stresses and pressures, and you can ask any doctor, stress is a killer. The pressure of these concerts, putting under huge pressures, he was a perfectionist. That could have been what did it. But that's just my opinion," Geller told UsMagazine.com.
The official cause of Jackson's death won't be known until an autopsy has been completed. As of now, cardiac arrest is being blamed for his death.
I can't believe they didn't have narcan around... that or they did and he was so doped up on other shit it didn't matter when they gave it to him =\
If they didn't have it around at the house they medics should have had it in the ambulance... Something good may come from this in the form of increasing narcan availability, he could become the new 'face' for why users should have access. (I'm using 'face' very lightly......)
ok well it may be too soon, but I'll be the asshole that gets the ball rollin. 'hey on the bright side after all the surgery his body contained a high enough concentration of recyclable plastic to allow him to be melted down into LEGOs, giving little kids a chance to play with HIS little bits for a change'
(oh, and TMZ may be HUGE fuckin pricks, but they arn't liars)
If they didn't have it around at the house they medics should have had it in the ambulance... Something good may come from this in the form of increasing narcan availability, he could become the new 'face' for why users should have access. (I'm using 'face' very lightly......)
ok well it may be too soon, but I'll be the asshole that gets the ball rollin. 'hey on the bright side after all the surgery his body contained a high enough concentration of recyclable plastic to allow him to be melted down into LEGOs, giving little kids a chance to play with HIS little bits for a change'
(oh, and TMZ may be HUGE fuckin pricks, but they arn't liars)
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Meejay
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I thought that TMZ correspondent was just trying to talk me up when he told me how big his prick was now I find its true.
Sigh!
AfterGlow
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One of the stories on tmz.com says...
" There was evidence of Lidocaine -- an old-school drug that can be used to treat disturbances in the heart's rhythm. "
Perhaps it was narcan?
" There was evidence of Lidocaine -- an old-school drug that can be used to treat disturbances in the heart's rhythm. "
Perhaps it was narcan?
QuasiStoned
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If it really were something as simple as an opiate overdose and this doctor didn't have any on hand (or was too stupid to use it) then that doctor is a fucking idiot.
QuasiStoned
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According to TMZ, the medics that arrived wanted to pronounce him dead when they arrived, but his personal doctor wanted to continue CPR and get him to the hospital.
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lol yeah i can just imagine that doctor freaking out trying to perform CPR on his lifeless body because he knows that he is responsible for his medications and making sure he doesnt die. If the medication is what killed him then this dr. is going to get fucked.. And also if it is an opiate OD then this will be just one more pharma. opioid OD and further amplify the opiophobia of doctors and people alike.
implicitprodigy
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I said the same thing when I heard about it "I bet it was opioids". Michael jackson once wrote a song about morphine, and the content went to the tune of something like this "oh god, oh god hes taking demerol " or something close to that in 1997. He's been on it for a while. they confiscated demerol and syringes from his house during the child molestation trial. Oh and by the way you would be surprised to know how reliable tmz is. They break almost 90% of celbrity/political/media news. Much more quickly and accurate than NBC, MSNBC, CNN, FOX
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If he was injected with a large dose of lidocaine (why?) that would probably be a relatively good explanation for cardiac arrest, since it has similar cardiotoxic systematic effects to cocaine.
It may have gone something like this: the meperidine caused an unexpected cardiac arrythmia/palpitations so the doctor administered lidocaine to halt them. The lidocaine may have been too high a dosage or MJ was sensitive to it, and increased the respiratory depression of meperidine or simply caused cardiac arrest by blocking voltage gated sodium channels. Even if the naloxone was administered, it wouldn't have blocked the toxicity of lidocaine, which is difficult to reverse.
Meperidine is hardly used anymore, too (due to its toxicity).
It may have gone something like this: the meperidine caused an unexpected cardiac arrythmia/palpitations so the doctor administered lidocaine to halt them. The lidocaine may have been too high a dosage or MJ was sensitive to it, and increased the respiratory depression of meperidine or simply caused cardiac arrest by blocking voltage gated sodium channels. Even if the naloxone was administered, it wouldn't have blocked the toxicity of lidocaine, which is difficult to reverse.
Meperidine is hardly used anymore, too (due to its toxicity).