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MGTOW

MGTOW is insane. Indefensibly so.

But it and other movements like it are--in my opinion, to some extent--a product of the fact that an irreligious society has been so far unable to accept the inevitable risk of loss that comes with being alive and doing anything. There are plenty of statistics and studies out there that show that most people are in fact faithful (according to anonymous surveys and backed up by circumstantial data), kind, and not seeking financial gain from romance. This is little comfort to anyone who has been abused. Individuals exist, averages do not. Religions make up stories and offer spiritual rewards and salvation in the next life/lives to console these people. These stories are mystical and unjustified because the losses themselves are unjustified. Life is unjustified, arbitrary, capricious and unfair. The only life in which you don't risk anything is the one where you agree to lose everything up-front.
 
Sounds like they're not worth paying attention to like incels:

Incel
Incels are self-identifying members of an online subculture who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, a state they describe as inceldom. Self-identified incels are mostly white, male, and heterosexual. Discussions in incel forums are often characterized by resentment, misanthropy, self-pity, self-loathing, misogyny, racism, a sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against sexually active people. The Southern Poverty Law Center described the subculture as "part of the online male supremacist ecosystem" that is a member of their, and self-described incels have committed at least four mass murders in North America. In total, forty-five people have been killed in five events since 2014 by people who may be considered incels.
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Either way, I want nothing to do with those people and real men think they're pathetic.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
Finally managed to spend some time with the only person I know & can call a real friend, his the same guy I was moaning about a few weeks ago that has hooked up with this woman via some weird dating app. I've not seen him for over two months & we used to be together all the time (we had each others back in this gear world, if I was sick he would help me & vice versa. When I got paid or he got his monthly wage we would smoke crack till the early AM & drink K cider while breaking down Brexit & other English political events etc, he was my best mate & the only person I like to spend time with)

Anyway I saw him yesterday afternoon driving past, he blew the horn & I waved but he drove on so I was like "Well fuck it, his got that pussy now so what do his mates matter huh?" it turned out he was dropping this woman off at work & rang me the second she was out the car & asked me if I wanna go burn a few rocks & get some gear for afters......cause I fucking do man!!!!!

Anyway after scoring & getting back to his flat we began to chat as we had a lot to catch up on, turns out his lost his goddamn mind, his now posing for Instagram photos with all these filters on that give HIM a dog nose / bunny ears etc & the one he looked like some K-pop homosexual fuck boy with his arm around this woman all smiles, I felt a slight bit sick tbh. His so in "love" with her & all the stuff he said he would never do before he got with her has gone right out the window, his so "pussy whipped" right now it is actually quite a disturbing sight, I showed him the MGTOW site but he wasn't impressed as I think he kinda knew what I was getting at. His given up his flat to move in with this female that his known for 9 weeks so NOW she holds the cards, they are getting a joint bank account, going on holiday etc etc...........I just rolled my eyes & held the heroin smoke in deeper as he talked (Thank God for opiates is all I can say)

She has his bank card at times & all kinds of weird stuff, it truly is like his joined some weird cult. What makes men loose their minds when they get sith someone like he has is truly beyond me, I'd not trust a woman 100% ever & I tried to tell him this, she is a human & in my experience of life 99.9% of humanity sucks, I told him when it all blows up in his face I have a sofa for him to sleep on, he just laughed. I'm counting down the time till I get the "Can I crash at yours for a few days please?" call.
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LOL! Your mate is being a total dumb dumb. She's holding his card and they're getting a joint bank account? That's not even something you'd rush into while married. Ah well, the writing is on the wall.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
Sounds like they're not worth paying attention to like incels:

Incel
Incels are self-identifying members of an online subculture who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, a state they describe as inceldom. Self-identified incels are mostly white, male, and heterosexual. Discussions in incel forums are often characterized by resentment, misanthropy, self-pity, self-loathing, misogyny, racism, a sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against sexually active people. The Southern Poverty Law Center described the subculture as "part of the online male supremacist ecosystem" that is a member of their, and self-described incels have committed at least four mass murders in North America. In total, forty-five people have been killed in five events since 2014 by people who may be considered incels.
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Either way, I want nothing to do with those people and real men think they're pathetic.
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One could argue that the people responsible for those 5 incidents in 5 years are such a minority compared to the whole lot that it would not make sense that they are somehow representative of an average incel.

It could also be argued that many mass murderers probably have something about their personalities that made them incels for reasons far more extreme compared to the average of incels, and that makes them not suitable to be representatives of that group.

I would be curious to know if it is pussy deprivation that causes many incels to be unpleasant people, or if it is their being unpleasant in the first place that causes the pussy deprivation.
I'm inclined to go for the latter.
 
Phobos said:
One could argue that the people responsible for those 5 incidents in 5 years are such a minority compared to the whole lot that it would not make sense that they are somehow representative of an average incel.

It could also be argued that many mass murderers probably have something about their personalities that made them incels for reasons far more extreme compared to the average of incels, and that makes them not suitable to be representatives of that group.

I would be curious to know if it is pussy deprivation that causes many incels to be unpleasant people, or if it is their being unpleasant in the first place that causes the pussy deprivation.
I'm inclined to go for the latter.
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You make good points. I have no idea what caused them to turn out that way. It's probably due to many factors we could analyze forever.
The whole thing is sickening.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
You make good points. I have no idea what caused them to turn out that way. It's probably due to many factors we could analyze forever.
The whole thing is sickening.
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I could produce walls of text on this probably, but think I can simplify my views on this subject with a question: "How many incels would keep posting hateful shit if they were suddenly considered amazing men and would get hit on all the time by very attractive women begging them to have NSA sex or marry them if they so choose?"

One thing that I would mention is that it is only relatively recently that men have to face the fact that women will openly admit to have had sex before, that sexual performance is known to be an acceptable topic of discussion, that sexual requests from a female are perfectly reasonable and acceptable, and that basically they have to accept the fact that their dick, sexual stamina and skill will be measured and compared.
This is especially a problem because their fathers did not have to deal with this and cannot/won't provide any advice, leaving only porn actors on steroids, stimulants and viagra and whose penis size is in the "extremely large" part of the spectrum as the only easily accessible example of performance.
It's easily understandable that the teenagers with the more fragile personalities could be easily shocked into being nonfunctional in regards to find a partner.
 
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Is there a WGTOW? Why not a women going their own way? Men going there own way, women going there own way... Nothing wrong with that. I think what MGTOW actually is tho is retarded.
 
@Phobos you raise a valid question. I have to add to that that most narcistic assholes I've met had no problem getting their socks off, so I'd argue that being a decent human being is regardless of lack of sex or abundance of it, and that you can go too far on either spectrum. What Ive noticed is the dude's who satisfy their insecure ego through relationships, and the dude's who create an identity out of their lack of relationships (thus strengthening the ego by finding a group to persecute) are one in the same. MGTOW person reading me, no I am not arguing all your points about female 'priviledge' are wrong, we all have seen this stuff, I'm arguing that the same point could be made about stupid and violent men (a large demographic) yet your just picking whatever goes with your agenda, forgetting that being born a woman makes you the target of unwanted attention always (including from incel sickos who view women as comodities at best) and a lot of other stuff that MGTOW is not honest enough to mention cause it goes against the hating women agenda...In any case what all losers have in common is living life through the lens of ego, where everything is either a gain to the ego, or an attack on it...and life and precious time is spent on the petty and sick persuit of ego gratification
 
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atara said:
MGTOW is insane. Indefensibly so.
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Not from their point of view.

CoastTwoCoast said:
Incels are self-identifying members of an online subculture who define themselves as unable to find a romantic or sexual partner despite desiring one, a state they describe as inceldom. Self-identified incels are mostly white, male, and heterosexual. Discussions in incel forums are often characterized by resentment, misanthropy, self-pity, self-loathing, misogyny, racism, a sense of entitlement to sex, and the endorsement of violence against sexually active people. The Southern Poverty Law Center described the subculture as "part of the online male supremacist ecosystem" that is a member of their, and self-described incels have committed at least four mass murders in North America. In total, forty-five people have been killed in five events since 2014 by people who may be considered incels.
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Sounds an overly dramatised, one eyed and partisan description to me. Perhaps the 'Southern poverty law center' is rather focused on feathering its own nest of ideology and given up any pretense of objectivity.

CoastTwoCoast said:
Either way, I want nothing to do with those people and real men think they're pathetic.
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Real Men.

A term used by insecure weak men and/or unscrupulously manipulative individuals.

Phobos said:
I would be curious to know if it is pussy deprivation that causes many incels to be unpleasant people, or if it is their being unpleasant in the first place that causes the pussy deprivation.
I'm inclined to go for the latter.
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Incel is a bit of a misnomer I think, because sex as a service is cheap and readily available.

Are they unpleasant? They do seem unhappy or at least discontent.

Maybe its the negative tension between the sexes that seems to exist in our society these days that drives the growth of this alienated group.

And what about the other side of the equation? There must be a similar number of women who aren't able to find a partner. Are they any less miserable?
 
^ The other side of the equation? I can only speak for myself. I choose to be celibate and not deal with dating at this point. Been there, done that with relationships and the whole thing. It's not worth it to me in the end. I'm very happy about being celibate.

I don't know about women who can't find a partner or if they're miserable. As far as I can tell, women aren't the ones getting together making hate groups online which spill over into real life with violence and shootings just because they don't have a partner.
 
LordFran said:
forgetting that being born a woman makes you the target of unwanted attention always (including from incel sickos who view women as comodities at best) and a lot of other stuff that MGTOW is not honest enough to mention
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In my view, our present day society sorely lacks clear courtship rituals. That baby went out with the bathwater by the end of the 1960's and had been eroding since the 1920's (roughly?).

Clear courtship rituals help both sexes navigate & insulate the chaotic tension of the approacher/approached dynamic. So much so, people scoff at asking a father for permission before a marriage proposal, as being old fashioned!

Chaperones and curfews? Those are going to cramp your style, especially if your name if erroll flynn or marilyn munroe.

However, I'm not sure that disrupting the reproductive systems of 50% of the population with daily doses of hormones; and a side dish of abortions, was actually an improvement.

Reputation and social proof? Earning and maintaining those are going to encroach on a persons netfix & chill time.

Tinder and photo filters sounds easier.

Its a pox on us all, according to this barn dwelling Luddite anyway.
 
CoastTwoCoast said:
I can only speak for myself. I choose to be celibate and not deal with dating at this point. Been there, done that with relationships and the whole thing. It's not worth it to me in the end. I'm very happy about being celibate.
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I'm very sorry to hear that man, hope you find the right person one day.
 
morpher001 said:
I'm very sorry to hear that man, hope you find the right person one day.
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Thank you, but it's quite fine. :) I don't feel like I'm missing anything. I feel more whole now actually. If the right guy happens to come along in the future, then great. Not worried about it.

w01fg4ng said:
Elliot Rodger: How misogynist killer became 'incel hero'

I'm sure his youtube videos are easily found on youtube, even if his account is no longer there.

His views are shared by those who believe life owes them something for one reason or another usually having to do with privilege that they are already benefiting from. It's the spoiled brat to the Nth degree syndrome.
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"The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!"

'We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys!' HAHA I haven't looked into the definition of a Chad, but I'm guessing it's the type of guy who can actually get laid.

That's fucked up what happened and proves online misogynist hate groups like that are really bad news. It's basically brainwashing. When they get together, they just confirm one another's warped and distorted beliefs. They need to turn the internet off and walk away.

I see they call the misogynist groups the "manosphere" in the article which includes MGTOW.

So this incel Elliot was clearly not bad looking and was the kid of a Hollywood filmmaker. Basically, he had it made. He must've been a total vomit of a human being for girls not to show any interest at all.
He should've had women all over him. Wtf.
 
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