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Stimulants Methylphenidate facts my psych never told me.

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davids

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Some of you may remember me from past years posts when i was hopped up all day on MPD IR tabs, caffeine, nicotine, and posted with great vigour. I was introduced to addiction by a psychiatrist who diagnosed me with adult ADHD at age 31 in 2004 (i had never had a problem with drugs till then). i wish he hadn't.

I still take Methylphenidate in the form of the brand Ciba SR20 tabs, at 10x the original 2004 starting dose of MPD 10mg IR 2x daily, just to function, i wish he had told me 3 well known MPD FACTS.

1. MPD addictive nature has been common knowledge for decades.
2. The bureau of narcotics and dangerous drugs placed MPD under hard narcotic controls in 1971-due to it's addictive nature.
3. Sweden banned MPD outright in 1968-due to wide spread abuse.

Ritalin shares a more similar MOA to Cocaine than the pharm companies care to admit.

Ritalin can help thoes who truely need it-in controlled doses, but can also prime the brain to neuronal unnatural stimulation-leading to addictive substance seeking behaviours, especially IR formulations as they act quickly and are short lasting:\


I never drug seeked until i was treated with MPD.
 
i don't doubt the validity of the 3 facts that you posted about methylphenidate. i remember it was a really "hot topic" in the late-nineties or so when i was starting college- kids were abusing their ritalin, it was almost identical to cocaine, it was addictive, and so on.

as far as your singular experience, while i'm sorry you experienced those effects, i don't think it really proves anything. for every one person w/ a story like that, there are probably thousands of stories about people who take it normally and have their add/adhd treated effectively, without seeking drugs or having to increase their dosage exponentially.

here's one: i've been on ritalin since 1993, 10mg 3x daily. i'm still on 10 mg 3x daily. ritalin never caused me to engage in drug-seeking behavior or anything else really. it helps my add. i've also been prescribed adderall ir 10mg x3 daily. i find it helps as well, and it did not change my mindset towards the more addictive or anything.

i understand that there are valid concerns about these drugs, and they are not right for everyone, but i really believe that they can in many instances help people who actually need them, don't abuse them, and don't start taking way more than prescribed.

EDIT: just to clarify, i don't take both adderall and ritalin at the same time. i just mean i've been prescribed both at various times.
 
I agree quite frankly with the OP.

I had no drug problems as far as compulsion goes till i was given a months treatment of Ritalin 60, 10mg tabs. i found them to have a very short term 'sweet spot' of effectiveness and a feeling of needing to redose every couple of hours, suffice to say they didn't last a month.

I can easily see and have knowledge of it's addictive potential.
 
What a surprise, nods agrees with davids. 8)

So odd that neither of you post for several months then suddenly you both do within an hour of each other. Does MPD stand for methylphenidate or multiple personality disorder?
 
Ironic name David, but yeah I think that ritalin/focalin, especially when blown, are even more addictive than coke. The scary thing is that they last like seven hrs so it probably does more cardiovascular damage than cocaine.

I can't have them around me or I will literally blow them all until they're gone, all the while feeling as if I'm going to have a stroke or heart attack at any given second then STILL doing more.

Stay away if you don't have add, ask for concerta if you do and take it as little as possible without caffeine.
 
As long as you keep your daily dose stable and less than 60mg, you shouldn't worry. The fact that one feels better on some medication can just indicate that it works (At least this is my experience with mph). What I strongly discourage is becoming paranoid about ritalin just because some group of people have scheduled it.
 
today or tomorrow i will start my ritalin experience, i think for what i saw in internet that is the most "speedy" legal drug here in Brasil, i took anphepramone one month ago, it was nothing compared to good farmacy "speeds" like desoxin, preludin or even dinintel (clobenzorex), hope ritalin is more like these ones!

i will have to be carefull, i am compulsory for "speed", i will start in 10 or 20mg, my fear is life of it and need to redose, also if it gives a clean speed, not that anphepramone bulshit: ansiety, bad mood, short time efect.

Lets see, mybe i will open a thread about my ritalin experience.

One more thing: i will snort it, i found a site who explains a simple way to make from ritalin pills pure methylfenidate hcl, can i post here or in other post links to that site? or its against forum rules?
 
As long as you keep your daily dose stable and less than 60mg, you shouldn't worry. The fact that one feels better on some medication can just indicate that it works (At least this is my experience with mph). What I strongly discourage is becoming paranoid about ritalin just because some group of people have scheduled it.
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i agree. it definitely CAN become a big problem for some, but it can also be very helpful to others who have add/adhd and don't abuse it. i'm sure plenty of people on here have experiences that fall into both categories.
 
I have read in the PI sheet that Ritalin has a 30% (11-51 %) oral absorbtion rate. I don't do needles, 100% bio, and colon bio=~90%, and have just plugged my last 2, 20mg sr cibas.

people above have stated of using the PDR max of 60mgs daily and having no issues. I am legally, medically, DR scripted over2x that dose.

I smoked pot once at 17yo-thats my drug use history.

6 years of Methylphendate use/misuse was a poor medical decision, i think MPD is (in adults) a clean street drug.

I was even given medical speed (D-amp) for a short while.

I always thought i had an anxiety issue, until a psych sold me of adult ADHD.
 
methylphenidate or amphetamines (adderall, dex, etc., aka "legal speed") are pretty much what they prescribe for add/adhd. stratera (sp?) is a non-stim/amph alternative, but i haven't really heard that it's very effective from anyone who was prescribed.

Vyvanse (i think that's the one) has an enzyme attached to the d-amp so that it has to metabolize some first, which might be beneficial in cutting down on the abuse of the drugs, but effective treatment options for add/adhd, whether in adults or children, are pretty limited.
 
"but effective treatment options for add/adhd, whether in adults or children, are pretty limited"

lets face it-you don't have to be told by a psych with 7 years of post med schooling, that taking Ritalin will "help" one doesn't need Add/HD issues to get a boost from Ritalin, thats why it has street value.

It has helped and hurt me. Some folk think it's a wonder med-some think it's over perscribed.

I pick up weekly, and am being changed to Concerta.
 
i know people w/out add/adhd get recreational effects, and it helps a lot of them concentrate better, study harder, work more efficiently as well.

in the statement you quoted though, what i meant is that for people who actually have add/adhd, the treatment options for their prescribing physicians are very limited. if you want to treat someone w/ add/adhd medicinally, the only really viable option is to prescribe stimulants or amphetamines. stratera is an exception, but most people i know have not found it to be as helpful or effective. i actually agree that rit/add are way overprescribed, and i also agree that they have great abuse potential. i'm just saying that for someone who really has add/adhd, there are not really many other medicinal treatment options that work, and for many, the potential dangers/harms are outweighed by the benefits. i also think that there exists a portion of the population who really suffer from adhd that can use them responsibly and not fall into some sort of addiction spiral.
 
Any drug that allows some unfortunate individuals to live their life to a normal standard is bound to be addictive; I had a friend who was a complete ADHD mess at school, literally bouncing off the fucking walls day in, day out, he eventually got a Ritalin script and become incredibly successful. I can see where this would cause a psychological addiction; my life improves when I take the MPD *insert re-dose* Blah blah.....

I've seen both the pros and cons of the drug in my time, my friend became successful when taking it as prescribed, I quickly gained an addiction when blowing through line after line recreationally - coincidence? I think not.
 
^Total respect to your words^

My father keeps my MPD in a safe and gives it to me daily. When i take it as scripted it is VERY effective as an anti-hyperactive treatment-VERY effective.

You speak of smarts and wisdom, thanks:)
 
Let's stablish some terminology here. Is methylphenidate going to be denoted by MPH or MPD? I vote for MPH.
 
CotoCole said:
Não falamos espanhol aqui.
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hehe, nem português, but the page is understandable, just seeing the images people undersatand how to do it.

there is another method, isntead of water is whtih alcohol, faster evaporation, i will try both of them
 
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