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Methylone - used 3 times - Three experiences

Piper methysticum

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“Methylone December 2003-January 2004”


During these two months, I’ve had three experiences with the drug Methylone. My first experience was with 150mgs with a 50mg booster after a few hours. I was with my girlfriend, lets call her X, who took the same dose. I began to feel a slight Phenethylamine type alert after about 15 minutes, and then bam. It seemed as though the euphoria just grabbed me. My heart started beating faster and I just felt good. My vision was getting increasingly “soft and blurry” I remember having a tracklist set on my computer that was composed of some Opeth and Enigma. Then I got on my bed with my girlfriend and stared into her eyes. There was this amazing warmth and connection that ran through me, but it was constant. It wasn’t like the rushing feeling that MDMA produces, and it was far less stimulating. It was almost even relaxing. I started to describe it as being as powerful as an intravenous Opiate, but with a pronounced stimulant effect, and more “strange” euphoria. Me and X started touching and hugging eachother, and our eyes lit up like we were in the middle of passionate sexual intercourse. We began to touch eachother all over, just enjoying the feeling the drug was creating. The idea of sex excited us both enough to go for it, but I can say that I was very content with just the touching. We both got really into sex, but after a while it was hard to “keep going” on my part. I’ve never really had that problem on any drug. However, I’ve never had sex on MDMA either. I imagine it would be even worse. After about three hours, the feeling started to subside, but didn’t seem to come crashing down. It was quite soft. We decided to take a booster dose of 50mgs, and that brought on a different effect for me. Of course it didn’t overwhelm me like the initial dose did, but it brought on more of a stimulation and social willingness. We spent the rest of the time talking. I experienced a VERY mild stimulant come-down, but nothing that was at all really uncomfortable. The next day was fine as well, though I felt a little tired. That could have even been the cold I was coming down with. Overall, this was a very worthwhile, first experiment. Here is a time chart of the duration:


Point of ingestion: 1:00PM.
First alert: 1:15
Coming up: 1:15-1:35
Peak: 1:35-3:00
Booster dose taken: 3:30
Booster in effect until: 5:00


My second experiment was also with my girlfriend. We both took 190mgs, and I took a 50mg booster dose later. It took a slightly longer time to kick in than last time, though I might add that I didn’t eat anything at all the day I took it the first time. I was listening to some trance music in my room, and I had a slight urge to move around and dance a little. Movement felt good. I didn’t peak nearly as hard this time, though the visual softness and such were more pronounced. For some weird reason, X didn’t peak for about an hour and a half to two hours after she took it. I ended up taking a booster dose because I felt a “crash.” Through all of this, though, me and X got really deep into a personal conversation. We were really seeming to get through to some important issues. It was then that I started noticing the therapeutic value of the drug. I had been going through a few day period of depression at the time, and that may have added to it. I came down a little rough this time, and I ended up taking 15mgs of Oxycodone and smoking some Cannabis. That eased it very well. The next day was still not bad. The duration was pretty much the same as the first time.


The last time I’ve used Methylone to date, I took 200mgs and a booster dose of 50mgs after a couple hours. This experience was a good bit different considering I was with a friend, who is a guy, this time. We’ll call him A. He decided he wanted to take 12mgs of 2C-E while I took the Methylone. We were in my room reading some of my poetry and listening to some music for a little while. I felt a slight euphoria from the Methylone, and A was feeling the strangeness of the 2C-E coming on. We decided to go for a walk to a field by my house. From the time we reached the field to the time it took us to walk across it, I felt the Methylone hit me. A was considerably tripping now, though no where near the peak. We were somewhat into conversation. We made it up to a park nearby, and stood in the shelter house. It was there that I peaked. We were really deep into conversation. I was quite a bit more stimulated than before with Methylone. The peak was overwhelming, though in a different way than with my first experience. I felt so good that I was having a hard time concentrating on conversation for a couple minutes. I found my self very empathetic and open, as well as philosophical. Me and A connected with some special synergy between the two substances we were on. Through him, I noticed the MDMA-like qualities that the 2C-Xs can have. There was also a significant time distortion this time. I felt like I had been high for a good few hours, and it had only been an hour. Once we walked back to my house, we sat there for about 15 minutes. Then I took my booster dose, and we headed to Wallmart to just look at stuff. We smoked a joint of high grade Cannabis on the way. I hadn’t smoked in about two weeks, so I was feeling rather trippy. The booster dose hit me just as A started to peak on the 2C-E, and we were in Wallmart. I could barely handle the feelings of euphoria I was feeling. Everything was like a soft, warm, feather pillow to me, and I felt love and empathy towards people. However, A was thinking about the management of Wallmart, thinking deeply about people, and “feeling what they feel,” watching people’s facial expressions and how they dress, etc.. We were about halfway around the store, and A started thinking about society so much that he couldn’t take it anymore. We had to leave, but before we left I stopped to talk to a friend that works there. I somewhat understood what she was saying, but I felt like everything was blurred. A had no clue what she had said. He said it just came out as gibberish. We ended up just driving, listening to music and talking for a few hours after, and then I went home. Overall, Methylone is a great substance, though it is a shame that it doesn’t last an hour or two longer. That is its only down side.
 
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Good stuff Piper!

I got the sense that Methylone might have just as much potential to "lose the magic" as MDMA. Was I reading too much into this?

Did you feel any special connectedness to nature in your time spent outdoors?
 
Thank you for the detailed reports. Very interesting. I am surprised to hear that the booster brought you back up, I thought it just extended the stimulant effect.

bluedolphin - you present an interesting question. I wonder if there would be a loss of magic.

Only time will tell.
 
Not to tell you what to do man, but seriously consider using methylone only a few times a year. I dunno, to me it's up there with the really special ones like MDA, 5-MeO-DMT, 2C-T-7, and LSD. I would think using it often would cause it to lose some of the magic. I guess that's just my personal viewpoint. Nice report.
 
And definitely try it in a place that is, well, not Walmart. Methylone is best when taken outdoors at night (in my opinion.) I will never forget the time I took it in the Painted Desert.
 
In my exploring this chemical I will say that it can "lose the Magic". I was taking Methylone every weekend to see if it would keep me sustained as an antidepressant. At first it worked good, but around the month mark the comedowns started to become harsh and antisocial. As well as my overall feeling becoming rather irritated and the high a glimpse of what it once was. I still think Methylone is a wonderful chemical, but MGS is right, a few times a year max. Work with what you've learned on your trip, work it out, then go back for some more (If need be;) Peace, Spinal

P.S. I'd be intersted in seeing if these is a cross tolarince between MDMA and Methylone. Or the effects of the two combined, I have yet to see any reports on those.
 
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Spinal said:
P.S. I'd be intersted in seeing if these is a cross tolarince between MDMA and Methylone. Or the effects of the two combined, I have yet to see any reports on those.

There is evidence to suggest there would not be a cross tolerance between the two, as MDMA and methylone have different receptor affinities. But only human trials would truly answer this.

There used to be scans of a journal artical on methylone, MDMA, methcathinone, and methamphetamine on a private forum I am a member of, but the link is now broken. I have written an email to see if I can get it and I will post it if I do. There are abstracts at erowid in the methylone section, but not the full articles.

http://www.neurophys.wisc.edu/~cozzi/inhibition by b-ketoamphetamines.pdf

That is one that disucsses this, but as I said I remember a chart and I can't find that one in the Cozzi index.

http://www.neurophys.wisc.edu/~cozzi/publications.html
 
I have heard that the practice of using a booster dose with similar substances often makes the comedown harsher with a more rapid drop off of positive effects. Any thoughts?
 
bluedolphin, I imagine it would have a loss of magic. Any drug like that has the potential. I know the first time I used it was more overwelming than the rest in a sense. I hadn't used MDMA or anything like it for two years up until then though, so it may have just been because of that. As for the outdoors thing, sadly, I did not. Just connection with people and myself.

cascadia, the booster dose brings back the stimulant effect more than anything else, but it does provide a high to it as well. It's probably 1/4th of the initial dose.

morninggloryseed, I think you are right in your suggestion, but I have really never got into the entactogens. It's just not my perfect type of drug. Honestly, I can probably say I am done with those types of drugs all together. They are just not for me. I was at Wallmart after the main part of the experience was over. I guess it was a dumb idea to go there, but I had fun. As for 5-MeO-DMT, I will definitely not abuse it. It will be used properly and only once in a while. I have great respect for those types of psychedelics.

Spinal, interesting reply as well. I experienced the same type of come-down during my second time.

evlove, during my second experiment, I think it did make the come-down harsher. However, the reason I used the booster dose on all occasions is because I was already rapidly losing the positive effects.

Overall, I really enjoy the effects of these substances, but I just really don't think they are for me. At least at the rate I was using them. I agree that I used Methylone way too often. Maybe I will experiment more with entactogens, but I will only do it once in a long while. I just don't get as much out of them as I do Tryptamines, LSD, LSA, and the PEAs.
 
I have tried "booster" dosages with MDA, MDMA, methylone, and possibly MDEA.

I say possibly MDEA because it was a black market pill and did not feel quite the same as the pure, powdered MDMA I usually work with. The effects were not as different as, say, MDA is compared to MDMA. But there were definitely subtle, but noticeable differences. The effects from these pills seemed to be just as MDEA is described in PIHKAL and other trip reports. It was quite similar to MDMA, but it had a "softer feel." It did not produce the same "rushiness" of MDMA, nor did it produce the kind of empathy and sense of being completely content that I associate with MDMA. And there was less sensory enhancement and I don't remember any CEVs which I tend to experience with MDMA. Just wasn't as magical of an experience. Most importantly, the girl I took it said the experience felt the exact same as a previous trip she had with known/verified sample of MDEA. So I am pretty sure it was.

Anyway, my experience with booster dosages of entactogens has been what you said. A lot of excess stimulation and a rougher comedown. I don't feel boosting is worth one extra hour of peak effects at the cost of a much rougher comedown. More than anything, I hate stimulants and boosting seems to enhance the stimulating side of these medicines. I do not like feeling overly stimulated at all, and that is what has happened every time I've taken a booster dosage of an entactogen.

Plus it is just a waste of valuable material in my opinion. I avoid "street drugs" at all costs, and pure MDMA is very rare and difficult for me to obtain. I've never been able to get pure MDA (all three of my MDA trips were with "street pills"), and methylone is just too pricy to waste 50mg to 70mg for only a little extra time, but a lot of extra stimulation. In fact, the only time I've ever felt stimulated with methylone is when I took a booster dosage of 70mg about two hours into a trip with 180mg. I ended up having to take some valium to relax, and that was the only time I've ever felt any kind of discomfort with methylone. Normally, methylone is the easiest synthetic phenethylamine I've ever had on the body and mind. 2C-C is just right behind it.

Members of the entactogen family are the only psychedelics I've tried to use booster dosages with. I've never felt the need or desire to take a booster dosage with a "classic" psychedelic, and doubt I ever will.
 
Piper methysticum said:
I have really never got into the entactogens. It's just not my perfect type of drug...They are just not for me...I just don't get as much out of them as I do Tryptamines, LSD, LSA, and the PEAs.

Before you write them off, try an entactogen with a best friend, significant other, or someone else you are close with in a beautiful place outside at night. Find someplace comfortable, and stay there the whole time. It's been over a year now, and I am still in awe of my methylone trip in the desert during the summer of 2002. There are no words that can do that experience justice, though I did write a report on it.
 
I think I'm going to take you up on that this summer. I was really thinking about this whole post, as I have been noticing that I've been feeling rather withdrawn lately. I've been having mild mood swings, and my memory seems pretty bad. I didn't really realize that I tried Methylone three times in not much more than a month, not to mention 2C-i three times and 2C-E twice since the autumn months. I haven't given myself enough time to soak up everything I got out of the Methylone experiences. As soon as I realized this yesterday, I started talking to my girlfriend about it, and I felt alot better. I think maybe I will just use entactogens three or four times a year at most.

As far as the stimulation stuff, it doesn't bother me. I love stimulants, especially Amphetamine, Methylphenidate, and high quality Cocaine. I don't really use them anymore, but I've used them more in the past. I loved the extra stimulation the booster doses gave me, but I think you're probably right about wasting 50-70mgs just for that.

I just checked Erowid, and they posted my trip report for Methylone.
 
I've hesitated to take methylone until last Saturday evening. Hmm... yeshhh. I had a nice walk in the heavy snow storm that evening. ;) Just felt placid and satisfied, no visuals.

The stuff hit relatively fast and the duration was short, too short.
 
^^^
I agree. It does hit fast, and it doesn't stay long. It's definitley not going to get you visuals. What dose did you take?
 
I guessed someone will ask the dose which surely is an essential thing when exploring these "new" chemicals :)

I took only 125 mg since I want to be cautious with a new stuff for me and especially after that (partly) unpleasent IAP experience which I don't regard as a bad trip but IAP just made me poisoned for a while. Furthermore, before methylone I had taken some alcohol, methylphenidate, hydroxyzine (sedative) and coffee (yeah such a nutty combo :D ), tho I wasn't fucked up at all.

I really liked the feeling when walking in the snow storm. It's difficult to explain it in English... Walking there, feeling warm and comfortable, and thinking: "I like so much the wind, snow, those lights, those houses, those trees, everything I see here... Everything is just beautiful." I'm sure that feeling was mainly due to methylone and effects of Ritalin had almost totally faded away.

Next time going to dose a little more.
 
Cool. It was definitely a wise choice to be careful of the dose. 125mgs may have been a little disappointing for me, had I used that as my dose for a first time. I have used doses in between 150-200mgs, and I will say that I wouldn't go over 200mgs. 200mgs hit me very hard.
 
I find methylone has a bit of a steep dosing curve. At 150mg to 160mg, I don't find the trip all that eventful. Kind of a waste unless I am mixing it with another psychedelic. It was nice with LSD at the 150mg level.

But alone, the methylone magic comes for me at 175mg to 190mg. I usually take 180mg and that's all I need.
 
I took yesterday evening 140 mg of methylone (I may use a scale at the university). I dissolved the powder into juice. The stimulation effects hit relatively fast again. The stimulation is pretty much similar as after drinking good amount of coffee, i.e. feeling a little restless and some tension in the body.

Soon there was some slight tingling and "tightness" on the skin of my head and after that my body turned light and pretty numb. I couldn't stay still but was walking and moving from room to room almost continuously (wondering and enjoying the lightness and numbness of body).

I went for a walk outside where I recognized all over where I looked the impression of extension of space. Went back home where I drank some beer (about 1 hour and 15 mins after the ingestion) and finally I could sit down. Alcohol and methylone boost some effects of each other but it's better to take alcohol only moderately. I also drank coffee which somewhat potentiated the effects. Pot and methylone would probably be a good combo, too. I'm still feeling some after effects of methylone but the feeling is not too bad.

Perhaps the best dose for me is about 150 mg. Yep, this is such an excellent peace and love :) substance which would have been a great success in the hippie era of the late 60's. :D
 
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