Methylone (MDMA-bk) 3rd time 300mg + 200mg booster

[Ekstasis-//7]

Hey,
This was my 3rd time using the M1 (Methylone) or MDMA-bk as I call it. The first 2 times I didn't really get what I would call a full experience out of it. 1st time I took only 100mg just over a year ago. There's a trip report up on that... basically it was a little teaser. I did it at a nightclub with good music but I felt kinda depressed. I did notice some of the empathogenic magic that reminded me of some of my best MDMA trips. Basically dose too low. Strangely was very relaxed and happy almost in a meditative state right after coming down. 2nd trip I did around a month or more ago with 2 friends and we went to a chilled house party. Different product so possibly a little weaker as some others have rumoured. I tried 200mg and friends tried 100mg. I didn't peak although I did feel very depressed and introverted somewhat like the come up on MDMA if I have had a terrible week/month but then did not reach a peak as I would on a good dose of MDMA. I could chat easier and was more open but didn't feel comfortable. After around an hour of these effects I felt an edgy, very impatient feeling. I produced to do a booster of 100 and friends did boosters too. We all were unimpressed and reached nothing close to a MDMA like high. I noticed friends were chatty and edgy at end of the night.

So on to this report, the 3rd time. I decided that I was not happy enough with my last attempt with MDMA-bk and don't want to offer it to friends until I can at least get something significant out of it. I decide to experiment with dosages on my own. I took 300mg alone at home to see if I can reach the high others talked about. My stomach was empty. I feel slight alerts around 10-15mins. Around 20-30min mark I hurriedly fry up some breakfast as I know I'm racing time before my appetite runs away on me. T+30 some slight visual effect that reminds me of MDMA or MDA, sorta very slight fuzzy vision. I manage to throw down my breakfast. I notice a slight jittery feeling. I believe there is some stimulant action already. Around 40 mins I go to the bathroom. I am feeling blasted by now! Just like a real good pill! I cant help but rock my head back when I breath in. It feels so damn relaxing! I'm high as a kite... Off my chops. I'm able to be completely relaxed yet not fall asleep. I can feel my heart beating hard but I am not the least bit anxious. I hang out in my room just relaxing.... I lye on my bed, sit on the floor, and close myself in the closet... it doesn't really matter what I do I just relax and go to mush! I'm completely happy to just sit there, feel good and let my mind do whatever it wants. I'm pretty mashed don't think I'd have the energy to dance or anything if I wanted to.

The spiritual/emotional/entactogen effects are very powerful like on MDMA. Maybe it is stronger, maybe it is different. I'm not sure I just know it's amazing and special just like some of my experiences on MDMA. I feel this really clear and positive, spiritual state. Like I am one with God and can understand his mind. Really blissful. I am able to understand many personal hang-ups and problems in a new, sobering and positive light. I am able to see the answers to my questions.

Oh and did I mention the physical sensations on this? No... well I'm happy to report it seems to have all the touchy, feely goodness of MDMA :D Yep! I tried some of the raver tricks such as going to the bathroom and splashing water all over my face and on my arms... ooooh Yep... defiantly gooooood. :D Can only imagine the fun, craziness a couple would get up to on this

Around 1 hour after the effects kicked in I get a kind of unhappy feeling... As though something is missing. I spend the next little while in dilemma as most everything I think about doing I should or not. I want to do whatever will be easiest and not stressful... yet me thinking this way makes me anxious about nearly everything I think of doing.

I weigh up another 200mg and swallow it. Soon after I notice I am feeling more happy and much of the anxiety is gone. It is more an upbeat energetic feel and not so relaxed. There are no more total relaxed rushes when I breathe in. My heart is racing more than before... I can feel it pounding hard. I never normally notice my heart on a night out munching pills. Maybe 200 is too much for a booster. I feel speedy yet very upbeat and happy. I feel like I have the energy to do anything (would be good for dancing I think). I don't feel the anxious, edgy, worried feeling I that I hate so much about base/crystal meth/coke. I listen to music and end up chatting to a roommate for a long time. After an hour or an hour and a half I have noticed I have been getting more and more emotionally drained. I feel edgy and it is very difficult to relax much. My jaw has been going and I can't keep it still or normal. This is not at all like the comedown I get from just MDMA. I am normally relaxed, feeling good and afterglowing from MDMA. If anything just sleepy and a bit tired out. This MDMA-bk comedown is very similar to pills I've had and tested that contain MDMA & methamphetamine. Very similar sketchy, anxious drawn out comdown that lasts for hours. If I had to choose though I would say that the MDMA-bk + booster comedown is still less harsh than the MDMA & methamphatamine pills I am used to.

My body temp was pretty warm during the trip and then more sensitive to cold that night. (Just like after a big night on pills). I ended up lying in my bead tired but not being able to sleep. I could hear my heard pounding loudly. Again I consider that next time taking a booster for the extra energy to dance or stay happy may not be worth it and could be a strain on the heart. I take a small dose of alprozolam and roughly another 40mins or hour passes. I feel then very hot but also fuzzy and sleepy. I open the window and fall asleep.

Conclusion: I believe 300mg is probably a good dosage for my size (<70kg male) at least of the product I got. Possibly a smaller dose will mean a better comedown but then also a big risk of underdosing and not reaching a peak or high. I think the high from 300mg was roughly equivalent to the intensity of a good MDMA pill say 120-160mg. I am thinking that the booster was probably not such a great idea. I think probably the best way is just to have a relaxed setting only dose once and then just ride it out or take a benzo. It looks as though MDMA-bk has half the duration, takes double the dosage and has much more side effects that it's brother the regular MDMA. At least in my books.

Hope this has been some help.
Ekstasis-//7

 

[Ximot]

In my experience, MDMA-bk has fewer side-effects than MDMA and the effects aren't really comparable. Especially, I find that I can take MDMA-bk fairly often without any complications in everyday life (say, 3-5 times a month), whereas that kind of frequency for actual MDMA would leave me miserable/irritable in the medium-term and not even 5-htp could help me enough. I feel that serotonin depletion is far less with MDMA-bk.

 

[Xorkoth]

I agree with Ximot, absolutely. The immediate comedown from methylone, I find, feels harsher and "lossier" than with MDMA, but the next day, there are very little, if any, noticeable aftereffects. This is in sharp contrast to MDMA, where the 3-5 days afterwards I feel depressed and irritable.

Good report. I find your description of the effects (and sharp drop-off) to be quite accurate.

 

[Ximot]

Yes, the drop-off can be incredibly sharp and dysphoric, and I find that with excessive use (too short a time between experiences) I have to increase dosages and the drop-off comes ever quicker and gets rougher. Topping up I have found to be able to extend the glowing peak somewhat, but when I have taken in excess of 200mg my focus starts going and my mind gets a little sketchy. Also, eventually the drop-off always comes, and the more I have topped up in order to keep it at bay, the more it is nasty. In that way it is not unlike cocaine (and like E, which does turn a bit dark on me when I top up more than once).

When people who do not know much about drugs but are familiar with popular illicit substances ask me what it is like I tend to describe it as a mix between MDMA and cocaine. Although, of course, even if it does combine some properties of both drugs, that description doesn't quite do it justice. It is not a substitute to anything, although it can be used in similar settings for a similar purpose (i.e. social enhancement, even though that is not the only aspect of MDMA-bk at all). I find that when used in solitude, it has some potential for insight that kinda goes when it is used socially... the more of a party-setting I take it in (I really like it for live concerts as well as for making music in conjunction with beer) the fuzzier the experience and the less likely I am to deeply reflect on what I am experiencing and the more I just enjoy, simply enjoy the pleasurable feelings arising from the drug and my interaction with people and/or music.