Methylone - First Time - Sinister, Seductive and a False Psychedelic

[bluedolphin]

9:00pm

My partner and I both ingest 190mg Methylone in a gel cap.

9:15pm

First alerts. Feels like generic amphetamine creeping up.

9:30pm

Amphetamine-like feelings start to give way to more MDMA-like feelings.

10:00pm

Now it's pretty much fully developed. MDMA-like, except with a clearer headspace. My partner says she thinks this is better than MDMA. I tend to agree at this point, but only on the basis that MDMA has pretty much lost its magic for me. We decide it's time to get naked and we fool around in the bedroom for a while. Talking is nice and there is definitely a solid empathogenic quality to this drug.

10:30pm

My heartrate is pretty elevated. The clear-headed mindspace is starting to give way to a more scattered and confused mindspace. Sex is difficult and awkward.

11:00pm

This stuff definitely is starting to feel like shit. Reminds me very much of an E pill cut with amphetamine, because my heart is racing with no sign of chilling out any time soon. There is a definite visual quality to this drug... things look "softer" and shift slowly in my visual field.

12:00pm

Allright, at this point I'm pretty much flashing back to every bad MDMA/Ecstasy comedown I've ever had. I don't take Ecstasy anymore because I basically fried my brain on that garbage. What made me think I could take Methylone? Damn... starting to regret this.

12:30am

Around this time I smoked a bowl. I enjoy smoking on MDMA, I figured this would be similar...

1:00am

Holy shit, I'm tripping. Like +++ tripping. Generic cross between MDA and 2C-B like visuals. The trip itself reminds me of 2C-B, which I consider a very sinister and counter-productive psychedelic. And I can literally feel my neurotransmitters self destructing. Around this time I started resisting the drug quite a bit, in some psychological self-defense mechanism to "cut my losses".

2:00am

This shit hasn't died down a bit. At this point I'm pretty much insane, my body feels like a bad Ecstasy comedown and my mind is just.... tired..... sad.... and also trying to analyze the nature of this weird drug.

3:00am

Not wearing off one bit. What the hell. I am emotionally beat. It's been a looooong time since I've let a drug get the best of me like this. And it's pissing me off. The Methylone has hijacked my brain into a way of thinking that I have tried to put aside a long time ago when I gave up "evil" pseudo-psychedelics like MDMA, MDA, 2C-B. I am not willing to give in to the effects of this drug. I simply won't.

4:00am

I am forced to eat some Xanax (probably about 2-3mg) to chill out and eventually get some sleep.

...................

IMO Methylone is total garbage. If you are looking for a hedonistic good time or you are still enamored and amazed by the effects of MDMA you might like this. If you don't care about murdering your neurotransmitters and rewiring your brain in a messed up way, you might enjoy this.

If you are like me and find 2C-B to be garbage and MDMA to be pretty much useless and shallow, I doubt you will find anything better out of methylone. Personally I really dislike these kinds of drugs, and find them physically and mentally taxing. Methylone was just as bad.

The +++ level visuals I got were an unwelcome surprise. Perhaps smoking pot caused this to happen, because my partner got barely any "psychedelic" effects. However, this is *NOT* a true psychedelic. This is a sinister drug that wears many layers of masks.

I was taken into a "spirit world" which forced me to come face to face with negative thoughts. The drug left me feeling weak in both body and mind. It was a very draining experience and something I will never repeat again.

......

In conclusion, this is the worst drug experience I've had in a very long time.

Fortunately I was able to smoke a bunch of DMT the next day and that seemed to rewire my brain back into a positive mindstate

 

[Mean Girl]

IMO Methylone is total garbage. If you are looking for a hedonistic good time or you are still enamored and amazed by the effects of MDMA you might like this. If you don't care about murdering your neurotransmitters and rewiring your brain in a messed up way, you might enjoy this.

*shakes fist*

ooh, we are going to have to agree to disagree here, i loved methylone and its subtle nature (this may also be due to the fact i always get sick on mdma and do not with methylone, nor have i lost the magic ), and found it to have a significantly less toxic feel to it than... say mdma or ketamine.

still to each their own. better luck next time

(good writing though )

 

[nanobrain]

nah bd, mate, you 'sposed to smoke the DMT while on M1! that sorts the scatteredness right out. ;-)

190 is a big first time hit. 2.5 mg/kg + 40mg boost, ganj and DMT - M1 is lovely. thankfully, its not MDMA. its less taxing, less pushy, and less toxic overall - imnsho.

 

[bluedolphin]

190mg looked like a good target dose to me based on Erowid and BL trip reports and such... plus I tend to (or did when I still took that stuff) need more MDMA than most people for similar effects.

Anyway, I found this to be the most taxing experience I've had since I did like 3 caffeine/MDA/meth rolls last year. Screw Methylone, you guys can have it all for yourselves

 

[nanobrain]

^the damn lab rats clawed through the cages and headed straight for the M1 cache, the self-reinforcing properties took their toll - they were found pacing back and forth across the lab aimlessly with foolish grins, alas the M1 was all but a memory of a few crystals on their twitching whiskers... ;-(

 

[uni bum]

can you please explain why you think its not a true psychedelic

 

[Jamshyd]

I, too, do not think empathogeinc stimulants (as I like to call them) are properly classed "psychedelics."

Thanks a lot for this report, it was my most solid answer to the question of whether or not Methylone produces a "crash" similar to MDMA (keep in mind that I feel like absolute shit for at least a week after). I was originally hesitant about trying it and the more I read about it, the less interested I become.

To me MDMA lost its magic after the first time I took it. I honestly do not need empathogens to share my love with anyone. I tried to chase that body high a handful of times by taking it again over the years, but I always ended up taking Ketamine while high and benzos while coming down. Then I discovered GHB, and that was the end of E .

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Thanks a lot for this report, it was my most solid answer to the question of whether or not Methylone produces a "crash" similar to MDMA (

Well I dont think you have a solid answer. I've had methylone at least a half-dozen times and shared it with close friends, my lover, and even once with my mom. I've never had any kind of a comedown with methylone, and neither did anyone I shared it with.

I would consider BDs reaction to methylone an exception, not a rule.

 

[Splatt]

Wow! BD you're losing it.. going schizo on meyhtlone... JOKING

Seriously though, very interested to find out peoples bad tales about drugs like this. You should see how popular this stuff is in Japan atm, people must be taking ALOT of this chemical over there, wonder who else has found this dark side of Methylone?

 

[theghostofbillhicks]

Aw Bluedolphin.

I think we have very similar tastes.

I also hated the scatty, sudden methylone comedown. I wouldn't do it again.

For me, a true psychedelic heps me to release into unity. The feelings are genuine and don't dissipate as the chemical wears off.

It's funny but for the first hour Methylone feels great. Then that hollow feeling grows and grows and grows.

Thanks for the report.

 

[Jamshyd]

Well I dont think you have a solid answer.

Oh I'm pretty sure I don't, and I will only truly get my answer when I try it.

However, I've been reading more and more about methylone having a crash effect. Like GOBH's post right above this one, for example .

In any case, as disdainful as I am towards empathogens, I actually still find them interesting, and would be looking forward to see which of them is the lesser evil, lol. I somehow have hopes for 4-FA and FLEA - at least on paper.

 

[Skyline_GTR]

I found that the MDMA like qualities are replaced by a physical stimulant type feeling after about 1.5 hours, which is very jittery. Physical activity wasn't a good idea - after having sex during that latter period, I thought I was going to have a heart attack, my heart was racing so fast. But the first 1.5 hours are really good... definitely worth trying once anyway.

 

[psilocybe]

Good report.

I know what it feels like to be forced to surrender to sinister area's - but at the same time being unable to trust the experience (due to the substance at hand) and the end result of fighting is very draining to say the least.

No short/long term negative effects i hope from this experience BD. Perhaps smoking the DMT "brainwashed" you back in the right direction... -you know what i mean-

and I found this interesting Quoted from Morning Glory Seed

I've had methylone at least a half-dozen times and shared it with close friends, my lover, and even once with my mom.

Tripping with family members- let alone your mother? Thats very deep and commendable man. I'm sure you have had great benifits from the non-ordinary states of consciousness you have shared together- kudos.

 

[shibuyanight]

I have insulfated between 350 and 450 mg of Methylone without anywhere near the effects you experienced. I get no visual stimulation at all except some kind of Screen Saver type patterns when I close my eyes. I do not go anywhere as deep into my internal self as I would with MDMA. I stay speedy for hours after the initial 2 hours.

I am not an experienced user of psychidelics so your experience is one to make note of.

 

[Ximot]

In my experience of probably more than a dozen methylone trips over the course of a year, I have to say that mileage does vary with this chemical. One day it can be so intense that it almost matches E in many of its effects (euphoria, etc.). On other days it's merely a tongue-loosener... after-effects vary from a mere unwillingness to fully relax and go to sleep and the subsequent urge-to-get-wasted-on-something-extra, along with the fuzzy next-day feeling that inevitable goes with this ... to ... a fully-fledged comedown the next day, where you wonder how it's possible that you felt so great the day before while on it, the rush a distant memory, unreal (not unlike E). How strong each feeling is depends on teh occasion and many factors I haven't worked out fully. On occasion I could swear it's the best drug there is, but when the dark edges of the drug manifest themselves, I feel that perhaps I don't want to use it too much.

Actually, I agree with bd that there is a sort od 'dark edge' to this - as there is to E. For me, however, M is much easier to use then E, comedowns are generalyl less harsh.

Tow factors I feel make the dark edges worse are drinking alcohol while on it (oh so fun, but then...) and how often I use it. I have now not used it for over four weeks now, because I do not want to completely lose the magic and multiply the dark effects.

Several people in my vicinity have used this material so far, and except for one, they all love the effects. The one who doesn't actually got irritable around peak level, after the come-up. Another said he could relate to this slight aggressive feeling but enjoyed it because the situation he was in seemd to make it appropriate. Everyone else simply enjoyed the experience. Several of these are people with little to no experience in psychedelic drugs or E, and they all rated the drug's ability to make them talkative and euphoric and honest. One person, however, developed a severe frontal headache twice in a row, upon waking the next day, an after-effect which he blames on the M. One more person felt that the physical + mental payback the next were too much. Both people, however, had combined the M experience with alcohol, as I have done on a number of occasions, and those have always been the times when payback would be far worse for me.

I also think that the tail-end speediness, which lasts almost longer than the "high" itself, is one reason for the bothersome effects some people get - whether it be irritation or some dark edge or just not feeling well. On some days, when my general mood is stable, I can cope with this sort of state and ride it for hours, accepting it and deriving some insight from it even. On more fragile days, however, the state becomes almost unbearable, to the point that one thing i think about that bugs me can taint the rest of life into a sour experience. I think this also play a major role in how M treats me differently at different times.

I guess M isn't for everyone!

Oh, and I never actualyl properly "tripped" off methylone. It may be a borderline psy, but not more so than its cousin MDMA. I have had strange thought loops on the comedown before, but those were most likely due to being tired and smoking cannabis at the time.

@bd: did your partner enjoy the experience at all?


peace
ximot

 

[bluedolphin]

Ximot: Hey, yeah, my girl loved the stuff. Although she had to deal with my weird comedown...

Personally I found Methylone + Cannabis to be more "visual" than MDA + Cannabis.

Weird me, I guess

 

[Hypostatize]

BD -

From what I've read, 190mg isn't a huge dose, but do you think you might have enjoyed it more if had taken around 100mg? I'm going to have some in hand within a couple of days, and I'm doing my last minute research. Are you able to compare to something like 2C-I at all?

 

[dogtoy]

190mg may be a lot for some people. I believe there may be some who are extra sensitive to the effects of methylone. Like how some peole who can take 30mg of 2-ct-7 get blown away by 13mg 2-ct-2 and the reverse is also true for some. There could be people out there who can take massive ammounts of MDMA and get minimal effects, while methylone can apparently kick their asses.

Of the 12 or so methylone experiences I've had, I generally found the come down to be saddening and dissapointing (as mdma often is) except that M1 is MUCH shorter than MDMA which makes it worse in a way. Day after I never had a crash always a glow (now w/ MDMA I almost always crash HARD).

The worst day after experience w/ M1 was when i mixed alcohol and M1. I was at a party, drank about 12 beers, smoked a couple bowls, then i went out to my car and downed an adderall XR20 and measured out 200mg methylone and downed that. The night was fun I remember walking around talking to lots of people. Then I woke up on this couch, and I didn't remember most of what happened after I took the methylone plus I felt like someone had knocked me out by hitting me in the back of the head with a pry bar.

I have never had visuals on any MDxx related chemical (except MDA). I have had stronger visuals from amphetamine induced sleep deprivation than I have had on MDMA or methylone.

cheers,
-DT

 

[bingey]

^
once i had some really nice visuals on methylone

like green blobs sitting around and then swirling and moving

really different from other hallucinations because my field of vison was normal except for these weird blobs

 

[sonic]

I enjoyed methylone overall, however I only experienced 4 hours of euphoria/empathy and another 4-5 hours of stimulation. The long period of stimulation might have been because I took a booster dose as soon as I started peaking. I took about 100mg at first and then another 30mg. After the peak the stimulation wasn't overly unpleasant once I got adjusted to it (and I'm the type of person who normally hates stimulants). This stimulation period might have been even more drawn out had I not taken a little xanax powder to knock me out (7-8 hours after dosing). I don't think this drug is any more or less of a psychedelic than MDMA. I plan to try it again soon. Its a nice alternative to MDMA. I think you recover much quicker from methylone but the experience isn't quite as good as MDMA.