Methylone - First Time -'Explosion'- 400mg.

[Coolio]

Sorry Mean Girl! :D

 

[Piper methysticum]

You know what, I emailed one of these sources, and they started asking me questions about Methylone! They don't even know what the fuck they are selling! All they knew was that their supplier told them that less than 200mgs of Methylone was barely felt at all, and that the vials contained 280mgs of Methylone. I don't know about anyone else, but I get very significant effects with 150mgs of Methylone, and 175mgs is a perfect dose for me. I just think marketing a product like this is stupid. It won't be long before this becomes illegal just because of some assholes wanting to provide a "legal" Ecstasy alternative.

 

[dogtoy]

I agree, marketing of any grey or research chemical in single dose form will get it made illegal 100% of the time. I like 180-190mg of methylone, but after going through a gram of it in less than a month a bit ago it'll be while before I go looking for more methylone. My biggest pet peave about MDMA is how short it is, and how bad coming down is. Methylone is even shorter...and doesn't boost anywhere near as well as MDMA does, I can boost MDMA all night and roll hard for 12+ hours, methylone 3 hours, 5 with a booster tops, and come down is still fairly harsh in a depressing sort of "BAM!!! now you're completely down" way. Without as much WOW!! factor as MDMA during the peak.

 

[Coolio]

I dunno I heard MBDB is selling pretty well at convenience stores in Israel, and BZP+TFMPP pills are all the rage in New Zealand. The legislature of those countries don't seem to care yet. Holland has been pretty tolerant of research chemicals being sold openly. You can buy almost any research chem you can think of in single dose vials over in Japan. I think Explosion is going to be voluntarily withdrawn from the market before methylone gets scheduled in Holland or Japan.

 

[dogtoy]

I dunno man, Holland was one of the first countries to outlaw 2-ct-7, and Blue Mystic in holland was one the first (if not the only) mass produced for public consumption pills of 2-ct-7.

 

[enquirewithin]

Sadly the Dutch government has outlawed "Explosion," which is a great pity. It can no longer be bought from Holland.

 

[Splatt]

Great!

 

[crOOk]

AFAIK there are only 180mg vials available. I personally know the dutch supplier, but I still might be wrong...
The ones I had measured out to approximately 182mg.

crOOk

 

[Skyline_GTR]

No, there are (or rather were, before the law changed) 250mg ones available from a Dutch internet smart shop, which I ordered.

 

[djfriendly]

10 bottles of Explosion were emptied. The solution was air-dried and yielded 2.394g of greenish crystals, for an average of 239mg per bottle.

 

[Blowmonkey]

Any reliable sources for this info?

I'd say it was my post he's read, that's reliable enough.

There are vials with varying dosages, that's for sure. There are vials being advertised with varying dosages, that's also for sure. Going off about others peoples experiences, I'd say that 250 mg's and 180 mg's are pretty accurate.

So, there are/were ~180mg and ~250mg vials available.

 

[enquirewithin]

10 bottles of Explosion were emptied. The solution was air-dried and yielded 2.394g of greenish crystals, for an average of 239mg per bottle.

Yes-- this sounds right. I have seen the quantity of around 250 mg (give or take a bit) confirmed many times. Methylone should be white-- the greenish colour is from food dye and colouring.


The EROWID article about 'Explosion' was not very accurate-- it's a shame they did not research it more carefully. I think that the 180 mg vials are mythical-- there was a flyer for something called "Implosion" (never existed, I think) which stated that it contained 180mg of EMM (a probably inactive compound in PIHKAL)-- I also read that it contained ephedrine. "Implosion" was advertising for "Explosion" as you can't advertise for human consumption

 

[Blowmonkey]

The EROWID article about 'Explosion' was not very accurate-- it's a shame they did not research it more carefully.

What are you on about? What should've been researched more carefully? Do you think you could've done a better job? If you've got additional data (speculation aside) you can easily contact them. I've said this before.

edit: And implosion..? What?

 

[enquirewithin]

"What are you on about?" Manners, perhaps.

Do you believe that everything in EROWID is the gospel truth? In fact, do you believe that everything a forum moderator says is gospel truth?

 

[Blowmonkey]

Enquirewithin, consider being more constructive in your replies.

I don't think Erowid is the holy grail, I disagree with them on many aspects. The article hasn't got any flaws in it, I've gone over it about 5 times now, can't spot them.. Can't say there's valuable info missing, there isn't much more to report about the product, except maybe for the dosage, which couldn't be measured in the GC/MS. If you've got some additional data OF VALUE you should be posting that here instead of complaining about the shortcomings in the article. The people on that site are volunteers, ditto for the people who gathered the info for them (I know several), you should be thankful for the time & efforts they've put into creating this. Your replies seem rather disresepctful IMO.

 

[enquirewithin]

Yes, of course, we are all have a debt of gratitude to Erowid; it a invaluable respository of knowledge about drugs. I am personally indebted to them for their efforts and I am sure I will be for years to come. Erowid will provide a record for history of an aspect of human knowledge. (Sometimes I wish they would edit and select more rigorously though...)

The "Explosion" article:

(a) "Implosion" (see picture of flyer) was advertised as for sale, but was really a flyer for "Explosion". Some flyers contained statements about EMM ( I assume to avoid mentioning the real contents). This one actually says its for "Explosion" and was distributed by a smart shop:

"Explosion: ....
170 mg EMM (4,5-dimenthoxy-2-ethoxy amfetamine)..."

Reading comments in forums, people knew all along that it was methylone. I think the Erowid article may be confused by the the "advertising": "Confronted with these findings, the manufacturer began selling the bottles as 180mg methylone." (Erowid) The quantities for EMM (fictional) and Methylone seem to have got mixed up.

As far I have read, it was always said that "Implosion" contained 280mg of methylone, although subjective reports have placed it at between 200mg and 250 mg, as have air drying the contents of vials.

(b) "Methylone Impact" is sold in Japan, but I can't see any evidence for its sales being directly related to those of "Explosion" (I have no personal experience with it)

 

[djfriendly]

10 bottles of Explosion were emptied. The solution was air-dried and yielded 2.394g of greenish crystals, for an average of 239mg per bottle.

As far I have read, it was always said that "Implosion" contained 280mg of methylone, although subjective reports have placed it at between 200mg and 250 mg, as have air drying the contents of vials.

I should have mentioned that the vendor told me these bottles contained 280mg.

Also, the bottles were not rinsed, so one could guess at perhaps an additional 10mg per bottle.

 

[Blowmonkey]

(a) "Implosion" (see picture of flyer) was advertised as for sale, but was really a flyer for "Explosion".

There's an excerpt of a flyer that was going around in the smart shops before mainstream sales really begun (this is in Holland), which you can see at the bottom of the page where it has been quoted. Additional flyers like this one could be of value, so contact them.

Reading comments in forums, people knew all along that it was methylone. I think the Erowid article may be confused by the the "advertising": "Confronted with these findings, the manufacturer began selling the bottles as 180mg methylone.

Wrong. It really happened. The findings I posted here on Bluelight which were posted on several other forums as well were enough data for the manufacturers/smartshops to present this as methylone instead of EMM.

As far I have read, it was always said that "Implosion" contained 280mg of methylone, although subjective reports have placed it at between 200mg and 250 mg, as have air drying the contents of vials.'

Uhm.. You're talking about subjective reports here, but how can you possibly say that 280 mg ISN'T subjective without some hard data? I've personally had different looking vials (colour was off a month later after sales begun), seemingly with varying dosages. Many more people have noticed varying dosages among explosion, so IMO there's no denying in it.

(b) "Methylone Impact" is sold in Japan, but I can't see any evidence for its sales being directly related to those of "Explosion" (I have no personal experience with it)

Not..? Why not? It's rather weird for these products to pop up out of nowhere around the same time, isn't it?

Anyways, I don't see much valuable information in your post. You're just nit-picking the article.

 

[enquirewithin]

120 mg is very inaccurate. "Inpact" is spelled incorrectly.

[edit : stop picking a fight and be constructive - Meanie]

 

[Blowmonkey]

Ow c'mon, that was the opinion of one person, you take it as fact, but it's only presented on the site to account for the variance in dosages, it's not saying that there is 120 mg in the vials, it FELT like that and is a guesstimate, not fact.

And if Inpact is spelled wrong, then what should be the correct spelling? Impact? Is there anything else in the article you take issue with?