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Methylone - Experienced - Seizure and Near Death Experience.

Xtc <3

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Hey everyone, this is my first real attempt at writing one of these reports so be nice :)

I would say that I am fairly experienced with mephedrone/methylone/butylone/mdma having used all of these on numerous occasions in the past (mdma being the compound of choice of course :\), in the fortnight leading up to this event I kinda overdid the meph and meth quite a bit using it on 5 occasions, I believe this could be a huge contributing factor to the events that follow.

But yeah me and my girlfriend decide to go out for the night around the city and hit up the methylone, we agree upon dropping a 300mg bomb at 10:00pm then go walking around the city to enjoy the comeup for a bit and then a 200mg bomb at 12:00pm at which time we had tickets for a house/tech event that would run until 3:00am.

Before dropping the first bomb I feel a little lethargic, not as hyped up as I should have been but oh well what the hell... down the hatch it goes and we set off for a walk to get some menthol tips and gum :D.

By about 10:30 my girlfriend is flying and im starting to come up smoothly yet hard, we sit down for a bit on a bench, exchange some words whilst stretching, breathing heavily through clenched teeth enjoying the atmosphere of the city and the people until we deicde that its time to get some supplies, 10 minutes later and were smoking a menthol tip each with a pack of tasty looking gum in our pockets on our way back to the ampartment as we were both fiending for some loud music.

From about 11:00 - 11:50 we get our groove on whilst we are both peaking to some of our favourite tracks to get us in the mood for the club.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvCdq1rEFz8 Aghhh epic track when your really rushing! 8o.

We leave the apartment and make our way to the event with another menthol tip for the journey and the second 200mg bomb which was swallowed just as we arrived, we queue for a bit and as we finally get inside I feel the second bomb taking effect, rushes of similar intensity to the first and the beloved eye wobbles. Music sounds amazing and the dancefloor is first on the agenda, and remains on the agenda for the next hour and a half. 'Having the best time being off my pickle and feeling the music.'

During this time I took regular breaks from the dancefloor every 20 mins or so where i would drink a glass of water and cool down for 5 mins as it was very hot in there and my face was covered in sweat.

This is where it starts to get grim, we manage to get ourselves right to the front and stay there for about an hour dancing non stop gurning away loving the strobe lights, eye wiggles and dirty house music, all of a sudden I had a strange feeling where it would appear as though my vision was lapsing and I was porting to random locations, this would make me lose my balance and panick for a moment until I found my footing and re-synced my visual field.

After stopping for a bit and feeling normal once again I continued on dancing thinking nothing of it, but then within a minute it happened again only much more violently and I was unable to control myself, a constant feeling of porting around the place ( I believe the strobe lights were mostly to blame for this effect as they were on constantly at the time this happened).

I couldnt keep on my feet much longer and panicked as my body began to spasm violently, I stumbled foward and slumped onto my girlfriend in desperation who turned around and supported me which im glad she did as I was about to hit the deck and and have a full on seizure (or so it felt).

After about a minute the spasm's stop and im able to escape outside for some fresh air, still feeling very much shocked about what had just happened, I calm down and we decide to leave and head back to the apartment for some rest.

By the time we get in I have calmed down a lot and am just thankful nothing more serious happened, we check around on the web for a bit about seizures on methylone, epilepsy and other related topics with no conclusive results. So instead we throw on some music and skin up a joint for the comedown.

But then when lying in bed it hit me... an undeniable feeling that I was dying, I tried reasoning with myself that I wasnt and that I would be alright but that wasnt cutting it, my very essence was fading away, the most overwhelming emotional pain struck me, like nothing I had ever felt before. I felt so selfish to be dying there and then, all the people I would leave behind, all the pain it would cause them, it felt so dark and horrible I cant even begin to describe, my soul screamed out in anguish, all the time while this was happening I remember just staring at my girlfriend thinking that the nicest thing I could do now just before death was to remain looking happy and normal so that she wouldnt think I died in any pain even though the pain I felt was unbearable.

As deaths embrace grew stronger I began to realise that this was it, my final memory, the last visual input I was to experience. A snapshot of my girlfriend sitting there on the bed with me which I dont think I'll ever forget, I felt so much love, she looked so beautiful... this was it... the end.

Or not as it seems, she shook me and asked if I was alright, I sat upright and the feeling began to retreat, In that moment I realised that I wasnt dying, I burst into tears and started to cry like I had never cried before, gasping and sobbing wildly. I was overcome by the most incredible sense of joy and most powerful euphoria I have ever felt, just from knowing that I was still alive, that I had been given a second chance, however I was feeling this great euphoria simutaneously with the great pain and anguish. It was a mix of emotion too intense for any combination of words to do it justice.

I continued to cry for about 4 hours until I finally fell asleep at about 7:00am, when I awoke the next day I felt reborn, although was also on an EPIC comedown, probably the worst I have ever had to endure, even surpassing some of my BZP comedowns urrrghhh.

Its been 4 days since then and I'm only just starting to feel normal again having been lethargic and depressed all that time. I have been debating whether to see a doctor or not about the seizure and whetehr its safe for me to go out clubbing again. Although I still intend to go again this weekend, will just be taking it easy and wont be dabbling with meth/meph/butylone for quite a while. Speed on the other hand tho is a different story :P.

What do you guys think? Should I go and see my doctor about this?

What is the most likely cause for the spasm's?

Dehydration, overheating, the strobe lights, the drugs?

All in all this experience frightened me very much and is not something I wish to have to go through again, im going to be paranoid on the dancefloor in future, worried that if I go too mad I might seizure again. But the whole club scene is not something I can give up on, I love it too much, its what I live for so I'll take my chances.

Sorry for the rather long winded report, I got rather carried away 8).
Be careful with the meth/meph though people, dodgy stuff... Much love to all.

Xtc<3


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research chemicals can do all sorts of things, I'm glad your alright, but these chemicals are mostly untested and what they are doing to the body is more like a roll of the dice, just be glad it wasn't worse and cut back on your use of them.
 
sounds like you had a mild-ish overdose experience.

according to the erowid MDMA faq (i know they're not the same drug, but there is little information about methylone available.), "An MDMA overdose is characterized by high pulse or blood pressure, faintness, muscle cramping, or panic attacks. If you experience any of these symptoms, sit down, rest, and drink some fruit juice, water, or a gatorade-type sports drink. In the unlikely event someone has a more severe reaction, e.g. loss of consciousness or seizures, get medical help as soon as possible."

I would assume you didn't have a full blown seizure as you never lost consciousness, but i suppose it is possible. should you see a doctor? that's really up to your discretion. if you continue to feel "off" in the head, you may want to consider it. if you feel relatively normal, i wouldn't if i were in you're situation, i doubt a doctor would know very much about MDMA overdoses, let alone anything at all about methylone.

As for you're near death experience, that seems very much like a severe panic attack to me. have you ever had a panic attack before? having one while under the influence of a powerful psychedelic drug is simply terrifying, and can leave you shaken for a quite a while after the trip. try not to worry, and remember that you will return to normal eventually (if you feel yourself panicking thinking about it, tell yourself "it's over now, and i'm ok").

just try to be more careful next time, this should have been a wake up call. keep you're dosages reasonable and don't over exert yourself.

be safe and have fun.
 
One of my worst comedowns ever was on Methylone. But then on two subsquent occasions it wasn't much different than coming down off a reasonable amount of MDMA.

Glad you're alright though. Watch those doses and back to back drug use please!
 
I also concur, sounds more like a panic attack than a NDE. The minor seizing may well be as a result of the strobe lights, you may have an underlying epileptic condition that was triggered by all the factors mentioned above (dehydration, stimulants, heat, etc.).

But are you really serious about continuing to use amps this weekend after that experience? All of the drugs you listed are quite similar and differ only in their affinities for DA, NE, and 5-HT. Particularly that shitty cut to hell UK street speed, it is just plain stupid so lay off for a bit man.
 
From what you've written, it sounds like you had a terrifying experience.

Take care of your mind and body. Don't be the guy who lives to regret what he's done.
 
Cheers for the replies, in response to stirfry no I have never had a panic attack in the past and have never had any problems with anxiety or anything else of that nature. The primary reason I dismissed it as a panic attack was due to the fact that it didnt feel like I was panicking, I felt somewhat calm despite the immense terror, although I have read into panick attacks further since then and it does appear to be the most likely cause.

However it still seems odd to me that this happened later on in the night when I was much more relaxed as opposed to happening earlier on.

Since then I have been clubbing again, and did end up dabbling with a bit of base which was highly stupid and irresponsible on my part but yeah I felt fine and wanted to have a good time.

Although I thought I was mentally prepared to handle another night out the second the strobes came on 'The fear' got to me and I had to eject myself from the main room, it took me about an hour to pluck up the courage to go back downstairs and face my somewhat irrational fear.

Was fine on the dancefloor for the most part although was unable to really let go and enjoy myself and would occasionally get waves of extreme anxiety which were probably intensified by the speed.

Overall though I was fine, I did notice that the strobes and other lights effected my co-ordination making me feel a little unstable on my feet, however this has always been the case and shouldn't be much of a concern realistically should it? Although it did worry me when friends said they feel just as coordinated in strobe lighting as they would do normally.

I intend to take it easy from now on and wont be using any stimulants for a while, going to clear my mind ready for my first encounter with mescaline. :D

The next time I go out im going to do it sober although was thinking taking maybe 5mg diazepam to help ease the anxiety, what do you think, is this a sensible idea?

Also would you consider the 300mg bomb of methylone followed by a 200mg one 2 hours later to be a large or excessive dose?

Thanks for all the replies they are much appreciated. :D
 
that is not an excessive amount of methylone but you could be sensitive to the seizure inducing effects of weird lighting-for instance the old comodore 64 used to cause epilepsy reaction when it was loading (it had flashing lights)-maybe you are sensitive to this light.

a panic attack is so much more about weird physical syptoms that then lead to mental panic (in me experience), that is by the time you realise you are panicking it is difficult to stand, cos they happen so fast as to take you unaware. i get the beggining of them when alcohol wears off if i have been drinking for a couple of days.

stop taking speed if you are experiencing anxiety as it makes it much worse when you are on it and also the comedown is very anxiety ladden and leaves you with anxiety for days afterwards.

stimulant abuse (what you clearly have been doing) is known for triggering/enhancing panic disorders and leading to generalised anxiety. taking benzo's is not the solution either. if you have been taking benzo's as regularly as you have been taking speed and they wore off that can lead to panic attacks and in extreme cases seizures. i have a friend who was addicted to coke and benzo's and both drugs made his anxiety go through the roof (coke when he was on it, benzo's when they wore off)
 
Speaking as someone with severe panic disorder the 'near death' portion sounds very much like a stimulant enhanced panic attack, which I've experienced in the past (also had an epic panic attack on LSD...which is another horrific story.)

One of the irrational feelings that can accompany a panic attack is the certainty that you're going to die, sometimes because you're scared of having a heart attack cuz your heart is beating so fast, but sometimes like random things, like being afraid that you took to much drugs, and that's what's going to kill you.

But, I am glad that you are ok!
 
I don't know, it sounds like a cross between an overdose and chronic abuse. I mean, 500 mg methylone spread out isn't exactly an OD, but this monkey gets fucking floored from a single 200 mg dose and can imagine having serious troubles with 500 mg in a short period of time.

Also, mephedrone is pretty nasty shit. I wouldn't be surprised if recent mephedrone use played a contributing role here. My single experience with mephedrone, while extremely pleasant, suggested that it is very harmful to the body, much moreso than MDMA or methylone, neither of which have given me any physical troubles.

Additionally, if strobe lights have always made you feel a bit funny, then you probably have a lower seizure threshold than the average Joe, so stout doses of stimulants+strobe lights are probably a no-no.

Glad to hear you're okay. Stay safe man.
 
You probably didn't have a seizure.

Panic attacks and drugs combined (the latter usually causes the former) can mimic all sorts of sensations. Spasms can happen during a panic just as easily as they can happen during a seizure. I mean, did you lose consciousness during the seizure? If you were conscious, it was probably just a bad, sudden panic attack. If you feel like, "Oh crap, something is wrong. Am I going to have a seizure?" you can kind of coerce yourself into thinking you're having one. The fact that you got out of the club and were relatively fine more or less quickly afterwards makes me think it might have just been all in your head.

Even if you did have a seizure--it doesn't make you any more prone to having more. You've never had a history of them, correct? I mean, if you want to be safe, talk to your doctor, but I doubt you have any form of epilepsy whatsover, especially if it hasn't shown up sober. Word to the wise: strobe lights should never be able to induce seizures in people who are not epileptic, even whilst on drugs.
 
I've been a long term sufferer of anxiety and it sounds like you had an anxiety reaction to the meth/meph. I have had many pleasant experiences on these drugs but if i take too much (especially the odd few times i have ended up bombing/sniffing a whole gram on a big sesh.) I have had the same symptoms, feeling like i might die. Same with similar drugs, fet, mdma etc.

Best thing is to lay off them for a while, i do think stimulants did and still can have a massive effect on my anxiety problems. They can also trigger it (for me i think it was chronic weed smoking)

So just try to lay off them for a while. I know myself it's hard when you want to dance all night long!! Just try it getting a little drunk, if it's a good night the adrenaline and excitement can be enough to keep you going. From personal experience my anxieties have gone through the roof abusing these drugs.

I also know benzos are not a long term answer (after abusing them heavily to sleep and cope with anxiety) but can be a good short term answer, but i try to take them a good few hours after i crash so not to mix stimulants with tranquillizers.

I've seen some people turn really wierd on meth/meph and especially once they start to comedown.
 
Jesus Christ. You would take a drug again after it did all that to you? Man ... and all these people dismissing your symptoms and treating what happened to you as if it were no big deal just astounds me. The solution to drug-induced anxiety isn't to take a little less of the same drug next time, or to start taking other drugs to balance out the anxiety from the first drugs. The solution is to get off the drugs! Your mind and your body are screaming at you.
 
tbh i think it was just the strobe lights. any time i ever take MDMA even in small doses and look at a strobe light for to long i get this seizure kind like thing u are explaining and feel as if im shooting through tunnels throughout the place its horrible but i dont think its anything to be too worried about
 
mdma (and methylone most likely isn't any different) can lower the seizure threshold and cause cramping (elevated body temperature doesn't help with that either). i agree with the other that you didn't have a full blown seizure when you didn't lose counsciousness. i wouldn't worry too much about epilepsy (still go to a doctor if you really want to check up on that), as ten times as much people have a seizure once in their life than those who have epilepsy.

your "near death experience" sounds exactly like a panic attack to me and i do have some experience with them :-\
benzos (only for short term treatment! these things are addictive) have helped me a lot with panic attacks. in the case that panic attacks continue to trouble you i suggest having some at home. most of the time knowing that i have benzos in a drawer is enough for some occasional anxiety to not develop into a full blown panic attack.
 
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