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Methylone - Exp - The Collective Consciousness (++++ experience!)

I don't want to seem rude zeke, just sharing what I know, as I know thats what you're trying to do. But holistic and homeopathy are placebo treatments (placebo has been shown to work on some things but can be dangerous to rely on for dangerous conditions). And from what I know of biochemistry (having taken the course), those toxic chemicals are only toxic in large abundance. no need to worry about proper enzymes, once they go to the liver it will be well taken care of by plenty of enzymes. the toxic stuff from aspartame is excreted faster than it is made. yes, protein metabolism is a nasty thing, but what can we do? we need protein. the protease enzymes in your stomach make this stuff all the time (formic acid, formaldehyde), the reason being, they are very small.

As for the OP... I don't think your argument that is basically summed up as "look how good i typed for how fucked up i was!" is a good one. I don't doubt you may have been, but methylone is like a stimulant... we are not criticizing you for your trip report, we are for the propaganda (or show-off of "abilities") spewed through it.

I do agree on you about the bible (most parts anyways) and the spirituality of america. "God said it, I believe it, that settles it!" types of attitude here are common and result in a very closed mind, especially anti-science views as well as religious/spiritual beliefs. I'm sure there are some spiritual christians but most are about as spiritual as a loyal Kim Jung Il follower.

As for fluoride, luckily i've grown up on well water. But it has been shown to reduce cavities, which doesn't justify it, i just think you're wrong that someone can be evil and just decide to fuck with everyone, no matter who they are. Despite high religious rates we are a scientific country (99% of our best scientists not being religious), and as scientists we don't take anyone's word for anything, not even fellow scientists. that is why the peer-review process works so well dispelling BS that other scientists that are suspiciously funded, or anyone, comes up with.

If aspartame is "proven" to cause all those things (and by scientists doing research, not internet scare sites that zeke listed), the FDA would take it off the market or scientists would protest till everyone lost faith in the FDA.

As for MSG... obesity? Please tell me more, i've been looking for a tasty way to gain weight, and I LOVE MSG. I always check the labels to make sure certain things have it.
 
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Haha thats not rude. I do not believe in holistic or homeopathic treatments (for the most part) either. Let me ask, did you actually check the websites, or the information therin? I understand being hesitant on info found at a place like "aspartamekills.com" hahaha. And yes, the large abundance or continued ingestion of methanol, which is an indisputable byproduct of aspartame, is what causes the problems. Its an accumulative poison. Fortunately as you mentioned we live in a scientific society. The major hindrance of science isnt the information sought after, but the money that the scientists need in order to do their research. You mentioned suspiciously funded. Would a small study of only 48 people in a limited amount of time funded by Nutrasweet seem suspicious? I have at least offered resources to try and back my claims...where is yours (this is where most just attack the person they are debating, but since im enjoying the debate ill just toss a stone in your general direction =D). In all seriousness I would be inclined to disagree with my viewpoint had I not encountered the information that I have, and seen that information correspond to the symptoms of family members. The problem here isnt the information we are providing. It is the sources we provide to back up our claims. How can a website titled "aspartamekills.com" be credible in a normal person's eyes? I understand that. If the sources that I provide are not proof enough i will seek more, but I do ask, do you have any sources that counter my claim? If so, what makes them more/less credible than the sources I provide? If I am wrong I would like to be the first to know. Being wrong only allows me to learn.
 
I was an indigo child! Now tho I'm more chartreuse. I was also really into the indigo girls back then. But all that changed when I wasn't recognized by the other lesbians becuz i was a lesbian trapped in a man's body. I used to cry everynite, it was so sad.
 
honestly i looked over the fox news report on the site and am surprised dr. olney, who discovered nmda antagonist neurotoxicity (and also discovering that lsd and other chems prevent it!) spoke against it. made me think, anyways. my mom always said it made her sick as well as msg but have thought that to be psychological.

my main argument as stated would still be, that those 3 bad chems produced by aspartame are also produced, in higher numbers, by protein metabolism which our liver takes care of. however there could always be a hidden variable, such as it binding to some receptor (possibly even an unknown one) causing havoc in people who express more of this hypothetical receptor.

i'll back away from what may have seemed like a pro aspartame position. i dont touch the stuff so thankfully its not a personal issue.
 
Yeah, aspartame is definitely creepy. One of the most confounding factors in our society is the fact that big business is producing the mass-produced food products that most people are buying, and they've spent years trying to determine the best highest-profit-per-unit formula, and the result is a lot of synthetic chemicals in food, from preservatives to color to artificial sweeteners like aspartame and artificial saltiners (new word) like MSG. And a lot of nowadays is done to reduce calories and fat and carbohydrates and other nutritional terms that most people don't really even understand... an example of this is hydrogenated oils.

So all of this factors into their calculations for how to maximize profit. And so when new chemicals are proposed as additions, they throw out some of their vast quantities of cash to fund studies. But you can't trust the results they're reporting because the studies were not independent and unbiased. So the result is that we get all kinds of additives put in our food and other things we consume, and it seems naive to think that none of these would have negative health effects, especially when considered cumulatively over a lifetime. And how often in the past have enough studies been done by truly independent parties to discover that something we once thought was safe to use or ingest in fact causes something like cancer, after it's been in use for many years?

I mean, I just don't think you can trust that any Big Business is really worried about the health of individuals. It's all a numbers game, trying to maximize the profit margin. I think the cigarette industry is a perfect example. All the shit added to cigarettes for the purpose of cutting down on the amount of actual tobacco used and increasing the addition factor, and essentially marketing to kids and at all times downplaying the risk to the fullest extent the law allowed... it's a fucking joke. Big business has become corporatized, and the responsibility for decisions has been split across so many people, on so many levels... it's created a system where people feel like it's a big number game. It takes the humanity out of it. I wouldn't trust anything automatically about something produced for consumption by a corporation. It just seems like a bad idea to me. Maybe I'm just a paranoid psychedelic-using nutjob though. But I know that when I decided to eat as close to natural as I could, growing my own produce, buying meat and dairy from a non-factory, free-range farm down the street, and not eating stuff with artificial chemicals in it, I started to feel a lot better. I can't deny this. I think it would be a good idea to get back to eating simply, eating whole real food as a society and leave all the crap out of it. I mean I'm sure the vast majority of it isn't bad for us in particular. But I'm sure it's not particularly good either. And some of it HAS to be bad. History has shown us that already, and it's wise to learn from history.
 
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That was an excellent post Xorkoth.

~Hiss~ I didnt want to seem like I was agrueing with you. Ive seen alot of information on both sides of the fence and can completely see where you're coming from. It does make me glad that you're not an aspartame user yourself:D

So has anyone been able to mimic the experience that the OP reported, or read of something similiar? Its always interested me when people have completely out of the ordinary experiences on various chemicals. A ++++ on methylone definately has me interested.
 
Your report doesn't sound crazy to me; not at all. I have had only two real ++++ experiences (one involving crystal meth and the other iv cocaine), but I can definitely relate to your experience.

++++ are unpredictable and are very real--supernatural even.

Don't listen to the haters!
 
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Your report doesn't sound crazy to me; not at all. I have had only two real ++++ experiences (one involving crystal meth and the other iv cocaine), but I can definitely relate to your experience.

++++ are unpredictable and are very real--supernatural even.

Don't listen to the haters!
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I seriously doubt you reached a ++++ with meth or cocaine. 8)8)8)8)8)
 
After this, I think its possible to reach a ++++ with anything... Keep in mind, the drug doesn't create the ++++, it acts as a catalyst that sets off something that brings you to the ++++ experience. The conditions were just right in my case for a ++++ to happen. Further uses of the same batch of methylone have brought me to a strong +++ but nothing near this level.
 
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