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Methylone - Exp - The Collective Consciousness (++++ experience!)

pofacedhoe said:
that sounds like the opposite of what xanax does to me, but i guess everyones different
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Xanax always has a stimulating buzzy come up for me... I never really liked it... it hits me like a rush and actually makes my panic much worse for a few minutes before it smooths it out for like 2 hours and then crashes... leaving me worse than I was when I started it.

Klonopin, on the other hand, doesn't have a rushy come up and lasts a long time with no real high of its own and I've found it not only smooths out the body issues of stimulants but it potentiates the euphoria of them quite a bit. There is no abrupt crash with Klonopin. The ONLY downside I've found to Kpins is they take a good hour to an hour and a half to kick in whereas with Xanax, its 15-20 minutes tops.

lungfreeamerica said:
"indigo children" = ego:\
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Your point being?
 
affasd said:
this reads more like a conspiracy theory more than a trip report.
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It sure does. Unfortunately those bad things that "they" have been doing to us are actually true.

Things that go in to our food and water have to be approved by the FDA. So all of these things have technically been approved by the government before application.


Great report by the way.
 
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lungfreeamerica said:
"indigo children" = ego:\
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Exactly.....what I am not concerned with peoples different cult types and practices, nor does it matter to me that the FDA is controlled by certain people not actually concerned with "our" safety. My point is that the collective is very real.........if you have not had the pleasure of the experience....where the ego is involved in a different kind of way than most people like to think of the word, then don't judge. 10 million people were turned on to the collective and thanks to several factors...the 80's cosumer based United States, etc.they have turned it into a word "hippie" or "counterculture"....

I will say one thing.......Your brain is alot more powerful than you think, and 10 brains are better than one :)
 
It is posters like the OP that ruin the image of drug users. People that are so fried they make little sense and are unable to come to a logical interpretation of reality. Five minutes of research easily dispels the myths you propagate. Methinks you need to stay away from drugs if you are so naturally inclined to far out and improbable theories.
 
My brain just stopped working after i started reading this. This is complete bullshit, sorry me - but even LSD users dont go so wild. this is more like mentally challenged nonsense, not trip report :S
 
eLW said:
My brain just stopped working after i started reading this. This is complete bullshit, sorry me - but even LSD users dont go so wild. this is more like mentally challenged nonsense, not trip report :S
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yeah paranoid psychosis...
 
No offense, but my mom, a paranoid psychotic and meth-addict says shit like this almost every day.

Just because you see something doesn't make it true. I don't give a fuck how real it is. I had a dream I was a grape once AND IT WAS PRETTY DAMN REALISTIC in an absurd, 'wtf' kind of way.

Of course, at the same time, I am of the opinion that if its not going on in this universe, as weird as it is, its probably going on somewhere else. Who knows. I don't.

Weird effects for Methylone by the way.
 
Anyone who criticizes the "conspiracy" portion of the report needs to do some research. Want to know the first group of people that used flouride? The jews in nazi concentration camps. Aspartame? oh god, dont get me started. Its pure poison and nothing more. Not only methyl alcohol or wood alcohol (which kills u) but phenylalanine (sp?) and aspartic acid. I suppose its just a coincidence that Donald Rumsfeld happened to be the CEO of the company that produced aspartame, fudged test results, and put aspartame onto the market in the early 1980's. I supposed its also coincidence that within 2 years instances of brain/other cancer shot up wildly. And that aspartame is a consistent, dominating factor in the diets of a huge proportion of the huge sized US population. Why is it so hard for people to believe that there are elements of society that are working very hard to put restraints on every single human being? In fact, their goal is to eliminate 80% of the worlds population, because according to some researchers this world was only designed to support a 1/2 billion person population. Being paranoid is not necessarily a bad thing!

Its sad but true. The OP is correct in her "conspiracies." As for the report, i liked it. Dunno much about this Indigo Child stuff, so i cant say anything on that front.

Oh, and the they you were wondering about are the Council of Foreign Relations (CFR), the Builderburg Group, and the Trilateral Commission. These three groups are your major power brokers of the world. Its a group of ~200 people worldwide. Moreover, its the international banking cartels that control these groups. Rockefeller and Rothschild's mostly.
 
lol conspiracy theories. what about the real problems?

anyway, I thought it was an interesting report, but I kind of have to agree that it was a little insane/ignorant sounding
 
zekethemusicman said:
Anyone who criticizes the "conspiracy" portion of the report needs to do some research... Not only methyl alcohol or wood alcohol (which kills u) but phenylalanine (sp?) and aspartic acid
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There is only a warning on packages about phenylalanine because of people with a disease who can't metabolize it. It is an essential amino acid. Many of the proteins which make up your body contain it. So much for research?

Same thing for aspartic acid! It is a non-essential amino acid which means our body makes it!!! Such profound ignorance, I'd lol, but it's not funny cause there are so many people like you!

This trip report was a joke. Anyone with real psychic abilities could take the James Randi test and make a million dollars. No one can demonstrate psychic abilities or any other pseudoscientific stuff because its simply not real. I almost envy the OP though, ignorance can be bliss, no offense. Might be fun to think such stuff as being true and experiencing it.

*I think zeke was talking about those 2 chems as breakdown products of the main focus of his rant, aspartame, despite his wording. methanol and formic acid are small molecules constantly produced in the biochemistry of our body, especially protein metabolism. we produce all kinds of toxic chemicals and our bodies know exactly how to deal with them, that is why piss stinks. the milligram levels of aspartame are much less than eating and metabolizing a steak... or tofu burger. It is only poisonous when there are massive levels such as drinking ounces of methanol, which would be billions of times the amount made by metabolizing aspartame. There are many independent studies showing its safety, including rats given many many times the normal dose. And its approved independently by over 90 countries. This is a chemical that was made by slightly altering 2 (natural) amino acids, accidently discovered when looking into anti-ulcer medicine. Conspiracy my black ass (I'm white :))
 
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The truly alarming thing about the OP is that I know a plethora of people who really talk like that, this mix of psychedelic high culture and psychedelic low culture, enthusiastically, embracing, and being tossed to and fro on the waves of off-brand, neo-Hippie, pharmaco-gnostic tropes, ciphers, and cast about by the winds of conspiracy-mongering. They surely do happen to have really, really florid trip reports, either online in or in person, and they are the origin of a tremendous amount of our common culture, at least those of us who were first exposed to drugs in what you could anthropologically term a "folk" and informal setting when we were a good deal younger, in the 80s and 90s when this New Agey stuff was in an odd state of flux between our parents generation and our own ... those were awkward days. Nancy Tappe antedated the era I'm talking about, but people only really took off on her in that era. And there was a lot of acid, which lead to a psychic snowball of exponentially larger amount of bullshit. Sort of like CoSM, if you've ever been. So, you gotta put all of this in it's proper cultural context, man. String together all of the above, the Internet, and modern pop-lot drugkidism, and you've got not just a trip report but a perfect example of a very real philosophical undercurrent in the drug culture, even if it is one that some of us are inclined to find ludicrous. So for future culturals anthropologist studying drug use in early 21st century America (no doubt utilizing SkyNet/Google technology to do in-depth research into phpBB), this is a goldmine.

OP, I have love for you. I've been there. But now I'm not. <3
 
~_Hiss_~ said:
There is only a warning on packages about phenylalanine because of people with a disease who can't metabolize it. It is an essential amino acid. Many of the proteins which make up your body contain it. So much for research?

Same thing for aspartic acid! It is a non-essential amino acid which means our body makes it!!! Such profound ignorance, I'd lol, but it's not funny cause there are so many people like you!
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You beat me to the punch. I was about to provide a link to the 20 amino acids used by the human body. Then I was going to ask if you happened to notice anything odd about the claims made. Some people are truly stupid.
 
I am sorry your post is not split up.

I experiened methylone and found it very disappointing.

I much preferred 4-MMC from the same supplier.
 
You do realize that I typed this while I was completely gone right? Like I couldn't see straight... if you look up my posts right before this one, you'll see my spelling and grammar were a total mess.

Also for those being so critical of my post, read some of the other trip reports on here. Total mess of garbage...

There was more to it but I won't bother adding to it. Oh and the Kundalini? I've been working with it with great success so something very real came out of this... I posted this to share knowledge.

And I agree that it is very odd for methylone... and why I'm considering having it tested... But I'm not the only one to have a ++++ from this particular batch of methylone.

Some of you are definitely jealous that you can't reach consciousness on the level that I did and I respect that. I meant to share my experience and nothing more. Trip reports are not meant to be judged. Its not like I did anything stupid like go for a drive or eat a 1g dose so please don't lecture me. I have been around the scene for a long time and I am highly respected by almost all of the mods on here. Look up some of my other trip reports... Yeah I can definitely reach some magical levels with drugs but that isn't something to hate on. I'm a very receptive person - to the point where I have to shield myself from other people's emotions or I am easily dragged into their emotional field... It happens...

As for the Indigo stuff, I don't care if you believe me or not. This experience was nothing short of phenomenal and I feel a lot of the attacks are out of pure jealousy or ignorance.

Oh and by the way, I'm not psycho. Far from it. I just have a very open mind that is willing to go places others wouldn't dream of.
 
You are absolutely correct. I was ignorant, as are the vast majority of the population. It is the long-term ingestion of aspartame that causes an incredible range of health problems, the majority of which can be primarily attributed to the cumulative increase in methanol and its metabolites in the body. When aspartame is broken down in the body, one of the metabolites is methanol, which is then converted to formaldehyde, and then formic acid, all of which are toxic to humans. As for the phenylalanine and aspartic acid, you are correct. They are both necessary to humans, however when they are introduced to the body without the required metabolitic enzymes (as they would be in food) then they can become toxic; this is the case with phenylalanine more so than aspartic acid.

Sorry Hiss i just noticed your edit after i made mine lol. Yea that is what i was getting at. The reason you wont see the toxicity problems from methanol in lab animals is because they possess a key enzyme responsible for its safe metabolism, whilst humans do not. There is also the case of free ethanol which is created when aspartame in a solution that reaches above 86 degrees F. This seems to be even more dangerous. This is a product pushed to market by Donald Rumsefld and produced by (apparently) evil Monsanto. There is too much of a coincidence when a product that has methanol as a byproduct produces all the symptoms of methanol poisoning (plus some).

Here is a link to a whole host of resources and information. Long term aspartame ingestion is terrible for the human body (as are many other things:\:()). I cannot let the truth of this chemical go unheard. There are many in my family that have a whole list of these methanol poisoning symptoms, whom are all heavy aspartame users, and have been for years. I see it every day with my mother.

http://www.aspartamekills.com/symptoms.htm

http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/

I do apologize for derailing the thread, although I don't see much discussion coming about other parts of the trip report. So back on rail, has anyone else seen anecdotes or experiences that show methylone is capable of a ++++, or any related exalting experience from this chemical? I'm not sure that I have ever seen a ++++ from pure MDMA, which is what methylone is usually attempted to be compared to, correct? Or did Shulgin experience a ++++ from MDMA? For the record I have not taken methylone, but have had some exalted experiences from MDMA. I would not rate them past a +++ however.
 
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SomeKindaLove said:
The truly alarming thing about the OP is that I know a plethora of people who really talk like that, this mix of psychedelic high culture and psychedelic low culture, enthusiastically, embracing, and being tossed to and fro on the waves of off-brand, neo-Hippie, pharmaco-gnostic tropes, ciphers, and cast about by the winds of conspiracy-mongering. They surely do happen to have really, really florid trip reports, either online in or in person, and they are the origin of a tremendous amount of our common culture, at least those of us who were first exposed to drugs in what you could anthropologically term a "folk" and informal setting when we were a good deal younger, in the 80s and 90s when this New Agey stuff was in an odd state of flux between our parents generation and our own ... those were awkward days. Nancy Tappe antedated the era I'm talking about, but people only really took off on her in that era. And there was a lot of acid, which lead to a psychic snowball of exponentially larger amount of bullshit. Sort of like CoSM, if you've ever been. So, you gotta put all of this in it's proper cultural context, man. String together all of the above, the Internet, and modern pop-lot drugkidism, and you've got not just a trip report but a perfect example of a very real philosophical undercurrent in the drug culture, even if it is one that some of us are inclined to find ludicrous. So for future culturals anthropologist studying drug use in early 21st century America (no doubt utilizing SkyNet/Google technology to do in-depth research into phpBB), this is a goldmine.

OP, I have love for you. I've been there. But now I'm not. <3
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Best post in this thread. :) I love how you get me thinking, dude.

Thanks for the report, MK. I've certainly written my fair share of trip reports while high and channeling something from my subconsciousness. It takes balls to post that. Or actually I guess at the time it was just what you needed to do. So let me rephrase that and say it takes balls to leave this up and stick to your guns. :)
 
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