Methylone and Opiates

[omegapoint]

M1.

Hi, SWIM1 and SWIM2 friend have both taken 4grams (4 grams EACH!!!) of M1 over 3 and 6 days (respectively) together and with the following results:

M1 taken IV.

SWIM1 situation: morning of M1 arrival: consumed and was taking prescription tramadol AND (yes, fully aware) parnate (tranylcypromine) which is a potent monoamine oxidase inhibitor.

Sleep has been had each day but doses of around 300mg a few times a day. Around a gram a day. Food not tolerated well. First few shots causing Hallucinations. Last few in last day of 6 days only giving mental aneasthetic feeling and no visual but dose was reduced to avoid newly present tachycardia.

Tranylcypromine was not taken with m but SWIM1 still in first two weeks and can tell unable to make MAO as has very high serotonin after most m1 shots. All tramadol had ceased also: despite the fact that NORMALLY TRAMADOL AND/OR PARNATE CESSATION WOULD CAUSE BAD BAD BAD DEPRESSION AND OPIATE WITHDRAWL - m1 HAS COVERED THIS AND SWIM1 HAS DETOXED OFF BOTH USING M1.

SWIM2: was taking 100mg Methadone prior to consumption of M1 also by IV. The M1 did NOT produce any hallucinogenic or psychedelic activity in SWIM2 but after little effect compared to normal the METHADONE (yes, METHADONE) has not been taken and/or needed: SWIM has succesfully DETOXED from OPIATES also.

Some tachycardia, mental fatigue etc: as would be expected for 3 or 6 days use with little or no sleep and food but all ok and able to function mostly.

Similar properties noticed by SWIM1 and SWIM2 with no-need-for-opiates when taking METHAMPHETAMINE but doses that are required are in grams so this M1 much easier to do in $ regard.

Maybe opiate withdrawl-symptom-avoidance method here ?

Any thoughts on this at all ?

Anyone done extreme doses of Methylone or LONG TERM ?

Yes, SWIM and SWIM know they are insane.

 

[The Hebrew Hammer]

well, im sure after this shit wears off, the guy who detoxed from methadone at 100mg a is going to be in hell.....

 

[Solipsis]

Yeah, it sounds like an absolutely horrible idea. A way to withdraw from other things? I don't think so, maybe postponing whilst draining yourself completely. I have had harsh post-M1 anxiety when it wore off, if other detoxes catch up on you it's even worse. I have quit a GHB binge and took M1 and it sent me off into a panic attack. Terrible!

Methylone use in longer term or short can have much less obvious comedown effects than something like MDMA but it can be sneaky about sucking the energy out of you, I have made a gross error with that and I suggest you or friends do not fall into the trap of thinking that you are getting the positive effects 'for free', you WILL pay the price later on.

Oh and please stop using the word 'SWIM' we are allergic to it here, even if you are actually talking about other people. Just say friend A and friend B okay? If you are talking about yourself it does not help against self incrimination, nobody is fooling anyone.

 

[DwayneHoover]

Doing Methylone while on an MAO inhibitor is EXTREMELY DANGEROUS. They are VERY lucky to have not ended up dead.

Even without an MAOI 300mg at once is a large OVERDOSE for 98% of everyone... the euphoric effects normally do not get any stronger beyond about 200mg and the excess stimulation and heart stress rocket upward at an exponential rate with every extra 10mg over about 180. Of course some people experience rapid heart rate and over-the-top jittery over-stimulation and the resultant excitement/thrill-ride sensations as being equivalent to "euphoria" but I might suggest that interpretation is a bit off-base... but everyone is going to have their own unique impression and "labeling" of every experience.

Dont gripe at me if your responses are not exactly in line with this, it does seem fairly variable in how it hits many people, but these guidelines do seem to apply to the VAST MAJORITY of the population.

 

[~QuirKyNai~]

Ive.wondered.about.using methylone/ethylone for opiate withdrawl.I know that adderal.amd.vyvanse helped wih my withdrawlI think.it gave me that.dopamine my body needed or somn.
Right now ihave been.doing acetyl fentanyl for two days.i have been on suboxine(~1-2 mg daily) for roughly 4 years.And decided.to play around with the acetyl.so i took my last dose of the acetylfent around 1am.Im hoping i will be able to take my sub wen i get up,or around 12 hrs later.k

If i don't feel like im in enuff withdrawl,I think i will take some Ethylone..im hoping it will release enuff dopamine in my system to make me feel better..I do have four 1 mg klonopin...but i wana use them wisely..benzos are almost precious to me anyway.

I also have two kinds of synthetic cannainoids too,just.not sure how good they will be for the transition from the acetylfent back to my suboxone.
If anyone has any advice,,im all ears..oh the cannabinoids are ab-fubinaca,and ab-chminaca.

 

[~QuirKyNai~]

Ive.wondered.about.using methylone/ethylone for opiate withdrawl.I know that adderal.amd.vyvanse helped wih my withdrawlI think.it gave me that.dopamine my body needed or somn.
Right now ihave been.doing acetyl fentanyl for two days.i have been on suboxine(~1-2 mg daily) for roughly 4 years.And decided.to play around with the acetyl.so i took my last dose of the acetylfent around 1am.Im hoping i will be able to take my sub wen i get up,or around 12 hrs later.k

If i don't feel like im in enuff withdrawl,I think i will take some Ethylone..im hoping it will release enuff dopamine in my system to make me feel better..I do have four 1 mg klonopin...but i wana use them wisely..benzos are almost precious to me anyway.

I also have two kinds of synthetic cannainoids too,just.not sure how good they will be for the transition from the acetylfent back to my suboxone.
If anyone has any advice,,im all ears..oh the cannabinoids are ab-fubinaca,and ab-chminaca.

Yea,so i took my suboxone. 12hrs.after my last sose of acetyl fentanyl(damn damn dat stuff is.addictive,glad i gave.more.than half to a 'buddy')..
So,now i wana try and see how the.ethylone.will feel.i was always.ok to take methylone.on my suboxone.and.im looking to just chill.out,maybe do some.cleaning around the house.and feel good of course..
Anybody know how much dopaminr bk-mdma releases??

 

[Solipsis]

Anybody know how much dopaminr bk-mdma releases??

Uhm, relatively more than say MDMA does iirc.

Don't substitute one drug for another, you are just running away from withdrawals / hangovers that will eventually catch up with you. The withdrawals get stretched out and more postponed.
Abusing something like methylone does deplete your dopamine over time, there is relatively a quicker refill compared to serotonin -at least apparently, and can be felt when redosing it... but you are just asking for problems with energy / motivation / attention, etc.

Pull though, eat well, rest well and try to exercize.

This is more something for OD forum than PD so moving the thread nao.

 

[~QuirKyNai~]

And how much dopamine does ethylone(bk-mdea)release?in comparison to methylone or adderall?

 

[~QuirKyNai~]

Look,if u can utilize stimulants or cathinones for withdrawl,GREAT,but if u know ur not going to be able to eat,make sure u eat and drink alot beforehand.And i suggest having ensure or carnation instant breakfast drink mix.and WATER.it dangerous to attempt withdrawing from opiates with stimulant because u don't have an appetite,and u need to stay hydrated and somewhat well fed or have sone nutrient and protein intake. Water is def important cuz..duh!..and u have to think,watever drug u take,especially methylone has to go thru the liver and its going to go thru the kidneys.So u need to be mindful of ur organs....If u wana keep doing drugs,u gota al least try and treat ur body good.