Methylone and anxiolysis or anxiogenesis

[Psychonautical]

i have taken this substance many times at many varying dosages.
Yesterday, was the first time i had tried this substance on an empty stomach.

I took 200mg in a paper bomb, and over 30 minutes, i began to feel absolutely amazing as i always do.

after about an hour, my friend Donovan decided that we should take another one. I normally do not take more M1 until after the first two or three hours, but i guess the empty stomach made the desire to do more that much stronger,

About 15 minutes after eating it, i began to cycle between extreme bouts of paranoia and utter relaxation, i thought i was dying because the cycling of the two emotions was so sudden and so violent in succession of each other, that i could barely contain myself.

I asked myself, is this it, like is this the last trip i am ever going to have, and when my friends Ekrem and Dono felt my pulse and checked my eyes, i could stare at them without my eyes wiggling. My Resting Pulse rate was at a stead 85BPM.

I was having what felt like a Tricyclic anxiety attack. Moments of immense serotonergic euphoria followed by an immense tumble into a paranoid state that literally made me feel as if my skin was going to start peeling itself from its bones.

I've never been that paranoid before, except when i had an extremely bad 2c-e trip. I was just happy that there were moments of clarity within the chaos or else, i would have demanded to have been driven to the hospital...

basically i know that this is a short acting drug, 2 hours after the 'panic' attack began i started to feel better...
and i still went to the concert that i had intended on going to and had a blast,
there was no headache, there was no weird bodily feelings...

does anyone else have experience with this...??

 

[kobebeef]

yeah man! I've had that happen to me! Many years ago I would take m1 a lot and sometimes in pretty high dosages and sometimes even mixed with adderall (probably real dumb!). I NEVER had anything but smooth, relaxed, euphoria. Often when the high wore off, I would feel "blah" and want to go home or really crave another high... never felt paranoia though!
Suddenly m1 was much different. I don't know if the batches are different or what. I had one time that was so scary and panicked that I took a cab to the ER, even though I KNEW I was just having a panic attack!
It seems like I'd take a normal dose of 180-210 and feel mild effects, get greedy and take more only to suddenly be peaking out the windows, and hearing/thinking I Might have seen something like a psychosis or something!
I really wish I knew if it was my brain or the chemical itself that has changed! m1 used to be my go-to for "this will be a GREAT night" experiences. Now I'm too afraid to take it!
sad!

 

[DwayneHoover]

Yea, I figured out after years of LOTS of frequent Methylone expeiences: key thing is you gotta just learn out how to use or enjoy the residual stimulation so that it actually becomes satisfying, and not annoying.

Nitrous Oxide helps me alot with that... takes the edge off... makes you feel better actually. Best not to do it during the early phases, as NO is SO overpowering that can mess with the development of the sought-after "Euphoric Phase" in the first hour. As much as I WANT to do NO during this part, I avoid it, and just satisfy myself with cigarettes, deep breathing, and just focusing on experiencing & riding & feeling as deeply as possible the exciting buildup, then the release. After that point, about an hour in Nitrous can help dissolve some of the edginess.

Pot or smallish hits of one of the synthetic cannibaloids would probably also help. A glass of wine perhaps helps fuzz things out a little (plus all those antioxidants in red wines are good for you after stims, as well as the alcohol being therapeutic to the cardio system... FYI - people who have 1-3 drinks per day of any alcohol have a substantially LOWER rate of heart attack and stroke than those who dont drink at all).

Seems to me doing 200mg an hour after an initial 200mg (already a pretty large dose IMO... I usually do 175-185) is really just ASKING for discomfort and difficulty. Please dont do that to yourself... Your Dad and I would feel MUCH better about your experimenting if you could take that one bit of advice

 

[Solipsis]

Yes definitely, I have reacted that way coming down from methylone. I got an anxiety attack from it as well.
One time I came off it and I was still also tripping on 4-AcO-DMT and I was also coming off GHB.
I took a very mild opiate (forgot which one) and started hyperventilating because I didn't trust my breathing... thought I would stop breathing if I let go.
That was a multi-way recipe for a panic attack and I went to the ER for it. The hyperventilation really messed up my blood gases and caused freaky shit.

While methylone is still working it is anxiolytic, something inbetween MDMA and amphetamine. There is less stress and fear. But especially when you redose or combine the crash can give you opposite feelings.

 

[ecstasyboy717]

i have little psychosis from mepherdrone and severe anxiety