Methoxetamine - Tell Us More

[knock]

@ missimoo

I usually weigh out every dose accurately, and it's hard to forget dosing when you're doing that. It also means planning. "I'd like a chilled out buzz" = weigh out 25mg. "I'd like a bit of madness" = weigh out 70mg. So I know what I'm doing before I do it. Admittedly, sometimes I decide after a small dose that I really wanted a larger dose, but then I just have the larger dose and the jobs done.

On other occasions, when my inner control freak is asleep, I will weigh out a quantity for the night, say 100mg-150, and dip into it as and when I wish. So while things are more free-form, there is an explicit upper limit.

Just dipping into a large bag randomly is a bit daft!

I don't feel the need to be so careful with ketamine, because it comes on so much quicker, it's more like a joint where you can gauge your dose from how you feel and just stop smoking, whereas with the MXE it takes about an hour to feel the full effects so it would take forever "topping up" to the desired amount.

Also I have noticed the time it takes to feel an oral dose (as opposed to sublingual) goes up significantly if you've just eaten a massive pizza! This is one reason I do not like oral dosing. Other ROAs are better than sprinkling on your cheese and mushroom.

Hope you recover quickly.

 

[missimoo]

@knockando i have vowed to weigh out what I plan to take over the evening, and put the rest away with the scales etc in a place I can only access with the abbility to walk and think.

lesson learnt.

the pain in my side i presume is my liver hasnt lessened since that night. It still feels like ive been punched.

i think the lesson here (one ive managed not to learn on other occasions with dissociatives) is to weigh out your dose. and put EVERYTHING AWAY before you take it,

this also applies to my other medications ive made the "have i taken my tablets?" mistake with whilst on MXE and ended up stuck in a loop.

I fully appreciate the level of stupidity I have exposed myself as. but i hope others can learn from my mistake! I really really did not enjoy the night, or the weekend, and am rather pissed that i have to now re order....... and hope the pain in my liver passes soon and doesnt lead to any long term damage.

there is a threshold with MXE where it goes from small dose = fun, bigger dose = more fun, even bigger dose = spin out and horrible time.

I hope that I have not now added EVEN BIGGER DOSE = liver damage. or worse

I do. feel. a. tit.

someone once gave me advice regarding cocaine that i think applies here "dont buy/have more then you plan to take" (because you will take more if you have more)

on both counts i learnt the hard way

missimoo: part idiot blonde . part guinea pig.

 

[Mugz]

I doubt you have damaged your liver from one session. Drink lots of water, and eat some good food today and you will feel fine in no time. It was a bit silly to be taking that much of it over the course of a night but you said you have learned your lesson now.

Stick to the scales in future.


Slightly recklessly but still staying with a 200mg total limit sometimes I have measured out 200mg, then put that into an old empty 500ml bottle of coke or something like that then drink my dose straight from there. If I want a small dose I only have a few sips, if I want a large dose I drink half the bottle.

 

[dcss]

I recently bought 4 grams of MXE and have been using it daily. 2 days ago I started noticing pain where my liver is, under the right side of my ribcage. I hadn't thought it might be due to MXE. I had a rather heavy night yesterday after using Oxycodone, 2C-E, MDMA and MXE. Maybe this wasn't such a good plan as my liver is still hurting quite badly. I don't have a scale but I can safely say I was using a large amount of MXE.. I will stop using until the pain subsides and then after that I will use it less frequently and in lower doses. I find it quite worrying that I have actually experienced physical pain from my drug use for the first time. A lesson has been learned!

 

[Vaya]

Hey. Has anyone explored the interactions with blood pressure caused by methoxetamine? I experienced some problems and want this to be known for harm reduction purposes... I had not consumed any substance, alcohol or cannabis... I use lab grade equipment (ohaus digital mg lab scale) and consumed a 90 +-5mg dose of high quality product, administered rectally. My room mate who is a nurse took my blood pressure after finding me very very fucked up and able to respond but not talk. The number was in the mid 200's and I was told I was close to having a stroke.

Was this BP reading of 200 your diastolic or systolic BP (the top number or the bottom number?) I'm assuming the top, which indicates 200mmHg of pressure that it was taking for your heart to contract and pump blood to the rest of your body. Needless to say, that is *exceedingly* high, but it also has to be judged relative to the bottom number. I have some EMT training and took my own BP many times over the course of my MXE use and found that it averaged 100/60, which is relatively normal (albeit somewhat low). Certainly does not mirror your experience. I developed a *massive* tolerance to MXE over the past two months, too - I tended to exclusively plug the substance at dosages between 55 and 190mg rectally administered [WARNING: This is NOT recommended to anyone - it is a huge dose administered in a rapid-release format and I recognize my own idiocy for having allowed my addiction to MXE to rise to this level of absolute irresponsibility].

If your reading of a very high BP after ingesting between 85 and 95mg of MXE rectally was correct, it could very well explain the death associated with the IV combination of 100mg MXE and 400mg MDAI, as the latter increases BP as well (although to what extent, I am unsure). I don't have the details on the death other than the facts listed above, but I would posit that the combination of two extremely high doses of these drugs, intravenously, nonetheless, would certainly send the body into shock and likely have lead to this users' dying of massive cardiac arrest. This is all conjecture on my part, but you've got to realize that if you did not have a tolerance to MXE, ~90mg plugged is a gigantic dose. I am really glad you're okay, and you're probably making the wisest choice available to you - that is, to discontinue using this RC arylcyclohexamine altogether to prevent chemical-induced TBI, TIA or even total heart failure.

Thank you for sharing your experience, and I hope that it does indeed prevent others from making the same nearly-fatal mistake, man.

Take care,

~ vaya

 

[Vaya]

It is gently stimulating, at least at normal doses, on its own. I don't think it puts much strain on your heart, although at times I've noticed my heart racing a bit but this tends to be for a fairly short period of time near the end of the come-up.

This, too, has been my experience (and I blew through 12 grams in 2 months of this shit ). My resting BP on even large doses of MXE (although I had a tolerance, massive, by week two) was always between 100/60 and 125/72, and I never combined any other substance with it when I would take these measurements.

~ vaya

 

[missimoo]

with regards to the use of Methoxetamine and the beach,

I have conducted a series of clinical trials

in summery (the journals themselves can be found on the Lancet)

test subjects should follow the C.O.S.H.H. guidelines.

Ensure adequate protection from UV rays, use a "bullet" to administer doses. to avoid sand or wind destroying or displacing the chemicals involved.

prepare mp3 and headphones

maintain a safe environment by lying still, on your back, listening to music and chill.

results from all clinical trials so far suggest that the element of "bliss" may be discovered in such experiments. and a good tan.

ensure adequate supply of water and music.

note: test subjects also reported interest in cloud spotting.

 

[33Hz]

Whats the best way to store this stuff, and how long does it keep for?

For some reason the past few trips I've had on this have been mostly opiate-like in nature and lacking in dissociative effects. I don't think it's a tolerance issue as I've only been using it again recently on weekends for the past 3 weeks.

 

[bignbrown]

have a gram of this on the way, looking forward to it, i enjoy K but find it quite the headfuck alot of the times, i think low to medium doses of this would be more light hearted fun.

whats a good dose to start and the best ROA? i have a few oral syringes for plugging, or maybe sublingual?

what should i expect at low to medium doses in terms of effects?

 

[33Hz]

whats a good dose to start and the best ROA? i have a few oral syringes for plugging, or maybe sublingual?

what should i expect at low to medium doses in terms of effects?

30mg sub-lingual is a good place to start. The first hour brings on typical dissociative effects, feeling floaty, detached from your surroundings. Things look as if seen for the first time and more brighter. You might get some slight confusion or deja vu during this stage as well but not much at this dose. After about 2 hours it fades into opiate like body buzz, and you can feel the dopamine doing its thing. This is usually when I get quite a moderate mood lift and some slight stimulation.

 

[blauwelichten]

weirdness...

 

[Acid4Blood]

the therapeutic properties of methoxetamine continue to amaze me.

So introspective & conscience-cleansing I'd nearly place it on a shelf with LSD!

 

[Acid4Blood]

anyone have an idea or % of oral vs. nasal bioavailability?

It seems snorting takes just as long to come up on as sub-lingual.

 

[rockstar 69]

How much do people dose with this stuff and how often? I enjoyed it last time but the hole is very confusing. I only did about 2 doses of 20-40mg up the hooter.

I like it alot but it seems easy to overdo and low dosed.

 

[Mugz]

I know this might be a silly question, but mine should arrive tomorrow and I have a 5-a-side game in the evening, I don't plan on taking it during, but does anyone think that the "afterglow" could help me be more confident in the football and play better, or probably best to just stay off it tomorrow and wait for my next day off in a week and a half???

 

[xtcnation]

I know this might be a silly question, but mine should arrive tomorrow and I have a 5-a-side game in the evening, I don't plan on taking it during, but does anyone think that the "afterglow" could help me be more confident in the football and play better, or probably best to just stay off it tomorrow and wait for my next day off in a week and a half???

I wouldnt risk it mate. I feel it effects your cognitive abilitys at least up to 24 hours after taking mxe, depending on amount obviously. Personally i dont think i'd be any good in a game of football the same day as taking it. Would probably forget what i was doing mid play or something lol

 

[bignbrown]

woo arriving tommorow, only problem is, i haveno scales.

i could half the gram into 500mg, then split into 5, then split into 4 for 25mg doses, as thats the dose im aiming for, but still its a bit risky.

Also, it seems subbing is the best way, is this only becuase you need less? or does it produce better effects?

 

[bignbrown]

You cannot eyeball easily around the <100mg mark in my opinion without experience of weighing the substance out first and getting a feeling for what it roughly looks like - even then I wouldn't recommend it. Why not dose via liquid? Take the set amount (eg 500mg), put it in so much water (eg 500ml) and dose via an oral syringe (1mg=1ml).

or this method, does it work well, i still have plenty of oral syrines, but only 5ml ones.

 

[missimoo]

I wouldnt risk it mate. I feel it effects your cognitive abilitys at least up to 24 hours after taking mxe, depending on amount obviously. Personally i dont think i'd be any good in a game of football the same day as taking it. Would probably forget what i was doing mid play or something lol

i find driving even 2 days after a dose i am "slightly fuzzy" have done silly things like almost "not notice" the car reversing into me in car parks and little things that could very nearly get nasty at speed.....

...it seems to generally take a few days to clear your head, im not sure if this is due to the regularity of my dosages or the amount.

i have found like most people on this thread that dose more or less daily for a few months the magic really does disappear on its own accord i was beginning to think i was heading for a habit, but daily use has dropped to a few times a week, and even that is "meh" mainly due to the 3 day to clear your head (re-dosing daily doesnty have the same effects, tolerance goes through the roof and lowers ubber fast)....there is no issue with missing "life" things, im not not doing thigs i need to to get high or anything, which would be a warning sign for dependence

dose wise i am probably taking more in a session, but using less over all. for a dissociative effect up to 300mg in a night/day any higher and it becomes nasty,

no noticeable side effects, slight kidney ache if higher then this. anything below 100mg has no effect on me, typically 100mg dose is what i start with unsuffated. and top up in 25mg bumps through the night. toping up a dose seems to have a stronger effect then a full initial dose

no problems with blood pressure, howerver i do get water retention (swollen ankles) if i use 2-3 days in a row.

 

[bignbrown]

if you had to eyeball (BAD IDEA I KNOW), how big would 25mg be, about 2-3cm long?

im not interested in huge crazy k holes, just wobbly europhic fun.