I think it seems to be the case that recognizing that vendors exist is fine, and that that different ones may be better, or worse, scammers, etc seems to be allowable, as long as sources are not named, and as long as people aren't deliberately given pointers to go and set them on the path to track a vendor down, that seems to be what is officially sanctioned.
And of course, referring to many, many years-dead vendors such as JLF, in light of the busts, discussing operation web tryp etc directly has been tolerated before, as they are well known to have been raided, shut down, and in some cases sentenced nearing a decade prior to now.
I tend to make a couple of small purchases, when evaluating legal compounds I am interested in, from a site, a few times, at different times, to get a sense of the respectability of the business, and judge based on their look too, there seem a lot of vendors which are keen to suggest for instance, 'how much is enough for one reearch experiment'
Those buggers make me distrust them, although its not an automatic no-go as far as I am concerned. It isn't like one could know, if one ran such a business, what experiments people would be doing, in a legitimate lab (although I do consider it legitimate to ingest such compounds voluntarily, nobody else's fucking business what goes into my body, the only other person with a say about what happens to my body, is my lovely lady, certainly not the pigs or the government)
I do know what sorts of experiments of an actual analytical nature are often used, such as in vivo animal testing (I'm already doomed never to actually work in the field professionally, because of that, I refuse to torture and kill animals in the name of science)
The 'amounts for a good experiment' often suggested are rediculous, its obvious that they are calibrating that for the human species, not rats, mice, monkeys, dogs, nematode worms, door to door salesmen, etc.
And for electrophysiological studies, to see how drugs actually influence cell signalling at the molecular level, usually patch-clamp or whole cell-clamp techniques, those are done on single cells, or bits of cell membrane, single ion channels, etc. and require such tiny concentrations of ligand(s) that we aren't talking grams, tenths of grams, quite likely not even ten of milligrams, many research chemicals being used in small volumes of low-nanomolar concentration solutions.
Setting up a neurochemistry research supplier has been a dream of mine since I was young, although its proving painfully slow to realise. But damn, I wouldn't be seen dead with a website like most of these 'RC' suppliers have. The way they operate isn't much different from a traditional drug dealer, save that those doing it take card payments, are more likely to be educated, and less likely to throttle one in a dark alleyway if one finds the latest batch of something to be shite.
I really want to see the government take their heads out of their arses, and realise that it is an industry that will not go away, is currently protean and with little quality control save what is given by the honesty of a particular company, or lack thereof, and by the ability of the end purchaser to perform analysis of their own. And by its very nature, the RC scene will adapt faster than the government ever could, when they banned a bunch of the JWH-series cannabinoids, and the CP,57-497 derivatives, I already knew of at least three different categories of chemical back-bone that could be used to develop an entire new series of new cannabinoids.
Indeed one of those has gone on the market, although in very small quantities, if the supplier is genuine, and incredibly expensive.
The answer is to stop relying on dogma, on the part of the govt (I.e, if its a drug, wait for somebody to have a headache, then use that to claim its dangerous, and ban it. If it doesn't so much as cause a runny nose, find a user, smash their face in then claim that this dangerous new unknown drug which we know nothing about, is known to be highly dangerous was responsible for violent disorder)
Preaching to the choir here, obviously, but its really quite strange to actually sit back and think about how peple refuse to see what is right before their eyes, and to think that some people allow emotion to make their decisions for them, and not logical thought.
Why not tax it (fairly, unlike the way they keep their snouts in everybody else's trough where alcohol and tobacco are concerned), prohibit sales to under 18s, and do just two other things, mandatorily.
Not make any claims whatsoever about what a drug does to somebody, how much to take, how to take it, or to suggest a use at all. Simply list its effects biologically, such as receptor affinities, binding site, and provide physical data and analytical data, such as TLC retention times, NMR, GC/MS, IR-spec etc.
If it were me running a business like that, it would be a case of no party-pack style special offers, although I have nothing against sales or making available small samples for evaluation purposes, or reference samples for UV/IR spec, etc.
Just formal IUPAC name, pictorial representation of the compound, and synonyms by which it is known (NOT brand names, however, such as 'spice', unless perhaps its a well known name that has become generic, as has heroin, aspirin or methadone.
Biological function of compound, for instance in the case of MXE, something like : NMDA antagonist, uncompetitive channel blocker, whatever the Ki value is, and likewise for activity at MOR, other ion channels targeted, any other known receptor profiling, molar weight, isomer ratio, and perhaps some links to publications if there are any detailing prior research.
Having a govt. body responsible for doing the analytical workup and making it a requirement for sale, would drive prices up some for the end user, but I think it would be a good way to put some juice into the economy (or at least those parts of it that aren't strictly localized to some eurocrat's bank balance) but it would ensure consistent quality control, and help stop the meph kids from getting hold of things they never should, its incredibly easy for a kid to ring his dealer, get a gram of ket, of unknown quality, if is even the intended drug at all, and go fuck up big time.
But how many shops these days will still sell booze or fags to someone who is obviously underage? I'm guessing not many, of course there are some, and will be, I got pissed plenty as a teen, much more so in fact than I do now I am of age
But they get shut down often, or hit with huge fines, or both, the same could be done with the various waves of exotic psychedelics, entactogens, dissociatives, opiates, the works, currently there isn't any infrastructure in place to stop it.
How long has it been now, since there were first implemented 'controls' on drugs that in some way resembled modern practises, in the UK and US?
Probably not much short of a century, and we have the very good example of the major time a previously legal, widely used and accepted drug-alcohol-got made illegal.
What first caused little crime, save that of smuggling to avoid tax, which is certainly far less serious than violent crime, then became prohibited.
Not only did the government lose the revenue it had coming in from being able to cream it off other peoples hard work, but it instantly produced an open market that was ripe for the taking over by whichever mob organization could get in first and have the firepower to back it up.
Result? crime massively increased (including that crime which you just artificially CREATED, by making it criminal in the first place), driving up the cost of maintaining the pigs on their daily donut ration, but specifically violent crime shot up, and whats more, it didn't stop the sale of alcohol.
Wouldn't be surprised either, if there were a fair few poor buggers that went blind due to badly distilled spirits when that requirement for standards was taken away, and the production infrastructure de facto becoming the territory of scum, rather than good people who simply ran a normal everyday business.
Yes alcohol can be abused, so can MXE, drink every day, all day, and you are going to turn into a dropout, damage memory function, and turn you cognitively deficient, possibly psychotic hobo, begging for a few coppers towards a bottle of cheap vodka to stop you carking it from a siezure in a back alley, covered in your own shit and looking like something that a cockroach wouldn't eat.
Do the same with MXE...again one would likely lose the plot, become delusional, suffer cognitive impairment, maybe bladder damage, if MXE shares the tendency of K to form a toxic desalkylated metabolite ala norketamine and the dose is escalated enough by a chronic abuser, and end up with the same end result. A non-functional member of society with severe and enduring health problems, being a burden on the NHS.
Perhaps, as far as suggesting uses or doses goes, an alternative to the strictly pharmacological approach, a more pharmacy-like method of managing retail would be better, as there woudn't HAVE to be that strictly implicit, or neutral setting, but openly acknowledging that people were going to use these drugs, then proper advice and safety info could be given openly by somebody who knew what they were talking about.
If it isn't a crime, it won't attract criminals. By that I mean organized crime, and those acts of criminality that go along with illegal drug use such as stealing to fund habits, rather than the criminalization of otherwise good, law abiding members of society who are expected to meekly accept that their government owns a majority stake in their body). There is only a huge profit margin to be had if it is a black market economy and clandestine producers/distributors fight it out amongst themselves, remove the criminality, and the criminals have little to gain in that area.
One doesn't see mobsters kneecapping each other over coffee or tea, or chocolate, but if they were banned tomorrow....how long would it take, for the first body to get dumped, I wonder?
