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Methodone, I never realized how strong it really is !

hwbush336

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So I'm down to 50 mg a day of methodone and it's still affecting my sleep motivation and drive . I never thought my receptors and tolerance would recover like it has . I feel absolutely amazing the first 2 hours of the dose and then I start to get sleepy and tired unmotivated.. EKG are better than normal always , so it's nothing to do with my heart or anything it literally only happens when I take the methodone.. So I'm wondering at wat dose I gotta be on for it to stop or will it always affect me at any dose until j come off . Also I want no euphoria or high I just want to feel normal not sleepy content none of that .
 
Methadone is a very powerful and long lasting opioid.

It can and does provide a very noticeable level of euphoria akin to other opiates/opioids.


But if you're using it for treatment, then the fact that you feel 'amazing', followed by tiredness and lack of motivation, suggests to me that your current dose is actually too high.

You need to find that sweet spot where it keeps you stable, but doesn't provide a sense of wellbeing that is obviously chemically induced.


This can be done, it just takes a long time.

Methadone was my saviour, and I'll defend it all the way. It just has to be used wisely.
 
Methadone is a very powerful and long lasting opioid.

It can and does provide a very noticeable level of euphoria akin to other opiates/opioids.


But if you're using it for treatment, then the fact that you feel 'amazing', followed by tiredness and lack of motivation, suggests to me that your current dose is actually too high.

You need to find that sweet spot where it keeps you stable, but doesn't provide a sense of wellbeing that is obviously chemically induced.


This can be done, it just takes a long time.

Methadone was my saviour, and I'll defend it all the way. It just has to be used wisely.
Yesss bro my Saviour as well !!!! I defend it just like you my friend, I fought long and hard on Suboxone and it slowly turns into something horrible as it just threw me into PRECIP no matter how long I waited , and even when I was stable I would relapse , alot to do with I wasn't ready and alot the medicine. But I was as high as 178 mg coming off Fyntinol, I live in Ohio , and now at 50 , , how much u think I could cut a week and not be sick ? I get 100 monthly and only take 50 so I have a suit case full of back stock so not worried if I get sick I just want to hit that sweet spot
 
Everyone is different of course, but in general, it's said that if you're dose is making you noticeably sedated, then your dose is probably too high. A lot of people chase the Methadone all the way to the end in terms of dosage increases. People will often increase their dose compulsively while getting increasingly diminished returns in the process. In short, their mind and body are telling them they want/need more Methadone when the true reality is that they would feel their best at a lower dosage.

This leads a lot of people down a path that ends with them feeling completely numb to everything, sleeping all day and generally not experiencing life the way they should be.

I'm not saying this is you specifically OP, but I thought it made sense to discuss this. You're right that the appropriate Methadone dose should have you feeling "normal". It should be enough to reduce your cravings completely, without making you sedated or otherwise interfering with your life. This is different for every person. It involves being really honest with yourself and being mindful of what the drug is really doing to and for you as opposed to what you think it's doing.
 
I agree you need to find that stable dose where you just feel like a normal person and can function with pain s aches or need to use ( though the mental part is all on you there ) plus I personall find dosing every 12 hr helps keeps me level and stable.
 
I've seen plenty of people that where on high dosages of methadone in recovery classes. They were always nodding out and scratching their face.
 
Everyone is different of course, but in general, it's said that if you're dose is making you noticeably sedated, then your dose is probably too high. A lot of people chase the Methadone all the way to the end in terms of dosage increases. People will often increase their dose compulsively while getting increasingly diminished returns in the process. In short, their mind and body are telling them they want/need more Methadone when the true reality is that they would feel their best at a lower dosage.

This leads a lot of people down a path that ends with them feeling completely numb to everything, sleeping all day and generally not experiencing life the way they should be.

I'm not saying this is you specifically OP, but I thought it made sense to discuss this. You're right that the appropriate Methadone dose should have you feeling "normal". It should be enough to reduce your cravings completely, without making you sedated or otherwise interfering with your life. This is different for every person. It involves being really honest with yourself and being mindful of what the drug is really doing to and for you as opposed to what you think it's doing.
Totally agree , lower my dose the better more euphoria I feel tbh . And I'm on 30 mg now from 180 if I take an extra 30 in HIGH AF for 2 days , not literally but for a long while and it's a nice warm nodding high which sounds bad but it was so worth going down
 
Totally agree , lower my dose the better more euphoria I feel tbh . And I'm on 30 mg now from 180 if I take an extra 30 in HIGH AF for 2 days , not literally but for a long while and it's a nice warm nodding high which sounds bad but it was so worth going down
I went from 120mg to 10mg in roughly a year. It wasn’t the most pleasant experience I’ve ever had but I don’t remember it being awful either. This was also the first and only time I had ever been on methadone. Not sure if that had anything to do with why it felt relatively ‘easy’ to me.
I know everyone reacts differently.

I did exactly what @Keif' Richards said people tend to do. I went above and beyond what I knew I needed.

Methadone gave me the appetite of a pack of velociraptors.
It made me feel like complete dog shit. I was tired, fat, hungry, and had zero motivation 100% of the time.

I vividly remember getting up in the middle of the night and scooping mashed potatoes and gravy into my mouth with my hands. Then opened up a can of condensed milk and basically drank it. I was a fucking disgrace.

I had become a completely different type of unhealthy and that wasn’t sustainable either.

I can’t remember my exact timeline but it was something like this.
I started dropping by 20mg a month, which wasn’t nearly as uncomfortable as I thought it would be, until I got to around 60mg.
Then I dropped by 10mg a month until I got to 30mg. From there I dropped by 2-5mg until I was down to 8mg.

Then I fucked up. Inhaled steel wool and burnt the shit out of my throat. Didn’t tell the doctor I was on methadone (he didn’t bother checking) and was given a shot of dilaudid, and a couple refills. Then a bunch of other bullshit happened and I ended up on suboxone.

Methadone was an amazing stepping stone for me… and as much as I want off the suboxone (i’m down from 24mg to 8mg), I had no idea how fuzzy methadone made me until I went on subs. Subs feel much cleaner and clearer… but I personally find them far more difficult to withdrawal from even when done properly.

I think I started to feel somewhat normal once I dropped to about 20-30mg of methadone.

Sorry for the rant but hope it helps in some way!
 
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Hav8ng used both bupre and methadone I can also testify to its potency. Hell even on a low dose of 10 - 20mg a day a had too shoot dbl to feel anything where with bupe on my lowest dose 500mcg one bag was enough and to breakthrough. When I was on 40mg methadone my first shot did nadda and only the second would break through and I would feel it.
 
If you are heavily opioid tolerant like myself, I have a hard time feeling euphoria from Methadone. However, I find Methadone IR Mallinckrodt tablets king of addressing physical dependency even in smaller dosages because of the full-life of the drug.

In my life I have been on all kinds of dosages, 180mg, 120mg, 80mg, and 40mg all at different times. After being on it for a period of time all the dosages feel the same as far as "euphoria or mental effect."

Over the past year I have found a new use for Methadone. I take 4 x 10mg IR tablets throughout the day with 7 x Roxi 30mg IR. It keeps the Roxi from dropping below a certain level providing linear levels of narcotic. Without the Methadone and at 8-10 x Roxi 30mg, every morning I wake up at 5am sneezing like crazy and yawning every 15 seconds.

Just Methadone 40mg makes that much of a difference for me. As far as I am concerned, Mallinckrodt makes the best generic Methadone 10mg IR tablets and he best generic Roxicodone 30mg IR tablets. ** The generics are "Oxycodone HCl." I have had two 30-day Rx's of Mallinckrodt brand name Roxicodone 30mg IR and I found those to be a tad better than Mallinckrodt's generic version. They want too much for the brand name.

Back to the Methadone, I find the generic Mallinckrodt IR tablets better than the brand name Methadose solution. My old cancer patient friend got the Methadose 750mL of 10mg/1ml monthly and said the Mallinckrot generic IR tablets also felt stronger to him. He was taking 250mg of solution daily. Go figure. He was nuts and would take 50ml (500mg) at once and would skip the next day's dose (48hrs) before withdrawals would start.

Oxycodone has a concentrated solution 20mg/1ml or 200mg/10ml. Imagine the condition of the patient to get this Rx. The final boss of Oxycodone.
 
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If you are heavily opioid tolerant like myself, I have a hard time feeling euphoria from Methadone. However, I find Methadone IR Mallinckrodt tablets king of addressing physical dependency even in smaller dosages because of the full-life of the drug.

In my life I have been on all kinds of dosages, 180mg, 120mg, 80mg, and 40mg all at different times. After being on it for a period of time all the dosages feel the same as far as "euphoria or mental effect."

Over the past year I have found a new use for Methadone. I take 4 x 10mg IR tablets throughout the day with 7 x Roxi 30mg IR. It keeps the Roxi from dropping below a certain level providing linear levels of narcotic. Without the Methadone and at 8-10 x Roxi 30mg, every morning I wake up at 5am sneezing like crazy and yawning every 15 seconds.

Just Methadone 40mg makes that much of a difference for me. As far as I am concerned, Mallinckrodt makes the best generic Methadone 10mg IR tablets and he best generic Roxicodone 30mg IR tablets. ** The generics are "Oxycodone HCl." I have had two 30-day Rx's of Mallinckrodt brand name Roxicodone 30mg IR and I found those to be a tad better than Mallinckrodt's generic version. They want too much for the brand name.

Back to the Methadone, I find the generic Mallinckrodt IR tablets better than the brand name Methadose solution. My old cancer patient friend got the Methadose 750mL of 10mg/1ml monthly and said the Mallinckrot generic IR tablets also felt stronger to him. He was taking 250mg of solution daily. Go figure. He was nuts and would take 50ml (500mg) at once and would skip the next day's dose (48hrs) before withdrawals would start.

Oxycodone has a concentrated solution 20mg/1ml or 200mg/10ml. Imagine the condition of the patient to get this Rx. The final boss of Oxycodone.
Dam where are you still getting Roxi 30s??
 
Mallinckrodt just changed their Roxicodone pill construction. They are harder to dissolve for IV use and they do not work as well for snorting.

This is for the 10mg and 20mg Tablets which are called SpecGX now. The other strengths are the same as ever
 
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One of the greatest things and hardest things i did was get off methadone after being on daily for over 5-6 years.

One of the worst things i did was get on it.

If you are not gonna take it as prescribed and gonna use on top DO NOT TAKE IT I know its free opiates everyday but trust me it will fucking kill you take your energy your drive your health and jack your tolerance up more than fucking elvis
 
Everyone is different of course, but in general, it's said that if you're dose is making you noticeably sedated, then your dose is probably too high. A lot of people chase the Methadone all the way to the end in terms of dosage increases. People will often increase their dose compulsively while getting increasingly diminished returns in the process. In short, their mind and body are telling them they want/need more Methadone when the true reality is that they would feel their best at a lower dosage.

This leads a lot of people down a path that ends with them feeling completely numb to everything, sleeping all day and generally not experiencing life the way they should be.

I'm not saying this is you specifically OP, but I thought it made sense to discuss this. You're right that the appropriate Methadone dose should have you feeling "normal". It should be enough to reduce your cravings completely, without making you sedated or otherwise interfering with your life. This is different for every person. It involves being really honest with yourself and being mindful of what the drug is really doing to and for you as opposed to what you think it's doing.
Man like Kief!

Glad to see theirs still some real mods about!

True say I have used this site for over ten years and a lot of stuff I learned has been from you so big respect bro
 
Hey @Ddeeee thank you so much for the kind words. I have almost 15 years of my life wrapped up in this Bluelight thing that we all have come to respect and cherish. I was pretty sure I already knew everything there was to know about drugs by the time I was 16. Back then, it was much more common for folks to come from spots like Erowid, which is where I started. Going from knowing practically nothing to seeing these well-organized tables, graphs and descriptions was mind-blowing. Trip reports would then add color, detail and emotion to the clinical stuff. When you combined this knowledge with your own personal experience, that is often the start of real knowledge when it comes to knowing drugs, not just their pharmacology, but how more complex issues like unique physiology, psychology and even sociological variables have a measurable impact on these relationships. I'm glad you've gotten something out of my musings. I learned almost all I know from Bluelight, so it's meaningful in a major way to be carrying the torch.

@kongoman you raise some interesting questions. Please though, try to be just a bit more conscientious regarding your posts within specific threads. It's cool that you want to spread your love of music. I'm a lifelong guitarist. Music, like other art forms, allows us a peripheral means of communication, which can be invaluable. Sometimes, we think we have said everything that there is to say, yet our art can convey feelings innately, instantaneously that even years of conversation couldn't. Keep networking, though please be kind to our OP and allow his thread to be concerned with his issues. We have less formal sub-fora here at BL pertaining to humor, recovery, music etc. No harm done man, just consider these things.

To touch on some of the philosophy underlying your questions, you have to remember always that addicts are an incredibly vulnerable population. They often have almost no personal agency left by the time they are seeking treatment. They have already degraded themselves consistently to varying degrees. These people are unlikely to follow through with grievances, seek legal action for mistreatment and typically suffer from lower situational awareness/intelligence (so much processing power in the mind is devoted to fear, anxiety, schemes and so on. In short, they are a population that frequently threatens serious action, but in practice rarely follow through.

You can call it evil, sure, but the pharmaceutical industry is, in essence, a business, although we tend think of medicine as a sort of charitable, ethical enterprise. Neither Buprenorphine nor Methadone are the most effective treatments for severe Opioid addiction/dependence. Research has consistently demonstrated that meeting addicts with their drug of choice is a more effective treatment protocol. This scheme was rejected largely due to the moral implications of giving bad people exactly what they want. Instead, we are given substitutes that, while fulfilling the objective of suppressing withdrawal, are very often simply not what the addicts want.

Both Buprenorphine and Methadone are known for their comparatively higher incidence(s) of undesirable side effects. Buprenorphine/Naloxone (Suboxone) features a secondary drug that has proven to be essentially useless. This took a generic, affordable medication and made it into a much less affordable patent drug. This was done in lock step with the ramping up of the early Oxycontin-wave of the Opioid Epidemic. Not only this, but Naloxone can quite often lead to unwanted side effects that render the treatment less likely to succeed. The FDA, which is essentially in business with Big Pharma made Suboxone the only "accepted" form of Buprenorphine and this persists in the US largely to this day.

The left half of the Methadone molecule is the Mu-Agonist (Levomethadone) while the right (Dextromethadone) functions in a similar way to how Dextromethorphan functions as the right half of the Opioid agonist Methorphan. It's pretty much not useful for our purposes and, you guessed it, often leads to an array of undesirable side effects. Racemic Methadone is cheaper to produce than the resolved stuff, so that is what we use. Pharma takes advantage of all, though we are quite vulnerable so we tend to see some of the worse treatment.

The culture in the West, largely in the US, has accepted the massive die-off of Opioid users. The higher cost of living is slowly making people less likely to sympathize with us. More and more people see the death of these individuals, while "sad", to also be more money left in the till for non-addicts. Just remember, we are all human beings and every one of us is guilty of sin in this world. Your humanity is directly tied to your ability to empathize with the lowest of the very low.
 
So I'm down to 50 mg a day of methodone and it's still affecting my sleep motivation and drive . I never thought my receptors and tolerance would recover like it has . I feel absolutely amazing the first 2 hours of the dose and then I start to get sleepy and tired unmotivated.. EKG are better than normal always , so it's nothing to do with my heart or anything it literally only happens when I take the methodone.. So I'm wondering at wat dose I gotta be on for it to stop or will it always affect me at any dose until j come off . Also I want no euphoria or high I just want to feel normal not sleepy content none of that .
I went through this for years. I was on methDone for 20 years- went from 90 mgs to 43 mgs. Fear and having a monthly supply kept me from leaving it behind. Heard horror stories. I went into hospital and they didn't give me merhadone because in my final last 6 months I was buying off people because I had a dirty urine- alcohol of all things. So I come out of hospital and start suboxone- never felt better , even keeled, than ever. Plus, they will give me a month long supply in the first month- even with a few alcohol dirty urines! If you can get through 2 or 3 days without methadonne you can then take the suboxone. If you take it with a certain amount of 'done in your system it can throw you into rapid horrible withdrawals. Good luck!
 
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