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Ashley said:
Whilst my drug of choice is heroin and has been for around 6 years now. Prior to finding the keys to that dungeon, I was heavily into MDMA (primarily high doses pressed into pills, it was my first drug aside from cannabis) and methamphetamine. I haven't used MDMA in around 3 years due to a lack of availability and poor quality, though MDMA in its crystalline form seems to be making a comeback - especially in Sydney, heavy abuse of said drug really screwed me up for a while.

Around that time I started injecting speed and over time stopped consuming massive amounts of MDMA which I was taking with my fiancee every night for about a year from the time we first met. Then IV speed/ice was our DOC for quite a while after the MDMA dried up and we stopped selling it for income. We did use speed during this time as well as MDMA but to a lesser degree than after it was no longer around.

Though, I have arrived at this point happily (or not) a heroin junkie, only having the occasional shot of ice, I still love methamphetamine. The euphoria, rush and sense of well being that both methamphetamine and methylenedioxymethamphetamine can induce are as enjoyable to me as those similar effects heroin delivers. Being the definition of a drug pig, I have tried all of these drugs at various dosages and combinations, ranging from low doses to dangerously high doses, to doses that have had me in hospital.

Someone, I think it was Sustanon was saying he found it surprising how many people go from stimulants to depressants, but the jump from MDMA to methamphetamine makes sense to me and I have seen quite a few people make the transition, especially for those that smoke, due it's social acceptability amongst peers that used to eat their "Ecstasy". I mean people aren't even that phased if you go to another room and whack your ice, but if it was H on the other hand... Different story.

I feel the effects of both methamphetamine like drugs to be very similar in some ways and all together different in other ways. The euphoria felt from a large dose of MDMA has had me feeling the best I have ever felt, rivaling that of heroin (excluding the early days when I was opiate naive and a 200mg shot of good heroin would have me seeing OEVs, feeling like I'd arrived in heaven, etc.)

These being my two favourite drugs (and the drugs my fiancee and I extensively bonded and consequentially made lots of love on :)) - I have the molecular structure of both compounds tattooed on my inner right forearm and Jessie has the same. Always wanted to add methamphetamine below MDMA, but due to its near exact structure, I think it might not look the best. Perhaps above the diacetylmorphine compound.

Man, can you tell I've had a shot of speed? I wrote this on my phone.

Ash. <3
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lulz.. Man I just spent 3 hours trying to.. 1. Make an account 2. Trying to find this post cause its so fukn true (and somewhat funny)

times I start thinking.."What am I doing with my life?"

I have no real insite to give here..
Only meth is one POWERFUL stimulant and should be treated as such.
There is some pretty good stuff in Aus atm me thinks. Love to know the nitty gritty of where its cooked etc. (Burma/Thai Border I reckon..)
And all the Precursor they must deal with. They'd be getting shipping containers full of pseudo from india no doubt..
defo clean n yummy. I remember a couple of yeas ago when I was getting this "brown" rock (not shard) and smelt like "base" (that goey speed shit). Fuck that was...um..well it was okey stuff. Def dirty but. Bad for us boot'n. Tasted like shit in the pipe anywayz :P

Local cook? Brown due to pill casings? Do we even cook here anymore? I remember being told a story....

These dude's would pay/fly this 'Cook' from the UK and put him in a house for 2-3 weeks and cook up a storm. Then theyd move out and burn it down..These events were often 6months+ planning.. etc etc. so theyd be making pounds n pounds.
Do they still do these sort of shenanigans in oZ?

fyi I belt mine. atm im 6 months cleeen from my first 'baby' habit. Fuk its nice but what nasty nasty drug.
Now im not even allowed to dabble in H now cause my gerl doesnt trust me. She believes I'm going to get another monkey on my back as soon as I can. Hmm I dont think so woman! Thats no life. but a tickle wouldn't hert..Spesh if I spent the time and waited for good gear..
Was scoring the most pathetic pwder by the end of my junkie carreer. real dirty herion. Like errr. ........nm

anyway of subject. First post of many.
can you tell im up it? :P

peace.PS
(off to find the hammer thread to rave some more)
 
Hey guys just wanted a bit of advice or at least someone's opinion. I used to he this meth about 2 years ago for a relatively cheap price and it wasn't cut to spreads but was stepped on. 2 1/2 points IV was a pretty nice hit and it also smoke pretty good (not leaving any brown colouring) anyway the odd thing with it was when I had it it left a kind of milky after taste in te back of my mouth when either smoked or IVed. Was wondering if anyone has come across this or would know why there would be that kind of taste. Best way to describe it would be it was like watered down milk.
 
Sorry old red can't help u out with IV questions although intriguing nonetheless.

I think what really validated to me the profoundness of meths power was the fact it completely blunted my urge to smoke weed daily. I actually dont mind combining stims and weed and never had an issue with psychosis or paranoia, but it's like meth lifted me out of the haze of smoke I was clouded by(not a bad thing, as I'm an avid sportsperson and need to reduce mental and physical tension at times of the day when I don't need to be wired) and showed a snapshot of what life would be like to be 'sober' or like another poster put it more sober than sober.

It changed my outlook on overtraining and needing rest and downtime as that is a MAJOR part of weight training. I'd think to myself ok ive trained like an animal, eaten a lean diet now to have a toke of weed and sleep.

Instead that thought process shifted to ok ive trained to my fullest, replenished with food now to have a toke of meth and power through and run all my errins that I would have missed through rest.

it made me think how far can you push this body even without meth? Human body is extraordinary at what limits it can reach, with the right nutrients and mind set.
 
I posted afew weeks back that i got what i believed to be 4mar, and still think it was.

it's hard to explain but i get this sense about the 2nd or 3rd day after first puff that everything feels different to crystal meth. My head feels like its in a more aware and less jumbled state.
 
tentram said:
right, because join date has everything to do with credibility?

ever think that i've changed usernames? dig enough into my posting and you might get an idea.

sure, i'll take your word for it.]
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lefty? ;)

anyway, either ketone is being cooked/refined (I really dont know the whole process in the synth.) to look like psuedo (massive, clear transparent solid chunks), or msn has become extinct and these new cutters are everywhere in WA... in the past few months, I've picked up kuta that looks the part, fully dissolves, taste bitter as fuck, smokes up like kwinanna on a saturday night and gives you a strong taste yet is considerably weak, with no legs at all and some unusual side effects...

dont get me wrong, there's still heaps of killer doin the rounds (I only use once of twice a month at the moment), but the game seems to be gettin too much of a hit n miss just as a user... esspecially when taking into consideration the enormous price increases in the past 2-3 (some might argue 10) years
 
Ahhh I do look forward to the day when all the meth dries up and it just isn't an option on the options list. Or, given how unlikely that is, the day where I will have hung up the boots to a point where I can even politely decline the proofferings or opportunities to acquire free gear... which would probably only be a possibility if the quality went and turned to complete and utter shit!

Turns out, that day has yet to dawn. lol

Drug habits are the strangest things. Even when you don't go out of your way to score (when you're a minimalist, there's not much point, anyway), cut ties with the folk whose habits were entwined with your own, have no budget at all for anything non-essential...an unforeseen and certainly unexpected window of opportunity opens up, enabling you keep up/resurrect the status quo ritual/signature weekend passtime, under a seemingly beneficial guise... I'm sure it's a test of will from the universe, to see how capable I am of breaking free from the clutches of an age-old routine.. but hey, I'll be damned if I'm crazy enough to pass up on the gratuitous kick-backs while they're on offer! I know from experience how few & far between an easy ride can be... so until that runs its course, 100% clean living is just going to have to wait :p plus I have a lot of reading to catch up on.....and these quiet hours are the best ones to keep if you prefer to chill out, uninterrupted =D
 
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Drug habits are the strangest things. Even when you don't go out of your way to score (when you're a minimalist, there's not much point, anyway), cut ties with the folk whose habits were entwined with your own, have no budget at all for anything non-essential...an unforeseen and certainly unexpected window of opportunity opens up
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It really is incredible how consistently this happens!!
 
I first tried shard maybe 5 years ago, I had always used what you guys call base IV ROA anyway that stuff was very nice and smoking 1 point was almost like doing half a g of good base IV.
These days everyone is on the shit. A good friend who thought could profit from the situation is now a different guy from whom I knew 3 months ago. and yes I'm old school been around a long time now....it seems to get to people more intense then the good old base. Don't get me wrong I love smoking or IV shard it makes music sound as powerful as when on a good MDMA pill. That's only reason I do it. I see all amphetamines as a working mans helper or cause I'm ADHD a motivator to get up and do stuff it's never made me feel huge amounts of euphoria. The quality that I get I can smoke point in a 12 hour period. and that gets music sounding nice a powerful and when nice hard beats sound I will do the shard pumping of fists etc...if I smoke 1-3 I will be thrashing my fists in the air and thumping the ground with my leg non stop for 2 days.....when I have it by itself I don't get euphoria but when I have dexampphetamine which I'm prescribed I get quite good euphoria
 
the friend I was talking about just came around I thought he was gonna shout me but he some how misunderstood me when I asked him how he is going......I can be pretty good in drug encryption conversations but he was way off the mark tonight. If your young don't touch the stuff go get some base and snort a few lines least then you will not fry your brain as much.
 
managed to get some decent shard that ive still got a couple points from a halfer stilll goin strong, talking and doing stupid shit. lifes great.
 
Alright methamphetamine - it's been fun but I am going to try and cease my use. 12 years of IV use on a semi regular basis - with periods of usage ranging from a few times a week to once every month or 2. I turn 30 next year...have been getting really good gear lately so I have been using every 2 weeks for about the last 12 months. probably about 3 points in each session. I have definitely noticed an effect on my fitness and motivation recently.

Earlier this year I stopped drinking (from 10+ standard drinks every day) for the most part ( have had 1 beer on 3 separate occasions since) so I know I possess some sort of ability to self-moderate. The main problem is, every 2 weeks, as soon as the paycheque goes in, it's the first thing I think about. And by the time I've had a couple of weeks break, the desire to dose again overrides any health concerns and I completely ignore any underlying desire to not do it.

Things in life are going well this year - I exercise, perform music and am successfully studying for the first time in my life this year. But all of these things I enjoy have suffered at the hands of this little habit. And I'm sure to a lot of you it probably seems like a very small habit that's not worth much concern - but it has definitely affected my health (mental and physical) and being that I have essentially spent my 20's getting high and dicking around, I'd like my 30's to be spent getting healthy, travelling and enjoying life in a different way.

It's going to take a long time to get clear of 12 years of reinforcement, I would imagine. So what I am looking for is any tips or ideas - how people here or people they know have quit methamphetamine use. Methods, organisations, any kind of advice is welcome. I was going to start a new thread for this but thought it would be more appropriate to post in here.

Cheers guys and girls
 
Has anyone noticed a quality decline of methamphetamine in Melbourne lately ?

Have been using for about 6 weeks every day, and accept that I have developed a tolerance. But there seems to be something different to the methamphetamine that is currently circulating, compared to the type around just a couple of years ago. I've bought off 6 different suppliers, and have come to think that the ice has fundamentally changed, i have wondered if it's because of tight controls/lack of availability of pseudoephedrine.

Both myself and a friend notice that the symptoms are different:

Ice from 2009 and before (in brisbane, nsw, and melbourne) would unfortunately make you perspire to a greater extent. But it involved the desire-able feelings of clarity and lightness. Happy/chatty/aroused/creative/make you want to clean/give you energy were other common effects.

Ice from 2012 in melbourne is having different effects. Does not make us perspire, does not involve the clear head-edness but instead brings on a state that feels like your very heavy, low in energy, have a fuzzy brain. My friend (more experienced than I) says it is like old school amphetamine.

Has anybody noticed the same decline in quality and change in effects of ice in Melbourne? Is it just our tolerance? Before this current and unexpected 6 wk binge (have decided to stop as of yesterday), I'd have a 2-3 day meth binge maybe 2-3 times a year over about 3 years, and that would knock me around so much I would feel relieved when it ran out and not want to repeat in a hurry. That is to say, it seemed stronger.

All feedback re: quality and what might be affecting it is welcome. Is it well known that ingredients are different and/or product is less pure these days? I'm sure there must be a change?? Appreciate any insight.
 
CartoonHead your situation sounds very similar to mine... Exept Ive spent my 30's getting high and dicking around. I turn 40 next year and would like to adopt a much healthier way of living. Like Captain Brewster said there is a Quitting / Tapering thread, which is very quiet at the moment!

You will get a lot of advise and information, not to mention support. I have to admit my efforts come undone this week, I have had to just make it so I cant access cash. Unfortunately I needed access and took advantage of the situation.

Your habit is obviously of concern to you as mine is to me, I can put some weeks between use but its never far from my thoughts. Hope to see your progress in the other thread.

I have tried not to come into this one much, after viewing the image of the pipe not far back I noticed things I did that night were the same as when Ive been smoking it. Sleep was also hard to achieve purly from the visual of that pipe and shards!
 
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