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I've had to unapprove some posts. A reminder that sources are not allowed here. It's in the guidelines (which I'm sure you've all read as per the requirement before starting posting ;)), and in big bold writing at the top of the AusDD home page :\
 
This is gonna sound nuts.. But I have actually had to try and modify my hold on the pipe due to my thumb aching! Callous on the one use for the lighter and feels like bloody RSI in the other.

So its true what they say, meth is bad for your heath.

I get that all the time. Take some magnesium. Feels like you're getting carpel tunnel from holding the cunt.



I can back up Headdah and say that the crackbong week was pretty wicked. I make every one try one these days. If you keep spilling water/powerade into the pipe and washing the meth out, never fear, that drink is gonna blow your mind. Even on day 6 or 7.. Even after only 1-2 mouthfulls.

"Methamphetamine never did any good, for any one."
 
Hi Spacejunk, thanks for the comprehensive response & you have certainly provided me with greater insight into a forum such as this. I have to point out though, that I don't have any "concerns" as such, I am merely curious why (what I can only assume) non-medical laymen would want to discuss a particularly vilified social tabu such as meth-amphetamine in such a cavalier manner when ultimately all such 'discussion' once submitted can never be retracted. And further, then post of images of it! is this like an educational forum, or again am I missing the point?

The picture's are normally added through an external site for safety of the posters. As far as discussion and this forum is concerned, whilst it meth definitely has it's taboo about it. For most users (at least in Australia, I know the meth situation in the U.S is a lot more serious atm) it's a drug that is used semi-regularly. I for example rarely take the drug (less then once a month), but I do very much enjoy it's use. But it's sites like this that made me realise it's dangers and strengths when I first started using it. Going off the information provided from politicians and police officers is almost always one sided. It highlights all of the potential problems without stating any real statistics so there is a lot of confusion about how bad for you a drug really is, this website provided me with the information and questions I had on the topic. If websites like this were unavailable I still would have tried this drug, but I would be getting incomplete information, completely one sided info from the police/politicians and completely one sided information from dealers.

This way I found out all the real information about certain drugs, and have used in my life and so far I have never had a problem with drugs, nor do I believe that I ever will. I've never gotten sick from a drug and I've never been addicted to a drug and I believe I've had quantities that have left NO permanent damage. I owe this to websites like this. I've had some of the most fun times I've had on drugs, and seeing they are yet to cause me any harm, as far as photo's are concerned, I guess a big part of it is that many of us bluelighter see our drug use as a hobby, and as a hobby photo's of different drugs at time can be enjoyable to see. It's never large quantities and from a Harm Reduction point of view, whilst it may be minimal if someone claims to have had a good time on a piece of shard and the photo backs up the quality, headdahs for example is very glass looking (see through and not cloudy or powdery) which implies a higher quality.

I'm very curious about your opening statement
studying commercialization of the internet & the potential death of open forums such as this (for the time being...)
. What exactly does this imply? potential death of open forums? Is this currently being looked into seriously? To what ends? This website's focus is reduction of harm, I can see how people who aren't passionate about the topic may get it confused, but this website helps a lot of people but if there is to be a death of open forums I think this website would fall under such a ban, although as far as I know this isn't possible because this is on a russian server.

Oops... just realised this was a reply to the first page not the latest lulz
 
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I threw up my lunch last weekend after havin a badpuppy shot of meth.. Also threw up my breakfast prior to that thanks to PST so I literally had no food for the whole weekend.. I was spewin
 
MINION:

Where is the evidence that methylamphetamine is being cut with 4-MAR? Please enlighten me. The precursor for 4-MAR is phenylpropanolamine (PPA), which is pseudoephedrine without a methyl group on the amine part of PPA. It is used very rarely in pharmaceuticals in Australia and I cannot see there being a large supply of it. If someone is going to import large quantities of 4-MAR, which I doubt exist, then it must be for a particular purpose beyond being a cutting agent, and such people are likely to have the connections to import high purity methylamphetamine, so why bother?

I have been involved with stimulants for 14 years and I don't believe I have come across 4-MAR ever. I also know someone who has seen thousands upon thousands of government lab test results for seized crsytalline/"ice-like" substances and NOT ONCE did the lab ever confirm a sample to be 4-MAR. It is rare beyond belief.

There are certain batches circulating occasionally in Adelaide, generally after a big pseudo bust, the ice you get will be cut with 4-MAR. In theory an active cut is a great idea, but after the first day or two it really sucks. I don't have any proof that it's 4-MAR, like, I've never had it lab tested. I should have said "my opinion is that there is definately meth cut with 4-mar." I am certain it's 4-MAR. I've had straight 4-mar, I can tell the difference. EG: when I get some, i dose, then don't redose for 12 hours because I haven't felt like it (Normally I redose every hour), then after a couple days I get a slump even with redosing, so I eat, then BAM it's like I ate a shitload of tyrosine. Normally eating a big feed after a couple days on MA will make me sleep (I don't eat for days at a time). Plus: 4-mar gives me a really good memory boost....

Look. the point remains I don't have evidence, but TRUST my word, please, that there IS meth out there cut with 4-mar. Sometimes it's up around 20% even.
I really hope another adelaidian backs me up.
 
There are certain batches circulating occasionally in Adelaide, generally after a big pseudo bust, the ice you get will be cut with 4-MAR. In theory an active cut is a great idea, but after the first day or two it really sucks. I don't have any proof that it's 4-MAR, like, I've never had it lab tested. I should have said "my opinion is that there is definately meth cut with 4-mar." I am certain it's 4-MAR. I've had straight 4-mar, I can tell the difference. EG: when I get some, i dose, then don't redose for 12 hours because I haven't felt like it (Normally I redose every hour), then after a couple days I get a slump even with redosing, so I eat, then BAM it's like I ate a shitload of tyrosine. Normally eating a big feed after a couple days on MA will make me sleep (I don't eat for days at a time). Plus: 4-mar gives me a really good memory boost....

Look. the point remains I don't have evidence, but TRUST my word, please, that there IS meth out there cut with 4-mar. Sometimes it's up around 20% even.
I really hope another adelaidian backs me up.

^^This. I have had straight 4-MAR too and there is definitely meth cut with it in Adelaide, I've heard of it being in Perth too. 4-MAR also gives me far more sweat, clench and anxiety compared to good ol' methamp.
 
*agrees with the 2 above posts*

I've had both pure 4mar and meth with 4mar in it as well.
I have to agree you do notice the subtle difference after 2-3day benders you find that because its cut with 4mar, theres less dopaminic effect = you get less energy and awakeness from it :)
 
I threw up my lunch last weekend after havin a badpuppy shot of meth.. Also threw up my breakfast prior to that thanks to PST so I literally had no food for the whole weekend.. I was spewin

siiiiick, mate!;)

must have been a good shot to have you spewing. i've been on the verge of spewing after shots of high quality gear and have had to look after mates who have. it's not pretty until they come round.

minion said:
Look. the point remains I don't have evidence, but TRUST my word, please, that there IS meth out there cut with 4-mar. Sometimes it's up around 20% even.
I really hope another adelaidian backs me up.

so we're meant to take your word for it AND you even know what %age of 4-mar is in there:?8( if you've proof from lab testing, sure. but otherwise it's still speculation no matter what, sorry.
 
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That's fair enough guys, I can understand your skepticism. If the roles were reversed I'd be skeptical too. :)
I'll change my statement to this: I know there's definitely 4-mar in some batches, as when it's a high enough concentration I can tell by the change in effects, and I've also been informed by people who know about what chemical composition the shard is comprised of, as to the 4-mar content.

It doesn't matter that much really, I wasn't trying to start a point of contention or anything, I was just sharing a point I thought people would be interested to hear but I guess I can't break too far away from what's socially accepted as true next time.

I can't help feel (though somewhat rightfully) I'm being taken less than seriously because I'm a greenlighter. That's fair enough, but it's still a bit of a shame I have to wait a couple hundred posts or more before anything I say isn't instantly dismissed.
 
don't worry, mate. those of us with half a clue don't discriminate against greenlighters. i wasn't looking for an argument either:)

i take everyone's word with a grain of salt equally;)
 
Will d-meth give you that more clean feeling where it almost feels like your not even on a drug? got that feeling last week after two days just felt like I'd gotten up after a loong nice sleep, in the perfect state.

D-methylmethamphetamine is the psychoactive compound in both freebase and hcl forms of "meth". Generally, HCL is more of the dextrorotationary stereo-isomer and less of the levorotationary, as crystallizing a racemic compound is challenging in the best case scenario, impossible in the worst. Imagine trying to stack a pile of two types of objects the mirror image of each other, it'd be hard. IF they're the same shape perfectly, they'll stack nicer and in relevance to my point, form better crystals. (Note: this is also why really good base oil will have small crystals in it, the high dextro content. yummy). Ergo, with ice having more of the active chemical, logically there is less impurities left over from the cook. This is partially why ice commonly gives you a nice clean stimmed feeling as opposed to base / oil's "rushy" feeling. As a matter of interest, I believe the rest of the difference lies in that the freebase form is D-N-Methylmethamphetamine, whereas ice is D-Methylmethamphetamine hydrochloride. I'm trying to figure out what that stray "N" is, and the effect it has. This last part, about the N, is only what I have been able to discern, I haven't seen it in writing so feel free to correct me.

L-meth doesn't cross the blood brain barrier, hence it doesn't get you high. It does, however give you a body load still, and that's why base (which is generally more racemic than ice) has more of the jaw clench and shit.

So back to your original point, I don't know what you're comparing d-meth to. D-meth will give you a much more clean feeling than L-meth, it will give you a less clean feeling than a turkey salad, and it'll give you a much better feeling than methcathinone. Be specific when making a comparison please xoxo.
 
Oh, but you will definately feel like you're on a drug with D-meth. D-meth is more pronounced than d-amp, which on low doses I find to be little more than a caffeine pill glorified.
 
I suggest you go back to studying your chemistry Minion, that "stray" N means the methyl group is attached to a nitrogen. I think you have confused alpha-methyl-N-methyl-phenethylamine with above chemical names.
 
Thought this thread was lacking a few pictures toward the end there so i figured I would show off too.
I dried up for 7 months, just picked up some from the same person...not much has changed as you can imagine. Anyway I didnt know whether to be surprised or should have anticipated the same, if not very similar to the product that is everywhere out here. Of course every stingy tweekers got his pure stashed somewhere. Anway I pick up the shards, take a look and the look is perfect, rough, rocky like, only thing if there are greasy as fuck! Now normally I wouldn't just throw up some pics, but I couldn't help brag. On a hunt, along comes bigfoot. Dude speaks English and everything, says pass that bowlo over here and let me show you how to hoot. Long story short, he was hardcore enough to cut his hand off for me as a souvineer.
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