Methamphetamine Discussion Thread

[Mr Blonde]

Brisbane is notorious for terrible quality meth; also really common here is that 'base' crap, which looks like brown sugar and is most likely a little bit of meth and impurities mixed with glucose or something. Pretty popular for those IV'ing it for some reason... if I were IV'ing I'd want something of a LOT higher quality!

 

[RioBravo]

Brisbane is notorious for terrible quality meth; also really common here is that 'base' crap, which looks like brown sugar and is most likely a little bit of meth and impurities mixed with glucose or something. Pretty popular for those IV'ing it for some reason... if I were IV'ing I'd want something of a LOT higher quality!

Basically sums it up. I moved here from Tasmania, and dare I say it the stuff down there was 10x as good. I've had a fair bit around different places of the world and I would still highly rate the purity of the shard down there. Up here it's all highly cut and fairly weak. Not to mention expensive. My dealer/s peddle that brown sugar shit for the same reason, most of their "clients" IV it. However that's not my style so instead I get stuck with attempting to smoke the crap.

 

[gooduser]

Gooduser I am intrrested to know if after smoking for that length of time youve experienced any health proplems you would directly relate to your use?

I've been scoring from the same guy for over 4 years now. The stuff I have at the moment is pretty good. But yeah the quality goes up and down. If I get a couple of points and it's gone in a couple of hrs I don't rate it. If I can have a decent pipe, then put it down and get doing other things for a few hrs I know it's ok.

I'm trying to reduce my intake to a couple of points a fortnight, on payday. Got paid last night and since the stuff I got last night was good I grabbed more today.. Now my goal is no more for two weeks. Mmm we'll see.

Hey popeyes mate


Good question... The flip side to my usage over that time is that it has definitely affected me health wise.

Let me start right off with from my honeymoon period I’ve always understood drugs can be risky. I read as much information as I could find on everything I was taking, from as many sources and as varied as possible. I think starting using in NZ where because the scene is so much smaller and underground helped me immensely as well. In NZ users educate & look out for new users a lot

I've always tried to eat as healthy as possible, exercise, I take multi vits & fish oil caps, some 5-htp here and there keep my brain challenged. All that has probably helped heaps.

Different drugs have had different effects on me, as far as damage done from smoking shard I am pretty much ok except my teeth are fucked.

Ironically and luckily everyone comments on my nice straight teeth (about once a week at least) Nice as in the front teeth look great, look closer and you can see my grinding have literally ground them perfectly straight. My rear teeth however have been riddled with holes. This was mostly done in the two or so years smoking in NZ, about one month after moving to Melb I got the most intense pain all day & all night. I went to a dentist who said I need 8 fillings and a root canal, possibly 2 root canals if I didn't get one filling then and there.

From the front you wouldn't even notice and so I work hard to look after them now so I don't look like some meth mouth poster child. Always have brushed once a day but and almost in the habit of twice a day now. and ALWAYS after a shard binge or mid binge if needed.

I've had some mental health problems from time to time. Periods of depression and anxiety, anxiety attacks etc. I always felt conflicted when I was depressed because I would get so so low but in the back of my mind I knew I was still the same awesome funny guy, beat myself for knowing I was him and not being able to be him then turn it around be back on form and more me than ever. This went in cycles in various forms. I'm happy I now know I can pull myself out of any hole, mind of matter for sure & am feeling pretty good these days :D

One thing I don't understand is all my usage and the sleep deprivation hasn't aged me like I thought it would. I'm 30 now but easily pass for 24 - 26. Don't get that at all.


How is your health going? I read about your leg and foot... totally see a doctor if it persists even if it's only when you use. I figure if it worries you get it checked


I'm pretty much just buying 1 - 3 points every fortnight at the moment. Have being self controlled with it but not perfect. I like to test myself to see how long I can hold onto it without tapping into some, just so I know I can. The fiend definitely comes out for the occasional appearance with out a doubt.


When you said 'am I addicted? Like, what the fuck does that even mean.' I instantly thought, I totally get that.

Thought that myself a bit now time to time... think maybe we a similar to an extent. I have been paying off bills for the last year and don’t have much spare money, just getting by, when I need to be responsible for rent or bills or even if a mate just really needed money I would be there but shard def eats a lot of my cash. Won't be such a big problem in a couple of months once I get a new job but I'm feeling it now.

I figure because I can always manage to handle any bad shit that happens in my life, I’m not at the point I need to worry. Although I'm always aiming to be back to where I can use and still live how I would like to live, stupid simple stuff like go out for dinners, buy new clothes or go on a holiday now and then.

I may miss on some good things but I won't let myself dig a hole, and sometimes if I do start to dig down I pull my shit together cause its either that or give up in my eyes. I literally say that to myself. Sort my shit or give up on myself. Easy choice

Oh yeah and drugs make me ramble a lot obviously.

Onit.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Interesting post, gooduser. It's nice to hear that when you first started in NZ you found yourself with people who helped each other out.

 

[claire22]

Hey popeyes mate


Good question... The flip side to my usage over that time is that it has definitely affected me health wise.

Let me start right off with from my honeymoon period I’ve always understood drugs can be risky. I read as much information as I could find on everything I was taking, from as many sources and as varied as possible. I think starting using in NZ where because the scene is so much smaller and underground helped me immensely as well. In NZ users educate & look out for new users a lot

I've always tried to eat as healthy as possible, exercise, I take multi vits & fish oil caps, some 5-htp here and there keep my brain challenged. All that has probably helped heaps.

Different drugs have had different effects on me, as far as damage done from smoking shard I am pretty much ok except my teeth are fucked.

Ironically and luckily everyone comments on my nice straight teeth (about once a week at least) Nice as in the front teeth look great, look closer and you can see my grinding have literally ground them perfectly straight. My rear teeth however have been riddled with holes. This was mostly done in the two or so years smoking in NZ, about one month after moving to Melb I got the most intense pain all day & all night. I went to a dentist who said I need 8 fillings and a root canal, possibly 2 root canals if I didn't get one filling then and there.

From the front you wouldn't even notice and so I work hard to look after them now so I don't look like some meth mouth poster child. Always have brushed once a day but and almost in the habit of twice a day now. and ALWAYS after a shard binge or mid binge if needed.

I've had some mental health problems from time to time. Periods of depression and anxiety, anxiety attacks etc. I always felt conflicted when I was depressed because I would get so so low but in the back of my mind I knew I was still the same awesome funny guy, beat myself for knowing I was him and not being able to be him then turn it around be back on form and more me than ever. This went in cycles in various forms. I'm happy I now know I can pull myself out of any hole, mind of matter for sure & am feeling pretty good these days :D

One thing I don't understand is all my usage and the sleep deprivation hasn't aged me like I thought it would. I'm 30 now but easily pass for 24 - 26. Don't get that at all.

man i can so relate to this.
i was a user for 7 years, 5 of them daily use, clean for almost 3 now.
people didn't even believe it, i looked youthful as fuck, just didn't seem to affect me physically as much as it does others. admittedly my skin wasn't too flash, sullen complexion, sunken eyes, torn up lips, but nothing too drastic. my teeth looked good - but inside not so much, when i finally went to the dentist i needed several root canals, one removal and so many bloody fillings i lost count. i was always conscious of my appearance though and took good care of my teeth, hair and nails.

never judge a junkie by their appearance.

just a final word on internal health and meth usage - if you're a full on addict, please get your kidney function checked. i won't even go into how completely and utterly fucked up mine was after years of abuse. the worst part is you don't even notice. please get it checked! if i'd continued the way i was going i'd probably be dead.

 

[serta]

Really? I seen a thread on here not like 4 days ago that was discussing how hard it is to find ice in Brisbane currently and that it's all too easy to find green/yellow smokeable speed. Whoever is sorting you out, definitely keep it that way haha.

Only lived here for like 8 weeks. Seems hard to find shard currently, so sad losing all my old hookups.

But yeah, "footscrazy" nailed it. basically a smokeable speed, has the effects of Methamphetamine to a point. However it's a bit smackier. And oddly more expensive. My experience here is that "gas" refers to that. However as I just said, only been here 8 weeks. So probably take my word with a grain of salt.

I may know what you're talking about, actually. Is it like, a bit of clumpy crystal with a yellowish tinge to it? Looks nothing like shard. If so, yeah that shit is just terrible smokable goey. And you're right in saying there's no differentiation by the salesman.

Ask a couple of your old mates that you can trust to respond with gospel. In this city gear is so off and on that I don't expect it to last. But yeah, recently I've had a nice little spike of good quality ice it seems.

 

[headdah]

Footsy: Yatch/Yutch is a slang some of my friends use for Ice/Shards.

where have you heard those slangs from?

oh and I'd never think I'd ever say this.

Actual draught in Shardy's here in A-town too aiye.

have been none to source for about 2weeks now.

Maybe the piggers are actually doing some fine police work aiye.

 

[RioBravo]

I may know what you're talking about, actually. Is it like, a bit of clumpy crystal with a yellowish tinge to it? Looks nothing like shard. If so, yeah that shit is just terrible smokable goey. And you're right in saying there's no differentiation by the salesman.

Ask a couple of your old mates that you can trust to respond with gospel. In this city gear is so off and on that I don't expect it to last. But yeah, recently I've had a nice little spike of good quality ice it seems.

Yeah that's the one. Stains the pipe, tastes bitter. Weird shit. Gets you going a bit but I just don't see a point in paying more for something that I enjoy significantly less.

I'm supposed to be picking up some rock very shortly. I will let you know of the quality. I have already been around and given many "no"'s to that sticky shit.

I keep saying I just need to find that guy in Brisbane and then I will be fine. However from what you're saying it sounds like no matter who I have it will be a hassle to source most of the time?

Back home I just knew the guy directly and he would just have snap-lock freezer bags full sitting around and he would just top you up as you discussed your purchase. If one freezer bag ran out he would make a call and have another there in like 10 minutes.... Those were the days.

 

[footscrazy]

Footsy: Yatch/Yutch is a slang some of my friends use for Ice/Shards.

where have you heard those slangs from?

In my early days of using, 2003/2004, my friends and I were using that term 'yatch', these blokes always told me they invented it. Apparently it's an Italian dialiect word that means 'ice'. Don't know whether that's true or not, but these guys do have a new word for the shit every time I speak to them. Over the years I noticed the term 'yatch' becoming more widespread and when I heard some Melb guys from the Southeast using it I told my old mates and they got a bit of a giggle out of that. They'd be truly chuffed it they did invent it and now its spread Aus wide.

 

[headdah]

bahahahah!.

Now that is gold.

my mates, that uses the term Yatch/Yutch, they do have a melbourne connection etc, think their cousins/nephews etc etc lives over there.

So maybe your friends did invent the slang back in the days and now the word has spread to A-town.

hmm. *note to self* Must Invent a new slang word by the end of the weekend and make it spread!

 

[somebloke]

'gas' is about to saturate the market imo. the dealers i know have limited supply of nice shards, but are getting offers of MDPV/Pentadrone/4P which is all smokable but not selling well based off the taste of the smoke.

they are using these as cutting agents. the strength/purity can go up. And many like the buzz, but it can feel at first more mellow and more of a head-fuck than pure shards. But the ugly side is redosing is more prevalent and even after the residual speediness has worn off the PV can keep you horribly away for ages.

 

[Nozphexezora]

I decided not to go with the 'gas'. It just seemed too dodgy for the price my mate was asking. I figured I'd end up with some powdered brown meth that's cut to the crap, anyway.

 

[Mr Blonde]

they are using these as cutting agents.

If that's true that's fucked up.

 

[serta]

Yeah that's the one. Stains the pipe, tastes bitter. Weird shit. Gets you going a bit but I just don't see a point in paying more for something that I enjoy significantly less.

I'm supposed to be picking up some rock very shortly. I will let you know of the quality. I have already been around and given many "no"'s to that sticky shit.

I keep saying I just need to find that guy in Brisbane and then I will be fine. However from what you're saying it sounds like no matter who I have it will be a hassle to source most of the time?

Back home I just knew the guy directly and he would just have snap-lock freezer bags full sitting around and he would just top you up as you discussed your purchase. If one freezer bag ran out he would make a call and have another there in like 10 minutes.... Those were the days.

When I get the funds together I'll probably be getting onto some more shard. See how we go. Umm, it doesn't seem like a hassle to source so much, my brother knows 2-3 people, a couple of mates of mine have a few hookups and I have my jandhi mate who hooked us up with gear. One day when getting on he actually just asked me if I was after any speed. He hooked me up with this so called base you speak of. I was pretty disappointed, but I rang him back a few weeks later but I asked him if he could hook me up with any gear. After the typical fuckaround I got onto some pretty decent ice. Since then I ring up the dude he hooked me up with.

But yeah, I'm sure it's out there. The dealers who aren't sketchy but seem to know a fair few cunts coming round their house etc. They tend to mentally deposit that shit for a rainy day.
I don't think the cooks and whatnot are anxious for a fuckload of new customers because it gets more and more risky.

I had a tiny puff just before work, I'll leave out the specifics, but my mate's gear just really felt average. It was shard, but just mediocre. So I'm hoping to get ahold of the dude I go through at the moment and make him not stop for anything silly like work, children, employment, life...

Let you know how I get on. Really tripped me out how prominent that stuff is and that it pretty much is being peddled as gear. Gives me the shits.

 

[footscrazy]

'gas' is about to saturate the market imo. the dealers i know have limited supply of nice shards, but are getting offers of MDPV/Pentadrone/4P which is all smokable but not selling well based off the taste of the smoke.

they are using these as cutting agents. the strength/purity can go up. And many like the buzz, but it can feel at first more mellow and more of a head-fuck than pure shards. But the ugly side is redosing is more prevalent and even after the residual speediness has worn off the PV can keep you horribly away for ages.

I'm actually surprised selling random stimulant RCs as 'speed' isn't already more prevalent.

I can imagine that MDPV doesn't sell well disguised as 'speed' though, as it burns rather than vapes, and any meth smoker would immediately pick it.

 

[OND43X]

Footsy: Yatch/Yutch is a slang some of my friends use for Ice/Shards.

where have you heard those slangs from?

oh and I'd never think I'd ever say this.

Actual draught in Shardy's here in A-town too aiye.

have been none to source for about 2weeks now.

Maybe the piggers are actually doing some fine police work aiye.

serious man?!?! bad luck. adelaide and sydney seem to be the main crystal cities in aust thats why it does seem rather odd... here in sydney (for me) its always the same.

 

[Rolling Sly]

I rarely ever encounter "gas". Through my main people its always rock and I'm no expert but it seems to be quality. Some people swear by gas being a better high, I never understood it. Maybe my understanding is wrong, but it's just cut gear.. Why not pay for premium, and inhale or ingest less shit with your gear. Maybe its just a placebo thing for people, where it appears they are doing more of it, I really dont know.

(Brisbane by the way)

 

[OND43X]

Basically sums it up. I moved here from Tasmania, and dare I say it the stuff down there was 10x as good. I've had a fair bit around different places of the world and I would still highly rate the purity of the shard down there. Up here it's all highly cut and fairly weak. Not to mention expensive. My dealer/s peddle that brown sugar shit for the same reason, most of their "clients" IV it. However that's not my style so instead I get stuck with attempting to smoke the crap.

Maybe you just havent gotten into the right circles yet mate. living in tassy for years would have gotten you the 'inner circle' down there... im not doubting you on quality its just from a distribution view brisbane's crystal would seem to need to cross fewer hands to meet the end user than tas. maybe in tas its more of a niche market where everyone knows each other so to speak and due to its already extreme cost, it would be more idiotic for the dealers down there to cut their stuff heaps cos of this, sort of how the cocaine market was for many years.

 

[PeacePipeChief]

I rarely ever encounter "gas". Through my main people its always rock and I'm no expert but it seems to be quality. Some people swear by gas being a better high, I never understood it. Maybe my understanding is wrong, but it's just cut gear.. Why not pay for premium, and inhale or ingest less shit with your gear. Maybe its just a placebo thing for people, where it appears they are doing more of it, I really dont know.

(Brisbane by the way)

real gas is amphetamine not methamphetamine , in which the high is much cleaner feeling and not so intense and wired feeling , it is really nice but i still like meth better . but generally all the 'gas' ull encounter now is just like 20% or less meth -.- where as normal meth is generally around 80% (statistic i read in a booklet obviously the purity varies highly)

 

[OND43X]

real gas is amphetamine not methamphetamine , in which the high is much cleaner feeling and not so intense and wired feeling , it is really nice but i still like meth better . but generally all the 'gas' ull encounter now is just like 20% or less meth -.- where as normal meth is generally around 80% (statistic i read in a booklet obviously the purity varies highly)

theres no such thing as a 'real' gas or speed etc. as they as street slang terms they can mean totally different things in different countries/states/cities and even suburbs within a city. methamp makes up the majority of speed/gas/whip (whatever its called) here in australia (around 95% ) and no one without a gc/ms style kit would be able to really say what chemical they were actually sold, there is no right or wrong or 'real' slang for street drugs.