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Goodnight! Benzos make the comedown waaaaay less. I don't even get comedowns anymore. However stupidly the other night I thought I had a full bottle of clonazepam 2mg, half a bottle of 5mg diazepam and a few strips of 2.5mg lorazepam only to discover I left my back at a mates plus he had just gone to work. Wasn't happy Jan. Thatss the first time I've had a real comedown in years. Like when I first started before discovering the beauty of benzos!
 
I find the buzz you get from smoking ice second to none and the come down is way cleaner than when i've used god knows what ingredients /potency ecstasy pills in the past. I try to embrace the come down by getting a sensual rub and tug massage 12-14 hours after i've first smoked the meth. I'm not sure about women but a male orgasm is so intense and satisfying when your in the middle of a come down. A few beers also help deal with a come down and IME a couple of beers to take the edge off is way less problematic than becoming a heavy benzo user. From what i read online benzo withdrawal is worse than opiate withdrawal which is saying something .

Don't get me wrong andyturbo if i could get access to some benzo's the day after i've used meth i would love it but i don't handle the temptation of having a stash of benzo's at home well. The times i've managed to get my hands on some Valium i go through them in literally a few days seeing as i love that floaty benzo feeling even if i haven't been using meth. I guess self-control is not my middle name but when it comes to hooking up meth for a session i only ever get enough to keep me awake for the one night.
 
Hey all, just after some advice from some of the experienced aussie tweakers out there..

I'm 21, living in Adelaide, addicted to meth and I'm suicidal.

I've fallen back into pretty much everyday use since the start of the year after meeting a new girl that smokes too. Was keeping use to around every 3-4 weeks last year.
Moved to Adelaide from Country Vic last year to try and make a fresh start for myself, hasn't worked.

Anyway, got charged with aggravated robbery 3 weeks ago and I haven't showed up for work in 2 weeks. I couldn't pay rent this week. Picked up half a ball Sunday night just so I could live this week, smoked the whole bag to myself instead and ended up just doing all that tweaky OCD fucked up shit for the last four days. I think I've only slept two or three nights in the last fortnight.

I've pretty much been trying to quit to since I was offered it at work when I was 18 because we were doing 12-14hr shifts at the time.
I don't want to live the rest of my life if I can't get off shard, it's such a selfish thing to do and makes my friends and family's lives absolute hell. I don't want to put them through anymore than I already have. I wish I could I just stop doing drugs and live the life that I had imagined for myself when I was younger. But I can't stop, and I can't financially afford rehab.

There's only one way I'm going to be able to stop unfortunately.
I hope some other young person see's this and decides not to touch the pipe, because it's just not worth it, fucking your whole life.

Bye,
-losing hope
 
Dude, you're so young.
I stopped using meth about your age - over 10 years later, and i've not looked back.

If there is one thing meth comedowns are good for, it is the creation of suicidal states of mind.
You can overcome this - you don't actually need it to function; that is just something that the addictive nature reinforces, by depriving you of sleep and proper nutition, and leaving you feeling fucking drained - and needing methamphetamine to pick you up.

This physical and mental exhaustion is known as anhedonia.
You're lacking motivation, concentration and energy - and feeling depressed, right?

What you need to do is spend a bit of time without getting on the gear.
Eat some good healthy meals. Hydrate your body, and catch up on some sleep.
There are actually plenty of ways to overcome this - and once you have had a little time since your last binge, you will start feeling natural energy and like your old self again.
Take it from someone who has been there - you lose perspective when you're up to your eyeballs in meth.

But you can dig your way out of this hole. Just gotta take it one step at a time.

Just lay down the meth for a bit (or at least cut down...) and sleep, eat, sleep....repeat. You get the picture.
Lots of people here have been in the same position.
And you can sort it out. Hell, you have your best years still to come :)

Welcome to bluelight.
 
Meth is the worst drug in the world to have ever happened. Remember, for those of you my age, the heroin warnings way back that once you try it you're hooked? Well, for years I was able to do H without becoming a junkie. I smoked meth once, and I'm a narcotic person, and I kept smoking it for about 2-3 years. 4 days in a row awake, no food, take another puff why don't you. Talk about turning a personality ugly. It's like watching the wolfman transformation. One day you were a nice guy, the next you'll break into your best friends lock box to get some meth. STAY AWAY FROM IT. That's the only drug I have ever said that about.
 
Anhedonia is more the lack of being able to feel pleasure, it's the opposite of hedonism. You made your body rely on feeling good from a drug for so long that if long enough, you actually stand the chance of never getting the dopamine flowing ever again. Usually it will return, but I spent a life time on drugs to feel good. Since I gave most of them up, I had no idea what it's truly like to feel good. Except when there's a good narcotic available. Do yourself and your friends and family, while you have them, a big favor and stay away from the shit. It's the hardest habit to quit.
 
Went from Valium to Xanax to Ativan and back to Xanax. Been taking them for over 25 years. Going through a real rough patch, the kind where you really wish you had that old heroin connection you have almost 40 yrs. ago. He (Dr.) switched me up to Clon. Nice, I gotta say. Of course, the Norco for the back don't hurt, and there's still some Xanax to throw in. What I'd really appreciate are some dilaudid again, it's been ages. But there's a certain manner of administering dilaudid that puts you on friggin' cloud nine in no time. Anyone familiar with T's & Blues. Great, but much shorter acting heroin effect. Now I'm going back to the very late 70's and early 80's. At $10 a hit, $50 was well worth it.
 
Hey spacejunk & pudman thanks for the replies.
Got some sleep, food and powerade in last night. Went down for about 12 hours and feeling a little better today.

Yeah I've definitely been experiencing anhedonia since I had my first proper rush, no enjoyment from sports or anything I used really enjoy doing. Sex is still okay, but sometimes can feel a little laborious and all I think about how much better it is when you're smoking ice. Don't get that special connection with girls anymore and I miss it.

I've read a lot about recovery and I've actively been trying properly for the last maybe 12 months, but I'm just in a seemingly unbreakable cycle. I'll get off it for maybe 3 or 4 weeks and suddenly it'll feel like it's not even a problem anymore and that I'm in control. So I always end up going to pick up a bag and the cycle restarts.

I'm aware of the dopamine receptor downregulation and the extremely long time of abstinence from meth needed to have any real chance of the brain repairing itself, but yeah I'll get to that 1 month off stage to just fuck up again and continue on being a slave to this fucking drug and I've had enough.. I dunno what to do anymore, I've always been depressed and was diagnosed when I was younger, before I started taking drugs. Just really running out of energy and motivation constantly fighting a losing battle with my own mind and definitely still contemplating if it's even worth the struggle anymore, because I feel like if I was to break the cycle I would have done it by now.. End of last year I attempted, drove way out into the bush going on dark so I wouldn't be found and taped up hoses going from the exhaust into the windows and sealed it all up airtight. Got back in, started the car back up, put some soft music music on and closed my eyes and waited to fall asleep. Anyway a couple of hours later I woke up dizzy and feeling sick as fuck, jumped out and seen that the exhaust had melted the cloth tape and all the fumes had been escaping. Drove home and never told anyone about it
 
losing hope said:
I've read a lot about recovery and I've actively been trying properly for the last maybe 12 months, but I'm just in a seemingly unbreakable cycle. I'll get off it for maybe 3 or 4 weeks and suddenly it'll feel like it's not even a problem anymore and that I'm in control. So I always end up going to pick up a bag and the cycle restarts.

I'm aware of the dopamine receptor downregulation and the extremely long time of abstinence from meth needed to have any real chance of the brain repairing itself, but yeah I'll get to that 1 month off stage to just fuck up again and continue on being a slave to this fucking drug and I've had enough.. I dunno what to do anymore, I've always been depressed and was diagnosed when I was younger, before I started taking drugs. Just really running out of energy and motivation constantly fighting a losing battle with my own mind and definitely still contemplating if it's even worth the struggle anymore, because I feel like if I was to break the cycle I would have done it by now..
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That sounds pretty dire man.
The bits i highlighted stood out to me because i think they illustrate why meth is addictive for a lot of people that get heavily into it - you start feeling so lost/demotivated/unhappy without it, that you feel like it's an important part of your ability to function.
The thing is, though, that it is the meth that has made you feel like this to start with. Your natural balance has been thrown out of whack - and it feels permanent.
But i know plenty of people who have recovered from heavy meth use, and all of them have said that it feels permanent and insurmountable - but it isn't.

Really, a month is quite a short period of abstinence in the scheme of things.
I know that when i stopped using meth, the first month was the toughest, and things only got better from there.
But i think your brain chemistry is only going to be beginning to normalise after one month if you've been using for a while.
The worst is over, but the adhedonia tends to hang around for a while.
It shouldnt be permanent - and there are steps you can take towards dealing with it.

Have you ever sought help from a drug counselling service?

I used to use a lot of opiates, and found the help i got from a local drug and alcohol support service here in perth completely invaluable when i kicked the habit after years of addiction.

Cognitive behavioural therapy can be really helpful in overcoming addiction, especially if you have serious depression issues underneath it - which it appears you do, if your suicide attempt is any indication.

We are lucky in australia, as there is help available (for free).
Not every one is so fortunate - most americans cant afford to go to rehab or detox services.
I think you can definitely quit using meth, and there are services available to help you do so. You're not alone - lots of us have been through this shit.
The key is though, ultimately not to lose hope.

There are plently of people on bluelight who can relate and support you, if you want to reach out.
It feels impossible - that's the nature of addiction - but you can regain control of your life, man.
 
Went to the dr last year for help and she prescribed me a ssri anti d and a benzo I can't recall the name of, and she made an appointment with a counsellour but I never ended up going, I dunno why I couldn't make myself go, I just couldn't..

Do you reckon you'd be able to pm a link or phone number to a rehab service in south australia? I've had bit of a look around but can't really anything that isn't privately owned and likely not affordable for me. I don't want to ask my parents to help pay in case I fuck up again. I'm happy enough to wait a few months to get in or whatever.

Thanks mate
 
I have a question/ concern my best friend tried Meth for the first time today, she put two small crystals in her coffee she said. How long does the high last for and should I keep an eye on her. She said she feels really twitchy. I know it effects people differently. She woke up with a really bad migraine this morning and I thought she was taking medicine till I noticed a difference in her. She's able to sleep though and everything that I have research so far say it's hard to sleep. Should I be worried. Please help
 
New here!

Hello all! I'm new. I'm 44 woman been doing meth off and on for about 5 years (give or take). When I do it I like to vape about 1.5 and coast and be awake for 24 hours then finally catch a couple hours of sleep.

What are your experiences?
 
Hey guys, welcome to bluelight :)
BML, there are no hard-and-vast rules about drugs and sleeiping - some people can sleep a reasonably short time after using meth; it really depends a lot on the person, the dosage, etc etc etc
As for "keeping an eye on her" - watching out for her isnt a bad idea, but generally speaking, it is unlikely her life is in immediate danger from overdose or anything like that. I wouldn't stress about it.

Feeling twitchy is fairly normal for people on (or coming down from) amphetamine generally - but if you notice anything particularly worrying, i would seek medical assistance. Just use your best judgement, is the best advice i can really offer...

losing hope said:
Do you reckon you'd be able to pm a link or phone number to a rehab service in south australia? I've had bit of a look around but can't really anything that isn't privately owned and likely not affordable for me.
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I have done a quick search, and found a couple of places that seem to fit this description - but i wonder if any of the South Australian crew here have experience with drug and alcohol services in Adelaide and can recommend somewhere?

If not, i'll list what i can find so you can take a look at it, but it would be nice if anyone with a better knowledge of Adelaide drug rehab/detox places could give some feedback?
 
losing hope said:
Do you reckon you'd be able to pm a link or phone number to a rehab service in south australia? I've had bit of a look around but can't really anything that isn't privately owned and likely not affordable for me. I don't want to ask my parents to help pay in case I fuck up again. I'm happy enough to wait a few months to get in or whatever.

Thanks mate
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This website should have some phone numbers on it that can offer you some advice and help.

http://www.sahealth.sa.gov.au/wps/w...et/Health+services/Drug+and+alcohol+services/

Also try googling NA meetings south australia. The Narcotics anonymous life style isn't for everyone long term but a NA meeting can be a good first stop for getting help to find a free community rehab.
 
^ thanks Boku, that's brilliant. Cheers!

All the best, losing hope. There is a big community of people here who understand what you're going through. I think it's fair to say that depression and addiction are pretty common problems for people on bluelight generally - so there are plenty of people to talk to if ot helps.

In particular, the subforum Recovery Support is specifically dedicated to helping people facing the kind of issues you are dealing with.
You're not alone, mate - plenty of us have been in situations similar to what you are going through - and there is support available when you need it. Take care :)
 
Makiekins said:
Hello all! I'm new. I'm 44 woman been doing meth off and on for about 5 years (give or take). When I do it I like to vape about 1.5 and coast and be awake for 24 hours then finally catch a couple hours of sleep.

What are your experiences?
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Pretty similar to you Makiekins, i've only been dabbling in smoking meth for about 16 months and i smoke about .2 or .3 in a session and that keeps me going for about 24 hours and i find it a cruisey and easy going experience for the most part seeing as i am yet to go overboard and indulge in smoking too much meth. What i mean by smoking too much meth the way a meth user ends up being awake for 4-5-6 nights because they can't stop reloading and re dosing meth over the first 2 days of using and the poor user has the misfortune to not appreciate how potent meth is.

If you don't mind me asking Makiekins what do you do to handle the come down and how do you feel over the first couple of days after the initial first sleep after the Meth has worn off? For me on the first couple of days after sleeping the meth off i am a little sluggish with low energy levels but once day 3 comes around i fully bounce back.
 
I just make sure I have raw veggies and raw nuts lots of water and smoothies really. It can be rough if you do too much. Ya know?

But you have to stop reloading. There's where your days get really long. Ugh! I learned the hard way.
I also have had some liquid codiene to help or a pm Ibuprofen.
 
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