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Methamphetamine and driving

Some interesting bits of info that don't necessarily mean anything -

SPEED is the drug most likely to be affecting Victoria's drivers according to police figures released today.

It has been five-and-a-half-years since random drug testing was introduced on Victoria's roads and over 122,000 drivers have been drug tested. Almost 2000 of these drivers have tested positive to the use of drugs. In the last six months, police have drug tested 22,473 drivers with 336 drivers returning a positive result.

Victoria police figures indicate that 83 per cent of drivers under the influence of drugs were detected to have consumed speed. Cannabis was the next highest detected drug with 29 per cent of drug drivers and 15 per cent of drug drivers tested positive to MDMA or Ecstasy.

Of the 336 positive drivers caught in the last six months, almost 90 per cent were male, 35 per cent were under the age of 26 and almost a third of the positive drivers were detected in rural Victoria. Victoria's road toll currently sits at 173, 11 more victims than this time last year.

By Michael Delaney, The Australian
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83 per cent of positive drug test drivers testing positive for Amphetamines.
29 per cent of drug drivers testing positive for Cannabis.

(112 percent?? hrm)

A lot more people use cannabis compared to amphetamines. So these figures are a bit surprising.

NOTE: Saliva tests are poorly sensitive to THC and detection times can vary considerably based on the cutoffs used. In some cases drug use may only be detectable for a few hours.
Adulteration products are readily available on the Internet to avoid oral fluid detection. (from wikipedia)
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Add to that reports of people smoking a bong then going for a drive, getting tested and not testing for THC.

Makes me wonder how good these tests are at detecting cannabis use.

Note - people are still testing positive for weed so don't think you can still smoke and drive.
 
^^ my mates were on a road trip recently and they got pulled over while smokin billies...

the driver was the last person to have one and he got swabbed (Car stunk of choof and my mate in the back had the bong inbetween his legs when the cop pulled em over) and after 10 minutes, there was still no result so the cops said they had to let them go... apparently by law in WA, cops cant hold you for more than 10 - 15 minutes after the initial swab unless a positive result occurs within this time....
 
Mr Blonde said:
^ God damn it now I am confused. So apparently they do not test for heroin?
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I think they just go from the roadside morphine +ve (since heroin's rapidly metabolised to morphine), then do a more thorough test if they don't have a good explanation.

EDIT: actually, I was basing this on the kits I've seen used for occupational testing - probably different to the roadside tests

Christ! said:
83 per cent of positive drug test drivers testing positive for Amphetamines.
29 per cent of drug drivers testing positive for Cannabis.

(112 percent?? hrm)
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I suspect they aren't mutually exclusive ;)
 
drug_mentor said:
Sustanon do you happen to know if it is currently being used on our roads? I have only ever heard of the one for weed, MDMA and methamphetamine being used, obviously that isn't to say there aren't more but I would find it quite surprising.
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Police have powers to carry out roadside drug testing on any driver, rider or supervising licence holder in NSW for the following drugs:

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Delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the active component of cannabis.
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Methylamphetamine, also known as speed, ice, crystal meth, or base.
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Methylenedioxymethylamphetamine (MDMA), also known as ecstasy.



Driving with the presence of cocaine or morphine (heroin)

There is also an offence of driving with the presence of cocaine or morphine (heroin) in blood or urine (unless the morphine was taken for medicinal purposes).

Source:
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/roadsafety/alcoholdrugs/drugdriving/roadsidetesting.html

From my understanding is that if one has taken codeine, moprhine, heroin then it will give a positive reading. Thats why i was asking and saying codeine>morphine>heroin. Codeine converts to morphine by 10% with the right enzymes and well Heroin is just a purer form of Morphine so either way sux.

Edit: Seen Mr Blonde post this link already. Cocaine might have a short half life but morphine has a very long half life especially if its a controlled release form so they couldnt justify when one has taken the substance or if under the influence as it would still be in ones saliva/urine/blood at the time of the testing even if u took the morphine 2-3 days ago itd still be present.
 
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MrIbis said:
Meth makes you hallucinate? this is news to me.

Meth Psychosis is a form of hallucination i guess. But this isn't liable to occur unless you have an underlying condition, or press shit far too hard.

A friend of mine once believed he could see snipers off in the distance from his bedroom window whilst under the influence of meth. Wouldn't believe me when i told him it was likely just the drugs. Suffice to say, no snipers were ever found, and no one was shot.
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Was there any proof there wasn't snipers there? ;)
 
Sustanon said:
From my understanding is that if one has taken codeine, moprhine, heroin then it will give a positive reading. Thats why i was asking and saying codeine>morphine>heroin. Codeine converts to morphine by 10% with the right enzymes and well Heroin is just a purer form of Morphine so either way sux.
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One small correction, I'm not usually a fussy bitch but this from my favorite group of drugs so this is a moral obligation. Heroin is a different compound, it's chemical name is diacetyl morphine. The acetyl groups make morphine more lipid soluble (something along those lines) and therefore the drug can cross the blood brain barrier more efficiently. Once in the brain diacetyl morphine is metabolized into 3 and 6 monoacetyl morphine and then finally into morphine. The fact that it crosses the bbb more efficiently is what makes it's effects stronger. Heroin itself is a prodrug (meaning it must be metabolized for effects) yet it's metabolite are active. Other than that, thank you for the post.
 
^ I understood what he was saying. Maybe a better choice of words would have been 'delivery vehicle for morphine' or 'kick ass motherfucking smack'. ;)
 
If you do a search you'll even find someone who tested positive (methamphetamine) twice in one week. :|
 
i drive better on amphetamines.... i have add tho.... my brother runs into shit , like backs into poles /parked cars.. I believe that he thinks he's psychic on it, and just "feels" where everything is... but i'm like NO man, you gotta look!
 
Thing is, people shouldn't be worried about getting caught, they should be more concerned about the fact that you're driving impaired (and the consequences of this irrespective of LE issue).

I guess that's the common view about alcohol too - everyone's worried about getting pulled over, or getting cause in an RBT and getting a fine or losing their license. Whereas they should be more worried about what may happen if they drink & drive and kill someone. :/
 
tyrael said:
Thing is, people shouldn't be worried about getting caught, they should be more concerned about the fact that you're driving impaired (and the consequences of this irrespective of LE issue).

I guess that's the common view about alcohol too - everyone's worried about getting pulled over, or getting cause in an RBT and getting a fine or losing their license. Whereas they should be more worried about what may happen if they drink & drive and kill someone. :/
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Exactly. Getting ur license suspended and/or a fine or getting Jail time for killing someone while intoxicated not to mention the guilt ud have to bare for ur entire life and the amount of pain and sorrow u cause to urself, ur family and to there family. Im highly against people who drive while under the influence of drugs or alcohol. If u are gonna drink then have one if u have ur full license but otherwise stay the fuk home if u are planning to get drunk, munted or whatever. Its very sad to see this sort of things happen all the time.
 
ok so its clear to me if your gonna get on the meth/pills you shouldnt drive the next day. but what if i spend all day today smoking weed and then i have to drive to work tomorrow morning. say i stopped smoking weed like 10 at night and wake up and drive 9 the next morning. will that come up as a positive? iv never been given a clear answer to this
 
THC is very fat soluble so it does stay in your body for a very long time. However there's really two questions you're asking here - is one still affected by the marijuana >10 hours after the last smoke?, and two (if not affected) is it still detectable (via a RDT)?

I would say as far as being directly affected by the weed, you would be fine. However I know I find I usually have residual affects the next day. Basically I don't feel too bright and cognitive ability is impaired - which could obviously affect your driving.

Now whether after 10 hours you'll get a positive reading on an RDT, unfortunately I can't answer at this stage. Hence why I started this thread. However one of the more veterans may have a better idea for ya.
 
From my knowledge, I always thought that there were only a handful of the buses that actually carry the drug swab things. And as far as I know, patrol cars don't have them yet.

Still, if you think you aren't right to drive, then don't.

Also, they test for methamphetamines, MDMA and THC incase ya'll were wondering
 
yeah definitly mate. i know when im not smoking much weed at all i will definitly feel after effects the next day. but if im smoking heaps then that goes away i guess your body just gets used to it?? so yeah i was really just wondering if its still detectable in your saliva, coz seriously its just so shit if you got charged for driving under the influence of a drug when you really werent feeling any effect from that drug? like wtf

and thats interesting^^^ i was under the impression all patrol cars could do the testing but i just assumed this :P
 
I too was under the impression that all patrol cars have the basic drug testing kits also (and then pending those results whether you're taken for further test. Even RBT tests alone aren't enough for a conviction.

hooksy01 said:
... if im smoking heaps then that goes away i guess your body just gets used to it?? so yeah i was really just wondering if its still detectable in your saliva
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It's all very individually dependant on your body and how well you metabolise cannabinoids (although afaik it's pretty constant amongst the general population but I maybe wrong. Similar to alcohol and the rate of metabolism of that). Having said that, there can be tolerance build to smoking weed.

hooksy01 said:
... coz seriously its just so shit if you got charged for driving under the influence of a drug when you really werent feeling any effect from that drug? like wtf
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Just something to remember - just because you don't think you're "under the influence" it is still quite possible (common) for the drug to still be continuously affecting you (and you abilities to drive for instance)


If you're after a straight answer of "should I drive after 10 hours after my last smoke?", my personal* opinion would be I'd say you'll be fine. As said before, just be cautious of the possible peripheral affects (possibly not sleeping too well and hence fatigue).



* this IS my PERSONAL opinion. If you're after specific pharmacological details or info about the drug tests there's other threads on this I'm sure.
 
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