Methadone Question? First timer

[pally pete]

Good morning Bluelight!

I have been offered 250mg of Methadone in 5MG tablet form. I have never tried Methadone before, i have some experience of Opiates, Oxycontin, DHC, Codeine, Morphine, Poppy Pod Tea, Tramadol are the ones ive tried that spring to mind.

I understand Methadone is used as a painkiller and is also used by Heroin addicts who wish to quit using Heroin.

I have never heard of people taking Methadone for any other purpose, Recreational use etc.

Does Methadone have similar effects on humans as any of the aforementioned Opiates?

What are the safe doses if i were to choose to use Methadone? Would it have any beneficial effects on me? As i have never really read any literature with regards to recreational use yet im intruiged!

As far as my tolerance goes 80mg - 240mg Oxycontin in one go is not unusual for me.

So basically what im asking is what would be a safe dose for me? (I know... I have checked the conversion chart) Its just that id rather hear first hand accounts as we all differ... And would the effects produced by the Methadone be in anyway described as positive?

The only use for Methadone i know of is it is used as a Heroin withdrawal substance.(Maintenance program)

All imput greatly appreciated,Thanks

 

[qwe]

methadone's half life is very long. redosing can thus be dangerous so be cautious.

20mg oxycodone is about equivalent to 15mg methadone by my experience. the converter says 12mg methadone = 80mg oxycodone but that can't be right.

be aware it takes up to three-four hours to peak. don't keep redosing thinking it's not working.

it is more drowsy than oxycodone. it can be used for pain and euphoria like other opiates.

 

[kokaino]

I would start off with just 10 mg and wait quite a while for the effects to kick in. Don't expect things to start happening at the 30 minute mark or even the hour mark. Also, do not redose as that can be very dangerous.
10 mg is a good place to start since you already have previous experience with some strong opioids. Just wait and don't redose.

Also, 20 mg of oral oxycodone DOES NOT equal 15 mg of oral methadone. Methadone is far more potent and the equal dose is 20 mg oxycodone = 5-10 mg methadone.
Methadone is serious stuff, don't mess with it like you would with hydrocodone or oxycodone. They are on different levels.

 

[SubDude]

I would start off with just 10 mg and wait quite a while for the effects to kick in. Don't expect things to start happening at the 30 minute mark or even the hour mark. Also, do not redose as that can be very dangerous.
10 mg is a good place to start since you already have previous experience with some strong opioids. Just wait and don't redose.

Also, 20 mg of oral oxycodone DOES NOT equal 15 mg of oral methadone. Methadone is far more potent and the equal dose is 20 mg oxycodone = 5-10 mg methadone.
Methadone is serious stuff, don't mess with it like you would with hydrocodone or oxycodone. They are on different levels.

As a former long term MMT client [now on subs] from my experience you are correct and have provided good advice. Though it's recreational effects are not always pleasant for 1st time users... unless you've used and liked other opiates. Best if consumed as prescribed for pain and/or ORT.

 

[pally pete]

Methadone - Please help?

I started a thread which got very few responses one of which helped much. http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/619562-Methadone-Question-First-timer

can anybody else please add something?

Im used to Oxycontin anywhere between 80-160mg in one go for a nice high, i also love poppy tea, and when my tolerance is low enough i dont mind a bit of codeine or Dihydrocodeine.

what/how much would i need of Methadone to reach these same heights? What is a Methadone high comparible?

Ive read the conversion chart but many people say its not to accurate, just so you know i dont unject, i will take the 5mg Metadone tabs orally, how many will io need to reach my desired state safely as the last thing i want is to OD.

Is the feelin from Methadone similar to other opiates? which ones?
What would you say is a safe dose of methadone for me? I took 10mg yesterday and didnt feel a thing.

I know in the UK they use Methadone to try and help Heroin addicts come clean... if i was to take Methadone would it block the effects of other Opiates?

Help, imput, comment greatly appreciated.... or PM me if you feel the need.

 

[Swain]

Methadone doesn't have much of a high at all compared to shorter acting full agonists. Other wise I woudl have stayed on the methadone clinic lol. I was on 80mg and I would even double up my dose sometimes and it didnt do jack shit besides put me to sleep.

We are not allowed to advise you what dose of methadone you should take. You know your tolerance, not us. Remember methadone has a very slow come up.. so give atleast 2 hours before redosing to add more methadone.

Methadone will not block other opiates.. that being said when you get near doses 80mg+ it starts to have that affect. It is not blocking other opiates like buprenorphine does for instance.. it;'s kind of odd. You would think you are just adding opiates on and it should get you high.. but for some reason it's like methadone takes precedent or something. Once I was on 80mg I was shooting a bundle per shot of paterson dope. And even then the high was lame compared to if i had no methadone in me, and the rush was alright. So while scientifically its not blocking opiates, it makes it really hard to get high and its dangerous since you are adding monsterous doses on and stuff.

If you are looking for a recreational drug methadone will not begin to compare to oxy or heroin. The only thing it is good for is a pain killer, detox/mmt tool, or to bridge the gap if you run out of money or something.

If you take 160mg in a single dose for oxycodone, 5mg methadone will not do jack shit. I would start with 30mg and work from there. Remember, just take it slow because methadone has a long half life.. if you over do it and get sick you'll be sick for MAD long. If you over do it more and actually OD you are dead. done.

 

[Swain]

As a former long term MMT client [now on subs] from my experience you are correct and have provided good advice. Though it's recreational effects are not always pleasant for 1st time users... unless you've used and liked other opiates. Best if consumed as prescribed for pain and/or ORT.

If I felt like methadone was even remotely recreational compared to short acting opiates like oxy and dope, I would not have left tthe methadone clinic to go to a bupe doctor. But There is jack shit to be had for a high.. I would even double up my dose from 80mg to 160mg if I had an extra takehome and it really didnt do aynthing besides put me to sleep.

You are best saving those for when you want to detox or bridge the gap b./c you are in withdrawals. If you want to get high etc... stick with short acting opiates. You will surely be dissapoiinted otherwsie.

 

[phatass]

methadone is strong... i have a friend who IV's 180mg morphine.. and puked off 60mg of methadone.... oterwise methadone is similar to other opiates but less euphori nd more dopey

 

[SubDude]

If I felt like methadone was even remotely recreational compared to short acting opiates like oxy and dope, I would not have left tthe methadone clinic to go to a bupe doctor. But There is jack shit to be had for a high.. I would even double up my dose from 80mg to 160mg if I had an extra takehome and it really didnt do aynthing besides put me to sleep.

You are best saving those for when you want to detox or bridge the gap b./c you are in withdrawals. If you want to get high etc... stick with short acting opiates. You will surely be dissapoiinted otherwsie.

It's mostly an individual thing. Before I went on MMT I used Methadone to get a nice buzz... and when On MMT I got a good high from doubling up and adding a benzo. I believe it's dependent on a person's physiology and what kind of high you a looking for... I could get a good energy boost and then as that started to fade... then came the benzo for the nod.

 

[effie]

I started a thread which got very few responses one of which helped much. http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/619562-Methadone-Question-First-timer

can anybody else please add something?

Im used to Oxycontin anywhere between 80-160mg in one go for a nice high, i also love poppy tea, and when my tolerance is low enough i dont mind a bit of codeine or Dihydrocodeine.

what/how much would i need of Methadone to reach these same heights? What is a Methadone high comparible?

Ive read the conversion chart but many people say its not to accurate, just so you know i dont unject, i will take the 5mg Metadone tabs orally, how many will io need to reach my desired state safely as the last thing i want is to OD.

Is the feelin from Methadone similar to other opiates? which ones?
What would you say is a safe dose of methadone for me? I took 10mg yesterday and didnt feel a thing.

I know in the UK they use Methadone to try and help Heroin addicts come clean... if i was to take Methadone would it block the effects of other Opiates?

Help, imput, comment greatly appreciated.... or PM me if you feel the need.

Hi Pete,

Please don't start multiple threads about the same thing - you can add to your existing thread and even change the title if you like. I've merged those two posts in (they are one after another but a few posts up now due to the timestamp).

As others have said, methadone has a different high to a lot of the more recreational opioids. It is slower building, longer lasting but often just sedating rather than eu[horic. It can be dangerous as people bump up their dose expecting more than it can ever give, only to find themselves overdosing.

The conversion charts aren't hugely accurate for a reason - people metabolise methadone differently, so what is a good dose for one person might be an overdose for another. we can't give you a more accurate reply than the chart - if we could, we'd add it to the opioid conversion thread!! Your best bet is to calculate the range then start with the lower dose. Don't redose for at least 3 hours, ideally not that day and bear in mind that the following day you will likely still have some in your system, so adjust your dose accordingly. I know you have a huge benzo tolerance but be careful mixing methadone and benzos - it is easy to overdose for the reasons mentioned.

You've got some good answers from others here. Read them, and go steady with it.

 

[cjb017]

If you were to take methadone you won't get a high from it if you have used 80-240 mg of oxycontin before.

Methadone is designed not to get the person high who takes it.

Someone with no opiate tolerance may feel a slight buzz from methadone.

Also be aware that methadone withdrawal is possible and is more extreme than an oxy withdrawal and lasts a lot longer.

 

[cjb017]

by the way if you are going to take methadone recreationally, just keep in mind it's going to boost you tolerance and you will barely feel anything from taking it and when you switch back to oxy or another opiate you won't feel it as much since you boosted your tolerance with methadone.

methadone will help you in that way though, making other opiates not work as well and therefore you won't get that high from them and then you won't crave them.

basically when i was on methadone, i learned you basically increase your dose til you can't feel high from any other drug (heroin for me) and then since it's a waste of money and a waste of the drug to use it if you can't feel it then you stop using the heroin and you're only on methadone. and it's made so you don't feel much from it or you don't feel high. then you slowly wean yourself off methadone...

i would stay far away from it if you are trying to get high. or if you actually want to get sober maybe methadone wouldn't hurt to take, but if you use it constantly you're going to withdrawal harsh from it.

 

[LeLouche]

I just started on MMT 30mg daily now. The high comes and goes I find

 

[pally pete]

by the way if you are going to take methadone recreationally, just keep in mind it's going to boost you tolerance and you will barely feel anything from taking it and when you switch back to oxy or another opiate you won't feel it as much since you boosted your tolerance with methadone.

methadone will help you in that way though, making other opiates not work as well and therefore you won't get that high from them and then you won't crave them.

basically when i was on methadone, i learned you basically increase your dose til you can't feel high from any other drug (heroin for me) and then since it's a waste of money and a waste of the drug to use it if you can't feel it then you stop using the heroin and you're only on methadone. and it's made so you don't feel much from it or you don't feel high. then you slowly wean yourself off methadone...

i would stay far away from it if you are trying to get high. or if you actually want to get sober maybe methadone wouldn't hurt to take, but if you use it constantly you're going to withdrawal harsh from it.

Unfortunately i sort of guessed in advance that you were right, thanks anyway

I wont be getting any of that again then will i.... DOH!