Opioids Methadone IV and Heroin/Diamorphine IV Prescription

[Tony Williams]

Hi ok I wont go into it too much but I wanted to know how many people have tried Methadone IV? I have alot of exp with it and street Heroin, Oxycontin too and once Diamorphine.

Basically a guy I knew used to get methadone ampules for needle fixation he was on some amount then tapered onto oral he was on 5 day oral 40mg then 2 days had 40mg again but ampules and split. Often I got them for a trade.

Ok, I shot 40mg and I loved it, I shot more, going upto a high dose of 120mg I was fucked. The rush was a tad slower but far greater than the Heroin (I have used) the rush was 6hr long. the guy said he rarely uses herion but when he was 24/7x ampule years back he never touched a single drug but that. he could work and hold down a job.

Whch leads me to, should hardcore addicts be givin these ampules or diamorphine ampules?

Lets make up john who is an addict on £100/day of heroin. He is dying and unstable - he gets money from crime his habit funds crime - he is also on methadone oral but it isn't working for him he needs diamorphine ampules. Back in the day doctors did this but scams happened and doctors lost power. Should we have doctors who Prescribe PURE diamorphine to addcits or methadone ampules? I have always said YES they should prescibe as much as they need along with hep

Is anyone on ampule prescription? Or used Meth IV?

 

[Albion]

IV Methadone seems like a pointless and dangerous pursuit. You might struggle to find many people who have bothered. It's not an especially recreational drug, and most people are on it because they're trying to move away from needles, not get high off of them.

 

['medicine cabinet']

matter of fact i know someone whos main ROA with methadone is IV. the oral BA is so high its kind of pointless, but i suppose for some the lure of the needle beats any alternative.

ive had some really pure dope before, but nothing like pharm grade in a vial....i think given the chance i would go off my MMT for a few days and give that shit a go and spoil myself lol

 

[sekio]

Diamorphine treatment for addicts is a very European attitude, but I know many Western cities have trialled injectable diamorphine (& in some cases hydromorphone) replacement programs.

M/done has a really high bioavailibility so the only benefit to IV use is a faster onset.

 

[Bambooshoot]

Okay, so you can IV oral solution methadone? And get high?

 

['medicine cabinet']

^nooo. i mean i guess you can, just like you can technically eat a shoe, but its not something you would want to do. they add artificial flavor, sweeteners, probably a preservative of some kind, and who knows what else. they make methadone in injectable form, or from the 40mg wafer pills, but even then you would still want to micron filter it really well and not make a habit of it.

 

[Bambooshoot]

Sound,i wasn't really intending on trying it. I can get perfectly good heroin to do the job for about the same price. but i got some meth for free the other day. didnt think it would be worth my while. too think and syrupy...

 

[HOP SING TONG]

Please don't shoot oral methadone syrup!!! That shit is just asking for an infection, abscess, endocarditis, etc. Even the clear, concentrated solution without flavorings added can be dangerous to inject. Only the pharmaceutical grade ampoules made for injection, or pure methadone hcl powder should be used. Even then, you must inject slowly because methadone solution is very caustic on the veins.

 

[Coraline]

Okay, so you can IV oral solution methadone? And get high?

Please don't try to shoot methadone and get high. It's a dangerous drug to abuse. Go look on the Shriner thread for Bluelighter.

Methadone overdose can happen very quickly. Plus you wanna main line it. That equals disaster. Not to mention how unsafe it is is to do as other SMART Bluelighter have said.

 

[Tony Williams]

OK I WILL CLEAR THIS UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


DO EVER shoot METHADONE syrup, it's bacteria loving, and hard/risky ALTHOUGH I have seen it done when watered 3x-10x times. I WILL add this!!!

The Methadone I got was PURE ampules MARTIN DALE+PSYCETONE brands. They were designed to be IM/SC'ed twice a day. However I would get some and IV them - now I do not care about paper and bioavailbities - just because oral is 60-80% means nothing when you're trying for a rush. I've been unable to get a kick from high 100-200mg doses unless I lowered + shoot dope or benzo'ed - however Methadone IV was beautiful, I am wondering how many people have tried Meth IV?

IV Methadone seems like a pointless and dangerous pursuit. You might struggle to find many people who have bothered. It's not an especially recreational drug, and most people are on it because they're trying to move away from needles, not get high off of them.

Basically I'll explain quick again, these were Methadone ampules prescriped along with oral to wean him off the needle to oral. He was on them for 25yrs and basically said oral is for surviual but the ampules were pure beauty, they were 1ml/20mg (I THINK) and the rush was really nice however you cannot do 1 or 2 amps end up finshin the buggers, you hear how he started? normal guy taxi'ing and one day takes someone about 8-15mi or summit and someone just said to him here are and shot him 20mg from then on, he used heroin and became addicted and got methadone ampules every-single-day - then they weaned him onto oral which doesn't buzz you. The upsdie to this he said was on meth amp you'll never want heroin ever also the idea was clean equipment and being able to IM/SC it however you don't rush from IM/SCing (he once said I'll kill you if I find you've sc/imed these beauties - just kiddin but he loved them)

Also in our area we had a thing I read about prescription Methadone cigs and diamorphine. And you smoke youre dose, could find link.

 

[-Guido-]

Okay, so you can IV oral solution methadone? And get high?

No. You can IV ampoules of Methadone that is formulated for IV use. An oral solution of Methadone would be stupid to IV due to the binders, fillers, dyes, and flavoring. It would wreck havoc on the circulatory system and you would be fucked if you missed the shoot.

Furthermore, even if you had a pharm grad ampule of Methadone or some pure Methadone HCL powder it would still be stupid. Ever let Methadone sit in your mouth for a while? It's caustic. It burns. Now imagine that in your blood stream being pumped to every corner of you body.

 

[Tony Williams]

Furthermore, even if you had a pharm grad ampule of Methadone or some pure Methadone HCL powder it would still be stupid. Ever let Methadone sit in your mouth for a while? It's caustic. It burns. Now imagine that in your blood stream being pumped to every corner of you body.

Yes I know, this is very true and one reason I've alot of vein problems. However still comparing it to street Heroin bacteria risk, etc - guess they weigh each other out.

However I am asking the few who've tried how do they rank it?

 

[martin33]

everyone i know thats IVed methadone says its not worth it, Methadone like Oxycodone and Hydrocodone are just as active orally as they are intraveneously. Heroin and Morphine are more active IV'ed which is why most people inject those substances. Id say stick to the oral methadone, much better for your body and just as good

 

[paranoid android]

Yeah i don't see any sense in shooting methadone but then again i don't see any sense in shooting oxycodone either for the same reason. The both have very high oral BA's so why waste your veins on them? I IV hydromorphone, morphine and on one occasion Demerol (meperidine, pethidine) the latter of which where the dirtiest pills i ever shot and i found out too late that they had talc in them hence why i only did it once. These drugs have a low oral bioavailablity and if you add that to the wicked rush you get from IVing hydromorphone that is why i have never taken it any other way since about 2009

So i would advise people out of harm reduction not to IV drugs that work fine orally. Not to mention that drugs usually last abit longer when taken orally then IV or IM.

 

[MemphisX3]

the rush was 6hr long.

lolwut. was that a typo or did you mean the high is 6 hours long?

 

[Swain]

The ruhs was 6 hours long what the fuck. ?

 

[Tony Williams]

BA means NOTHNG. Even 80% oral vs 99-100% IV. It completely different with oral it's too slow and for stablisin evenhigh doses. However IV'ed I rushedn hard for 4-6 maybe, you can pop them in your leg for IM or do SC it's not the same.

as for the burn yeah ther is one but they're dialued a bit, theres no burn thougb.

 

[Tommyboy]

Of course BA is relevant when discussing IVing drugs because if a drug has a high oral BA and little to no rush then as paranoid android pointed out it's not worth poking yourself over. I guess if methadone has a 4-6 hour rush then it's worth being IV'd then. 8)

There are some drugs that people deem not worthy of IVing and BA plays a large role in it. Even if a drug didn't have a rush but had a very low oral BA then people would turn to IVing it if tolerance or financial factors came into play.

Most people shy away from IVing maintenance drugs with long half-lives because IVing them decreases the duration, which is counterproductive when trying to have a single daily dose get you by.

On the topic of diacetylmorphine being used for maintenance I would suggest checking out this thread on the topic.

 

[BiggDirty01]

I have been administered IV Methadone post-operatively in all three of my spinal fusions and I found it to be a highly effective pain killer for me both post op and in pill form as my ER medication after surgery.

But I would not mess with shooting amps of methadone without a strong opiate tolerance and experience with methadone in general.

Just my .02

 

[Tony Williams]

Of course BA is relevant when discussing IVing drugs because if a drug has a high oral BA and little to no rush then as paranoid android pointed out it's not worth poking yourself over. I guess if methadone has a 4-6 hour rush then it's worth being IV'd then. 8)

There are some drugs that people deem not worthy of IVing and BA plays a large role in it. Even if a drug didn't have a rush but had a very low oral BA then people would turn to IVing it if tolerance or financial factors came into play.

Most people shy away from IVing maintenance drugs with long half-lives because IVing them decreases the duration, which is counterproductive when trying to have a single daily dose get you by.

On the topic of diacetylmorphine being used for maintenance I would suggest checking out this thread on the topic.

Mate I do get you and what you are saying, I know you are educated n shizzle and understand your point but when I wa IVing methadone it was NOTHING like oral. ORAL DOES HAVE A GREAT BA and is GREAT for MMT but it is ORAL and takes 1.30-2 to peak and then being oral it's spreaded but with tolerence you cannot get high from oral but you should not abuse oral since for most it is a life saver. This maybe is akin is OCs BA and people snorting it even if the ba is low snorted with tolerence they need it more pushed in for a high, FYI OC IV wasnt that good.

Yeah IVing the amps could ruin the help they give you, because the amps are sc/im (no REAL rush). You shoot them twice a day this guy was on 20mg twice a day oral (he splt it) but also 20mg twice a day amps. This is alike the diamorphine scripts I guess but cheaper to produce. I know when it started and on boards anyone on them would be off heroin completely it was for needle fixation when oral wouldnt work.

He made the mistake of IVing it and the Methadone was now another drug he coukd drain. my exp was BANG and and rush was long 3-5 hour long then held for 1-2 day. I know mentioning the doses is agaist rules with high amounts of oral no matter how high and matching the oral amount. He said without them he would NOT be working and be using heroin and non-stable-they had the "mother of all wd".

It varies person to person and tolerence to tolerence with tolerence you becomeI am a rush addict I WANT it now so IV is my only RoA. No one ever believes me but here we did some study or something, this is 10-20yr old we prescrible IM/SC methadone for h addicts over the oral.

I would love to compare it with diamorphine (had diamorphine in amps too rush was good but wsant that impressed but the time scale was different than the methadone.

Now no one will believe this but they prescribed here I found methadone and diamorphine lace cigs. - I will link.

I will seperately add methadone is STRONG enough oral, IVed more so - risk of od is high
most iv methadone is NOT about amps but juice or pills that are very risky

I will ask the clinic about them I think its the only clinic that do them,I spoke to a guy on them and they help wonders but people iv and no im/sc and just get fuccked he got them 3yr ago.

there is little info on inj mmt I guess Here are some links
http://www.m-alliance.org.uk/forum/index.php/topic,2063.20/wap2.html (this is got amp info on some threads)
http://www.topix.com/forum/drug/oxycontin/TQORR1EMREF1LO0UQ