Opioids Methadone: How long before I Get Wired? Can OxyNeo Help To Withdraw from It?

[swik]

I'm prescribed 160mg a day of OxyNeo for Osteoarthritis. I usually trade most of it for time released Morphine as I can get more Morphine plus cash. That being good as I plug 1200mg (that's right -- twelve hundred mg) of morphine at a time which enables me to be able to walk properly for two days 8( If I run out of Oxy & Morphine I'll buy Methadone that I'll take at 20ml three times daily. That helps me with pain & withdrawals from no Oxy / Morphine. My question is how long can I do that before I'm wired to the Methadone? Three days? A week? And if I do get wired to it can I replace the need for Methadone by taking that 160mg of oxy?

 

[cLoud*]

If by "wired" you mean addicted... It seems like you're already addicted to opiates. So I mean, one's as bad as the rest, I would just try and lower your tolerance a bit....

....Plugging 1.2 GRAMS of Morphine, is fucking INSANE.

 

[Druidus]

Addiction to one might as well be addiction to the other, in this case. However, methadone has a longer half-life and withdrawal, so should ideally be avoided as well as you're able, an addiction to that would be worse than where you somehow managed to get to already. I, at least, am glad you don't seem to bang opiates like I learned them. You know, for me, I was using hydromorphone, so I could use poppy seed tea's morphine to assist with tapering. I don't think you have that option. You'd need tens of kilograms of seeds that you'd need to take to get withdrawal reduction alone! But if you need it for pain, I understand, just be careful. You can train your brain; a little can be quite a lot. That said, I just checked the dose equivalency for 1.2 grams of morphine (I've only banged up to a little over 300mg, well, and only while on stims (and manic), that was amazing, and 1.2g's plugged must be even stronger, if perhaps not in the rush) and found it to be apparently roughly 135mg of IV'd hydromorphone. I shot in the 120's a few times. I was pretty tolerant, to say the least. But I never regularly did that high a dose. I tried to keep it around 50-60 or so, if I could, per shot. You, sir, have achieved something quite interesting and unfortunate in reaching this level of addiction. You might need to switch opiates, to methadone, which I'd avoid if possible, or to some other opiate you can use temporarily to lower tolerance. In the long run; I have no idea where your level of dependence will take you, that really depends on you. We are only as great as our hearts will allow.

You can use oxy in place of methadone, or methadone in place of morphine, it's all the same in the brain, for the most part, just to fully clarify. But you need help, and I don't know where to send you, because my tools are null in your situation, and I despise the idea of rehab, not to mention your implication that mobility is an issue due to pain. Try to reduce your dose/tolerance.

 

[tricomb]

I'm prescribed 160mg a day of OxyNeo for Osteoarthritis. I usually trade most of it for time released Morphine as I can get more Morphine plus cash. That being good as I plug 1200mg (that's right -- twelve hundred mg) of morphine at a time which enables me to be able to walk properly for two days 8( If I run out of Oxy & Morphine I'll buy Methadone that I'll take at 20ml three times daily. That helps me with pain & withdrawals from no Oxy / Morphine. My question is how long can I do that before I'm wired to the Methadone? Three days? A week? And if I do get wired to it can I replace the need for Methadone by taking that 160mg of oxy?

You're plugging 1.2grams of morphine "at a time"? How much water do you use? How big is the syringe you're using?

According to my calculations that would require over 20mL of water to completely saturate that much morphine.

 

[Druidus]

I thought similarly. I actually had to use two syringes, one handled by my ex-girlfriend, and one by me, to be sure I got the most I could out of only ~320mg of morphine.

But I can see plugging 20ml. It shouldn't be that hard, and they make oral syringes big enough. It's not the volume that astounds, it's the regular legendary dose that gets me.

btw, as an aside question, you dose approximately every 48 hours, and make it through the hours in between without craving more of a rush? Man, it got to where even 8 hours without hydromorphone, for me, was almost impossible. I assume this is a result of differing methods of ingestion, and morphine having like 1.8-2.8 times as long of a half-life, IIRC. Does it really last two days without you longing to redose, does it have legs the whole way through?

 

[phatass]

well since theres a cross-tolerance between 'done morphine and oxy, if you stop any of them abrutly you will be thrown into serious wthdrawl... have i understood your questio correctly?

 

[tricomb]

I thought similarly. I actually had to use two syringes, one handled by my ex-girlfriend, and one by me, to be sure I got the most I could out of only ~320mg of morphine.

But I can see plugging 20ml. It shouldn't be that hard, and they make oral syringes big enough. It's not the volume that astounds, it's the regular legendary dose that gets me.

btw, as an aside question, you dose approximately every 48 hours, and make it through the hours in between without craving more of a rush? Man, it got to where even 8 hours without hydromorphone, for me, was almost impossible. I assume this is a result of differing methods of ingestion, and morphine having like 1.8-2.8 times as long of a half-life, IIRC. Does it really last two days without you longing to redose, does it have legs the whole way through?

Yeah I've had times where my tolerance was similar to the OPs, it really fucking sucks. Once you get past the gram per dose mark, in my experience it's just too itchy to be enjoyable and no amount of antihistamines seems to make a difference.

I am also wondering how it lasted an entire 48 hours, one large dose. I'm guessing that it's not that the morphine lasts 48 hours, it's that he's taking oxycodone and methadone too or something. I don't know, a lot of things about this post raise an eyebrow.

 

[nadiaab]

I am new to this posting forum thing, so please forgive me and be patient. I just have questions and need help.


I have been at a clinic for three years last month. I was down to 35 mg from non payment almost a year and a half ago when I found out I was 2 months pregnant. For the baby's best interest, I stopped the decrease and gradually went back up. I delivered while taking 90mg daily. That was almost a year ago today. Since then, i have been going down at my own pace.. and am now at 15mg. I slowed down the amount I decrease at once from 10mg to 5mg.. And lately I have gone from 25 to where I am now 5mg at a time every 10 days.

I cannot afford to continue to go every single day. Even if I had take homes, this has to stop. I have to keep pushing through. However, I am a single mom of an almost 1 year old. As of a week ago, I cannot sleep through the night, my legs are constantly sore. The stairs alone are an event in and of themselves. I am scared to push forward but I refuse to stop or go backwards.

I find myself constantly playing with the idea of just dropping off. What would happen if I stopped going tomorrow? If I went down to 10mg stayed there for two weeks, then stopped? I just need this to be over, like fucking last year. I am 5'9 105lbs. Eating and sleeping are already a struggle. I can barely pick my child up as is unless from 10am to 6pm because thats the time of day my dose has officially taken most effect and has not began to wear off. nighttime obviously is a nightmare. morning pre-dose.. there isnt even a word i know for that. what do i do? please somebody help me. The doctor keeps saying go down 1mg a week from here on out. Thats 15 more weeks of this. no. fucking. way. can. i. do. this. another. 15. weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tricomb]

Wait, so you're taking 5mg every 10 days? So you go to the clinic like three times a month? I am not sure what dose you're on but jumping off methadone is the hardest once you get down to like 20mg, that's when it really gets tough. Just stick to it, you've made it this far.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I am new to this posting forum thing, so please forgive me and be patient. I just have questions and need help.


I have been at a clinic for three years last month. I was down to 35 mg from non payment almost a year and a half ago when I found out I was 2 months pregnant. For the baby's best interest, I stopped the decrease and gradually went back up. I delivered while taking 90mg daily. That was almost a year ago today. Since then, i have been going down at my own pace.. and am now at 15mg. I slowed down the amount I decrease at once from 10mg to 5mg.. And lately I have gone from 25 to where I am now 5mg at a time every 10 days.

I cannot afford to continue to go every single day. Even if I had take homes, this has to stop. I have to keep pushing through. However, I am a single mom of an almost 1 year old. As of a week ago, I cannot sleep through the night, my legs are constantly sore. The stairs alone are an event in and of themselves. I am scared to push forward but I refuse to stop or go backwards.

I find myself constantly playing with the idea of just dropping off. What would happen if I stopped going tomorrow? If I went down to 10mg stayed there for two weeks, then stopped? I just need this to be over, like fucking last year. I am 5'9 105lbs. Eating and sleeping are already a struggle. I can barely pick my child up as is unless from 10am to 6pm because thats the time of day my dose has officially taken most effect and has not began to wear off. nighttime obviously is a nightmare. morning pre-dose.. there isnt even a word i know for that. what do i do? please somebody help me. The doctor keeps saying go down 1mg a week from here on out. Thats 15 more weeks of this. no. fucking. way. can. i. do. this. another. 15. weeks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I know this probably isn't what you want to hear, but you will have severe and long lasting withdrawal symptoms whether you stop right now or go down to 10mg for 2 weeks and then stop. I'm sorry. Have you considered other options like Suboxone or medicated detox? If those aren't options for you then I would just continue doing what you are doing. You will likely want to take your doctor's advice and slow the taper, and when you get down even lower you might want to slow it even more. For example, a decrease of 5mg when you are taking 15mg is WAY more noticeable than a decrease of 5mg when you are taking 30mg. Same with a decrease of 1mg/wk when you are at, say, 4mg/day. I am down to 4mg twice a day and I get bad withdrawal symptoms just by decreasing by 1mg. Maybe talk to your doctor and see if there is anything they can prescribe or recommend to help (anti-depressants, supplements, clonidine, etc). You are not alone, I know how excruciating it is, I have been on methadone for 10 yrs and am in the process of tapering off 100mg/day.

If you are already feeling miserable and just want to get it over with, you could try tapering it more rapidly, but you are going very fast already and I wouldn't recommend just stopping cold turkey. 15 weeks really isn't that long in the scheme of things. But unfortunately you're not going to magically feel better all of the sudden once you've stopped completely even with the taper.

Also, it might help to go on split dosing and take your methadone every 12 hrs instead of every 24 hrs.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Wait, so you're taking 5mg every 10 days? So you go to the clinic like three times a month? I am not sure what dose you're on but jumping off methadone is the hardest once you get down to like 20mg, that's when it really gets tough. Just stick to it, you've made it this far.

I think she meant she has been dropping 5mg off her dose every 10 days. She is currently down to 15mg/day and has been dropping by 5mg every 10 days since she was at 25mg.

 

[Hiltoniano]

I thought she was down at 15mg a day now.

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I thought she was down at 15mg a day now.

Ooops, you're right, it's 15mg currently, not 25. I edited my post. I was just looking at the sentence where she said "And lately I have gone from 25 to where I am now 5mg at a time every 10 days." but she meant she has been tapering at a rate of 5mg every 10 days since she was at 25mg.

I wonder if she'll come back?

 

[mathematic]

for first 7 days you would need to have some one beside you 24/7, after that period, it all depends to your will power.best of luck