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Opioids Methadone and Pre-Employment Drug Screening (US-TX) HELP?!

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It really varies from person to person, and the amount in your system will vary depending on how long you've been taking it and your unique metabolism. Methadone has a typical elimination half-life of 15 to 60 hrs with a mean of around 22 hrs, but metabolism rates vary greatly between individuals, with the half-life ranging from as few as 3 hrs to as many as 190 hrs. So basically, there is no way to predict whether it will still show in your urine. On average in urine tests in most people methadone can be detected for around 7 days. So have your explanation ready in case it does. The other thing is who knows what drugs they are actually testing for. Methadone is only detectable if they test specifically for it, so if they only do a standard opiate test it will not show up. Generally we're not supposed to discuss the specifics of drug testing, there is already a drug testing subforum on Bluelight which they closed to new posts, but I'm hoping it's ok to answer your question since I am not just speculating, the mods have already seen and posted in this thread without saying it's not ok or editing your post, and there is no info on this in the drug testing subforum (at least not that I could find by doing a search of it for thread titles containing "methadone").
 
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Dude, I seriously doubt that they will even test for it. They would have to test for it specifically and methadone isn't a real popularly abused drug. If they do find it, show them the prescription. Ten mgs tablets are not what is precribed for methadone maintenance. The 5s and 10s and even 40s are usually for people getting it for pain not withdrawal. Your doctor never should have switched to methadone from hydrocodone anyway. Someone on oxycontin shouldnt even really be switched to methadone because it is in a different league than hydrocodone and oxycodone. The withdrawal from methadone is a huge deal vicodin and oxy is usually 3 day thing and after 8- 10 days your back to normal. With methadone you have to be tapered up to 6mo to a year going down 1 or 2 mgs a day. But like I said before I seriously doubt they will test for it, it wont show for opiods.
 
6 months to 1 year?! Well, hopefully my example will serve someone else. Always research drugs before just blindly switching at a Dr.'s rec. I did not do any research before switching. I just assumed my Dr. knew exactly what he was doing but how can a Dr. really know if not having taken it and withdrawn from it? I might have to look into detox to get off of it or something. The last few days have been so hard on me and I realize I sound like a whiner compared to other people on much higher doses.
 
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Well, I just looked at my test form and see that it was a 10-panel and from what I am reading, that definitely tests for methadone. It makes sense that they would because it is a medical job. I am going to try not to worry, yeah right!
 
I just want to point out that even though its super illegal to DQ someone for medical reasons such as methadone or suboxone treatment, it happens somewhat frequently, including to a few (older) members here on BL.

They dont outright DQ you for the methadone or suboxone or etc, they will find another reason to DQ you ("Oh you didnt fill this form out PERFECTLY RIGHT," "Oh you're 'over qualified' ", etc).

Just because its illegal doesn't mean it does not happen as we all should know by now.

I wont really give you advice one way or the other just know that illegal fucked up shit happens regarding all of this stuff, that lawsuits are hard to prove (and hard to pay for), that there is an EXTREME BIAS against (recovering) drug addicts, and that especially now a days employeers dont mind shitting on future employees rights because the country unemployment is over 8% and they will find someone else not on methadone/suboxone jusst as fast.

Dont want to scare you just want to be 100% honest anything is possible. I guess if you have the $ for a lawyer threaten lawsuits, if you learn thats why youre DQd. but that in and of itself is hard to prove too when they DQ you for another reason.
 
KidAmine - what was the reason given that you could not go back to work?

No medical clearance; ie because of methadone I was failed on my physical. my hearing, lung capacity (they checked that too, over 100% at the time), physical health were all fine. I was basically told either get off the methadone or you wont have a job to come back to. I ran out my sick leave, extended sick leave, and vacation but ran out of time trying to get away from that stuff and lost my job. That was in 2002. I didnt get off of it until around Jan 2005, after my OD (story for another thread).

Was fairly justifiable on their end I suppose. I was a class 1 wastewater operator at the time, a license which grants me the permission to operate any size plant in my home state. a bad operator could potentially dump millions of gallons of polluted water into streams and cause e coli plumes, close beaches, mass fish kills, etc. but ffs I was on 20mg a day, had a prescription, and I bet 75% of the other operators at the time would have outright failed any piss tests.
 
DooMMooD - I'm actually taking it for pain management, not for recovery from addiction. That is the part of my experience that makes it so different from everything I have found online re: methadone and pre-employment screening. I just don't know if it matters even with the Rx clearly stating "PRN for PAIN". I know there is a stigma surrounding methadone and what most people understand methadone is used for (addiction) so that is why I stopped taking it before the test. My only exp with opiates and drug testing is when I was on Vicodin. On one I tested positive, got a call from the MRO who asked if I had an Rx, I provided it and was reported negative. On the other it didn't even show up (even though I was taking it daily so not sure how that happened??). But yeah, I'm trying not to obsess over this. The reality is, American=Puritan in many cases and any deviation from the norm is hard for people to wrap their minds around. Waaaaaayyyyy too much judgment IMO. I wonder if other countries are as concerned as we are about people's social habits?
 
And KidAmine - I really hate to hear that happened to you (and others). Unfortunately, I kinda had an idea stuff like this was going on.
 
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The US is one of the worst, (if not the worst), countries in the world as far as drug testing of employees. In Canada, the Human Rights Act prohibits all pre-employment drug/alcohol testing and prohibits random drug/alcohol testing of employees unless they are deemed to hold legitimately safety-sensitive positions (one in which incapacity due to drug or alcohol impairment could result in direct and significant risk of injury to the employee, others, or the environment, and has been proven as such). Of course, some private employers don't always follow the rules and there has been a lot of pressure from the US to adopt similar drug testing policies to their's. Drug/alcohol testing is really only supposed to be performed due to reasonable cause, and only in people in positions where there is a significant safety risk. Then the employer is supposed to do everything within reason to accomodate the person, with dismissal being the last resort. The problem is that it can be hard to prove that you were dismissed due your drug/alcohol use, many employers will just dismiss someone for other reasons rather than give them a drug test. But not all are like that, for example I have an acquaintance with a drinking problem that is noticeably affecting his work and his company has given him multiple chances to stop drinking on the job, offered to send him to detox, changed his responsibilities so that he wouldn't be operating any heavy machinery, etc, and as of yet he still hasn't been fired. But I think there is a lot more stigma attached to hard drug use, especially heroin, than to alcohol use.

In my situation where I was fired essentially for admitting I was on methadone, I think it was more likely that my boss just believed that I was likely still using heroin, I don't think it was that she thought the methadone itself would impair my ability to do my job, just that she didn't trust people who were former heroin addicts. Plus I think she wanted an excuse to hire her friend to replace me.

If I were in Kid Amine's situation I would NOT have considered it justifiable unless you were newly on a high level of methadone that was causing noticeable physical effects. But it's such a tough situation because taking it to court could be a huge ordeal and there is such a huge stigma against drug users (even former ones) and MMT that it might be more stress than it's worth. I would have at least gotten a second opinion from another doctor and a letter stating that there appeared to be no impairment due to your medication.

thisisabsurd - I really don't think you should have the same problems since you are just taking methadone for pain, especially if the job is not one where being a little sleepy could seriously diminish your capacity to safely perform your job. The only problem I really foresee is that you lied to them on your drug disclosure form. So hopefully the methadone is out of your system, and if it isn't, hopefully they give you a chance to explain.
 
I'm in NY. I went for a pre-employment drug screening. The screener asked me if I was on any prescription meds. I told him I was on Methadone. He didn't even ask for proof despite me having my Clinic ID card on me. It wasn't disclosed to my employers because I have never gotten a question, strange look, remarks, or anything like that and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't of hired me if they knew due to stigma. I have been there for over a year. They love the work I do but are intimidated due to my size and demeanor from steroid use. I'm gentle as a lamb though, I just come off as a hard ass.
 
I lost a job over a legal prescription for methadone. was on 20mg/day, went for a physical, told the doc I was on it, and he wouldnt clear me to come back to work. I was not on methadone when I got the job.

This is illegal, a violation of the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act).

You're allowed to be on ANY drug for your drug test as long as it's prescribed, they are screening for use of illicit drugs. If they give you ANY bullshit about legally being prescribed methadone, I would tell them to lawyer up as it is a clear violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act.

I know a few people who had this happen to them and they won big-time against their employers.

A drugs stigma should NOT be a factor in decided whether you are the right candidate for the job. Whenever I go in for job urinalysis (which isnt much since I can't work anymore due to pain) I test positive for methamphetamine, opiates, benzos, basically the whole test lights up except for the illegal ones like cocaine. But they are all legally prescribed and I know quite a few lawyers and with their help, I've never had ANY trouble with pre-employment drug screening.
 
We discussed this at length in my addiction counseling classes; the ADA does not protect maintenance medication. There is no formal legal protection for people taking scheduled medications for maintenance or otherwise. I would welcome evidence to counter this but I have yet to see any and this has come up several times around here in the past.

Claiming you have all this experience and all your friends have 'won big against employers' is a convenient way to back up your point. Let's see some actual sources, cite some actual cases please.

You have a moderator title; you can't just make unfounded claims and I know these to be incorrect. You might be able to pressure employers with the threat of litigation but this is not the same thing as actual legal protection. Show me documentation of such please.
 
Hey man, I'm no longer in contact with these people.... Just forget I said anything....

A lot of them are chronic pain patients, only a few on MMT. No official sources, just personal accounts, from other patients at my pain clinic, so disregard my post.... I'm just going off of what I've been told by them and my doctors.
 
Update: haven't heard anything as of today. I suppose that could mean it tested positive for methadone and they are doing the confirmatory test right now...
 
I just got basically fired for a valid prescription of methadone. I began working for a company a few weeks ago and one day they called me into the office to say they had got my background check back and it had a simple possession charge on it from 10 years ago. The case was dismissed so I don't understand why it showed up anyway. So they told me I would be having to take a drug test the next day. I was afraid to let them know I take methadone and oxycodone daily so I tried to "pass" knowing it would be best to just come back clean. I went into work knowing I only had a few hours to take the test. After about 4 hours I was told that I had to go do a service call and the guy training me drove us. We pulled into labcorp and I really didn't have to fill out much paperwork but I did mention to the girl that I did take prescription meds but I did not have my scripts/bottles with me due to my employer's attempt to disguise what I was going to do. Anyway a week later I failed for methadone. I was told I had to leave so I fessed up and showed my employer my prescription. He said he would have to check with their insurance company. As I walked out around 11:30am I noticed a missed call from an 800 number. It was labcorp calling to see if I had a valid prescription and I got in touch and sent my pharmacy records. They claimed they would send out corrected test results showing I passed. Too little too late. I've already lost my job. I've tried to contact my job to no avail. I would've been better off denying any prescription and not showing my employer my scripts.

I know talking about tricking tests is not allowed but I will say if you take a decent dose of methadone daily or several times a day, you ain't tricking nobody but yourself. If you take much methadone (120mgs daily for me/4 10mgs 3x daily) you can't hide it if you pee in a cup. Also I learned take your pharmacy records in with you before you go take the test. The girl who tested me told me they would contact me if I failed for prescription meds to give me time to validate it. They gave me at most 15 minutes from the first missed call until my boss had the results in his hand. Not many folks answer calls from 1-800 numbers either especially if you are an online seller or use craigslist. They also called my personal phone and my job doesn't allow use of your personal phone nor does it get good reception.

To me methadone is the best pain medicine ever. I have never experienced nodding from it, I've only caught a buzz from it once since being prescribed it because I forgot I had taken my dose and took another dose and really all it did was make my ears ring for hours. I know meds affect people differently but I honestly feel methadone does not impair me in anyway. It make me feel normal and manages my pain as compared to roxies which does get me high aka fast talking.

My advice regarding drug screening is go ahead and get a recent copy of your prescriptions from your pharmacy and take it in with you. Hiding it will not work if you pee in the cup. If it comes back as positive for methadone or any med you are prescribed tell your employer it must be a mistake and immediately get on the phone with the company that drug tested you to get them to correct the results. The only issue with employment and methadone I see any issue with is if you drive a company car. I feel you should be fine to drive a company car but insurance companies certainly think different and cops can give you a DWI/DUI if they find out. I know years ago before I ever took pain meds I was given a methadone and it made me sick for 3 days so I know to a person with no tolerance it can adversly affect their performance but to a person in pain treatment or even drug treatment I don't think it should matter as long as you have been on it for quite sometime.

In my case I actually feel like I should be able to hold someone liable b/c I did what I was told to do. I've not been drug tested since being on the methadone treatment which I take for pain, not previous addiction so I didn't know exactly what would happen or how it would go. I've asked the usual suspects for advice on what to do and you get a different answer from every person. What I said above is exactly what happened to me. Sometimes honesty just hurts you. If I were dishonest I would have a job right now and that sucks.
 
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