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methadone amps/iv cylizine

Tryptamite

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are they still available? how much do they go for? i am in a rehab in london.
i finallly have access to cyclizine. would love to try the meth/cyc combo before i switch to subs.

i would settle for H but afraid of random drug test.

I dont mind waiting till i get out but i really dont want to be messing with opiates after i complete this rehab. ive learned a lot about addiction and i have decided to completely change my attitude about my drug use.

100mg iv cyclizine provides a nice rush on its own. i will try the sub/cyc combo, but subutex is nothing special iv.
 
Tryptamite said:
are they still available? how much do they go for? i am in a rehab in london.
i finallly have access to cyclizine. would love to try the meth/cyc combo before i switch to subs.

i would settle for H but afraid of random drug test.

I dont mind waiting till i get out but i really dont want to be messing with opiates after i complete this rehab. ive learned a lot about addiction and i have decided to completely change my attitude about my drug use.

100mg iv cyclizine provides a nice rush on its own. i will try the sub/cyc combo, but subutex is nothing special iv.
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Mate, if you're in rehab and fiending for a way to bang some cyc & meth, I cant quite see the 'attitude change' you claim. Not criticising, just wondering if this rehab is really working or you're just swallowing the shit they feed you only to be ejected back to reality in the same situation (but with a dangerously reduced tolerance. ) Just an observation, not a condemnation..
 
They're only available on a private prescription. I don't know what you mean by iv cyclizine though that's an anti-histamine and an entirely different thing.


...and yes, I hate to point out the obvious/be discouraging but if you're still searching for that buzz just how much has your attitude really changed? What kind of a rehab are you in where they're going to shift you on to an IV script?

Good luck with your recovery but I would suggest IV methadone is only a sensible option if you really really really can't stop using IV heroin. It's not a particularly healthy pattern to be in, better than rampant/reckless IV street drug use I guess but that's about it.
 
Many years ago when the NHS still scripted methadone amps for maintenance users felt that they offered little rush.....unless mixed with cyclazine.

This was an attempt to replicated the famous diconal rush (dipipernone + cyclazine tabs...prepared for injection).

This led to the methadone/cyclazine combo attaining almost mythical status among users.

Yes methadone amps are still available produced by Martindale (isn't everything) and very cheap (for the NHS that is)....but good luck finding them as they are hardly ever prescribed nowadays unless through private script.

I also agree it's a bit odd you saying your done with drugs, in rehab, changing your attitude etc. and still shooting raw cyclazine and wanting to obtain methadone amps....

Kind of defeats the purpose a bit?
 
Too right mate. I had a script for Diconal in about 2002 but changed to Oxy instead (never IV'd it though).

IIRC the pills are mixed with a silicon based filler instead of the normal talc which is why they wreck veins so much as it tends to re-solidify inside the venous system

Also the fact that Diconal is dipipernone and cyclazine mixed is where the methadone/cyclazine combo comes from...an attempt to replicate diconal
 
Yeah I know of the combo, thought matey was confusing injectable meth amps with cyclizine though. My mistake.

I don't think the silicone thing is actually true, if you look at the ingredients logged on medicines.org.uk there is no mention of any silicone compounds. Either way, they definitely fuck your veins.
 
I know how it sounds. the reality is that i am young and cant see myself living a completely drug free life. the problems that caused my life to become unmanageable were down to letting my drug cravings control me. I need to build up a healthy life around me, job, money, friends, hobbies, positive people and influences. literally start from the ground up.

go to NA meetings. try not to use opiates/iv coke. what else can i do. i want to have my cake and nibble at it from time to time, irregularly of course, because with pattern comes familiaraity breeds addiction.
 
How old are you?

A couple of things I will say, just my opinion though of course....

Unless you're going to engage with the 12 step program, or at the very least you've got it in your head that you want to be abstinent then I don't think there's a lot of point in NA long term. I spent maybe three years in and out of the rooms trying to be abstinent so I can appreciate the massive value of the support you can get there and just how much that can help. I don't go anymore because I just cant align some of the basic precepts with my thinking, but I often wish I had the support and outlet of that sort of fellowship. I think you have to be prepared to commit to the program 100% for it to keep you on the path you want to be on though really. Certainly if you're of the opinion that you can 'have [your] cake and eat it' then it probably isn't the place for you long term.

....and there was something else I was going to say but it has left my absent mind because I've been rambling.=D

I'm not in a massively unsimiliar situation to you at the moment, I'm trying to reconcile in my head whether I need to try for full abstinence again. I'm leaning towards no, I don't think that's the route I want to go this time. I know I can't fuck with opiates/benzos/cocaine/probably amphetamine too if I'm honest though. Don't get me wrong, I want to like fuck (although I don't struggle to envisage life without them like I used to) but I know I'm kidding myself if I start thinking I can get away with it really.

Certainly it sounds like you have some good stuff in your head about wanting to build up a healthy life around you, that won't keep you going in the direction you want to be if you can't get honesty/acceptance/contentment within yourself though imo.
 
thanks hatcat. i am in my mid 20s. i do struggle to envisage a life in the future completely free of drugs, however this time i am not merely waiting for my WDS to subside and i get to the point that i can use without throwing myself back into WDs again.

if i use again it will be months ahead into the future. i will not obssess about a "using date". I had thought that sticking to drugs that i would have infrequent access to regarding opiates might be a good idea, such as the cyc/h combo, dilaudid, oxymorphone etc.

I think an ex addict who has built up a fruitfull and busy drug free life around him is less likely to fall back into daily addiction. however i realise it is like playing with fire and hoping not to get burned.

I do want to quit. i want a life. good things. a nice gf. money, independence, etc. i know i need to forget about h to do that. i was given a fantastic opportunity with this rehab and I dont want to be an ungrateful brat and fuck it up, but at the same time i knew i wasnt 100% ready and was kind of pushed into it.
 
Sorry to hear your struggling mate. Thought it was a bit odd that a couple of the drugs you mention aren't available in the UK but then saw you live in Dublin where I take it the national formulary is different.

I can see the mental struggle you are going through in that you want all the nice things life has to offer but kind of know that these aren't long term compatible with heavy opiate use for fairly obvious reasons. At the same time though you feel that you are not ready to let go.

One thing though...please be careful if you do use in that you know your tolerance will have dropped and using a few months out of rehab is one of the most statistically likely times for people to OD. I've just seen the exact thing at work over the xmas in it's heart wrenchingly sad. Please be careful mate.

CAT - didn't you just come off subs recently? I'm really sorry to hear you're having some problems mate (also I spoke to our mutual friend the other day and she seems to be doing quite well so that's good ;) )
 
Yeah I came off subs in the summer, I was still on a diazepam script though. I carried on tapering down on that but picked up a little bit of a gear habit again in the run up to christmas, was liteterally just a couple of weeks using but my body picks up dependance so quickly if I have a relapse. Dunno whether it's because I only IV or something or because I've done so many detoxes in the past but a literally a few days continuous and I start feeling it. Came off them both 8 days ago though and I've been blessed with a pretty easy detox, almost recovered already.

I still speak to her regular, she's doing pretty well atm tbh. Certainly I'm happy because she seems to be relatively happy.

Tryp- I'm not in the business of telling people what to do, especially when I don't know them. Just do your best to be honest with yourself though innnit, ask yourself whether you're likely to ever be able to control a drug. I don't really know why I'm saying this given I've made the same mistake and gone back to the same drugs I know I can't control over and over and over, you just sound like you might be in denial a little bit (maybe not though, only you can answer that really). I guess I just felt I should say a few words because what you are going through sounds so similar to what I've been through (or present tense really, I'm still going through it if I'm honest).
 
Glad you've had a relatively pain free detox. What are your plans for the future? I guess that's a stupid question but you sound as if you're going through a bit of a mental battle with it. Sorry your having trouble but excellent for coming off again.

Do you think you will go back or is this it?

My situation is a bit different in that I've been prescribed legal opiates for pain for the last 20 years but after my last surgery I feel I don't need them any more and am in the process of coming off but I just wonder how I will feel after that length of time (on some incredibly high doses too - like 480mg Oxy a day at one point).

I guess it will be easier (I hope anyway) since getting off my tits was never my aim and I have no access to any street drugs or desire to take them.

I'm just sort of wondering what life will be like after being opiated for nearly 20 years.......gotta hope for the best I suppose
 
Do I think I will go back? I just don't know. I've detoxed and relapsed so so many times that I just have no confidence in my ability to stay clean really, I certainly wouldn't bet money on it happening

I can certainly envisage my life without drugs though, I have no desire to go back really. I've got other shit I want to be getting on with in my life and I want to stop the destructive cycle of behaviour that keeps standing in the way of that stuff. I don't think I'm going to try for full abstinence this time though, I'm not ruling it out but I'm not going mad chasing after it. Like I said earlier I know that there are certain drugs that I'm kidding myself if I think I can control them really, and I will certainly be aiming to steer clear of them. I feel like I'm getting old and I don't really care about not using them but that changes in a second if I'm out somewhere and everyone else is getting on them.

I do have a bit of an issue in that I'm having shoulder surgery some time in the new year and realistically I will need opiate based pain killers after that, but if I keep things sensible and I'm open and honest with my doctors then I think I should be ok. It's good that you're making the effort to come off scripted opiates, it sucks having to rely on having meds around to feel normal really eh. Probably not going to be great coming off 20 years of using them, but it shouldn't be crazy hard if you taper down nicely and do it right.
 
That sounds like a wise appraisal of the situation. I wish you luck.

The fact that you are having surgery and have had an opiate problem should in no way prevent you being given adequate pain relief. Pain relief is pain relief and is the right of everyone. All doctors, nurses and paramedics are taught that (unfortunately some are just total cunts).

I think that the fact I honestly don't need them anymore plus I've just turned 40 and my paramedic career is starting to take shape..I just felt it was time. Also with having access to opiates at work I didn't want anyone thinking that because I was prescribed opiates that I couldn't be trusted or anything. That shouldn't happen but you know how people are "oh an amp of morphine is missing...who was the last crew out? Oh him well he must have taken it"...you know the sort of people.

I would never in a million years do that but I just thought for so many reasons now is as good a time as ever. I've transferred onto methadone pills, started at 180mg and have dropped 10mg a week and now at 100mg. Might slow the taper down later but doing OK so far ;)
 
There are definitely various pros/cons to meth/subs, saying they are just two more opiods is way oversimplifying really.

That's a fast taper on the methadone there, surprised you've not had any issues. Smash it whilst it's going good though, get as much off as you can. Why did they have you on such a huge dose? Just what you needed for the pain relief? 180mg meth seems like a waaaay bigger daily dose than 480mg oxy to me, maybe I'm just weighing up the conversion wrong.

You'll defintiely have to slow down with that taper, it will start to suck badly at some point. Even when I was below 40mg and coming down 3mg/week I got so sick of it I jumped at 19mg. Ended up waking up in wd every morning and having to take my juice and then try my best to pass out for a few hours to sleep through until I was feeling alright again, then I would start feeling shit again before I even went to bed in the evening. I seem to be a fast metaboliser of opiates though, I wouldn't even get 24 hours of comfort out of 24mg bupe.
 
TBH my doctor for the most part of the last 20 years (certainly the first 15) was fucking clueless. I've been on morphine, diamorphone, fentanyl, hydromorphone, dipipernone, dextramoramide, codeine, dyhydrocodeine, tramadol, pentazacine, bupranorphine and methadone (and some I may have forgotten). The conversion doses for these things were probably done in his head and when I later researched them were way off.

Doctors (even ones with a clue like pain specialists) hate converting to and from methadone to other opiates as things like fast metaboliser (like yourself) and liver enzymes mean that the conversion for one person can be way off the conversion for another. When I was converted from methadone to fentanyl last year the guy said "look lets just start at 75mcg and work up because I have no idea what to start you on"

As for myself, that's just what I settled on but in truth it was probably too much (although I do have a stupid tolerance...500mg of methadone a day many times). Dropping 10 mg a week has been easy but the first bit always is. I tried a similar thing about 5 or 6 years ago and got down to 90mg and couldn't hack it and went straight back up. Things are different this time. Even though my life is a mess I'm in a better place mentally.

The last drop is as everyone describes horrible... but is that not because people make to steep drops at the end?...I mean percentage wise. The sensible thing (I think) would be to go back to the minimum dose you are comfortable on then continue down in smaller drops..yes it will take longer but even if it's 0.5mg a week or something it's still coming down. Doing 2mg drops from 10mg is different from 2mg drops at 50mg surely.

I may switch to bupe when I get to 30-40mg and taper that off instead though as a lot of people have successfully done that
 
Yeah opiate conversion is notoriously difficult anyway isn't it. Doesn't help that conversion for pain relief is not necessarily the same as conversion to cover wd. Your doc souds mad, what have they had you on that cocktail for? Will definitely be pushing to get the best pain relief I can after my surgery, am slightly concerned about using opiates for any extended period though so I will probably smash it all in the first week and then just tough it out from there.

I would definitely change over to sub and then taper that if I were you, I only did what I did because I was in a hurry. Detox from 19ml was pretty horrible.
 
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