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Meth - Very Experienced - Bor-ing!

sarbanes said:
I find it quite odd that you had an easier time finding racemic meth, over pure dextro. And this coming from someone who has never bought meth before! I still find it ususual, and counterintuitive.
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Why? A racemic drug is almost always a lot easier to produce because you don't have to separate the isomers out after synthesis. And separating the isomers is no easy task.
 
fasteddie said:
I've gotten stuff like that. Could it have been methcathinone, or some such nonsense?
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Well, gee, the label on the package didn't say so. :p

I'm kidding. I have no idea how I'd tell if something was methcathinone. It isn't like the connection is going to tell me. I know what bathtub crank usually looks like, and this wasn't it. But apparently they're making lame meth that looks pretty these days. It wasn't like I bought it on the street, the supplier is known to me.

I don't like seriously sampling before I buy, that seems crass when it's a social situation, but I may have to adopt that policy from now on.
 
Ive been breaking rules all my life and feel more "enlightened" then "screwed".

If you dont mind me asking.
How old are you?
No reason really just curious..

None of your friends smoke it?
If so you should let them smoke a bowl and tell you what they think.
 
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Xorkoth said:
Why? A racemic drug is almost always a lot easier to produce because you don't have to separate the isomers out after synthesis. And separating the isomers is no easy task.
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Exactly. Racemic pseudoephedrine produce racemic methamphetamine. From what Ive ready any variation in effect is due to byproducts created during the reaction. Some say short dry cooks produce a more euphoric product with more of a rush similar to crack while longer wet cooks produce a product with effects similar to adderall. From what Ive read most people nowadays are using the longer wet cooks because it works better with all the gakks inside pills today. Of course I have no idea if this is true or not but its just what Ive heard.

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"Methamphetamine (and amphetamine) have only one chiral (handed) centre. This is basically which way the methyl (CH3) group next to the amine (NH) points.

The S (dextro) isomers of methamphetamine and amphetamine are the more active, but this is reversed in the case of some other amphetamine based compounds (Ie. MDMA, where the R (levo) isomer is more active. See Pihkal #109).

Street meth is usually either synthesised from racemic ephedrine in which case it racemic or less commonly diverted from medical sources in which case it will be d-methamphetamine.

The resolution of racemic amphetamine is possible, but rather involved."

-Synthorcist
 
mobblunted said:
Ive been breaking rules all my life and feel more "enlightened" then "screwed".

If you dont mind me asking.
How old are you?
No reason really just curious..

None of your friends smoke it?
If so you should let them smoke a bowl and tell you what they think.
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I'm 40. I was introduced to meth when I was 25, in 1992. I don't have many freinds who party anymore, period. But no, none of my friends smoke it or ever have. That's considered sort of ghetto, and someone smoking it would be viewed as a creepy junkie rather than someone just having some fun on a weekend. Doing meth in any form is edgy enough in my crowd.

Of course we all break other people's rules - that's why we're here on this board. My point is that, especialy with a drug like meth, you have to decide what your limits are, and then stick to them. Presumably you decide them based on what you feel would be best for yourself in the long run. So that even if, in a moment, I think, "wow, I bet it would feel really good if I did so-and-so," I then also think, "yeah, but, that probably wouldn't be a good idea overall."

That's what I've done, and I feel that's why I've been able to use meth recreationally and responsibly for fifteen years without any serious negative effects. It's the ability to forsee possible negative outcomes that far outweigh the momentary pleasure. And I'm sure I don't have to explain what the possible downsides of meth use are.
 
Yeah I definitely understand what your saying meth is definitely very taboo in any normal social circle.

Well I definitely applaud your self control.
I agree its definitely much much easier to use recreationally and responsibly if you limit your method of administration to oral consumption. Besides I think its a better more "feel good" less tweaked out high. I wouldnt even mess with snorting it if you really want to be safe. Snorting its about as addicting as smoking it. I know people whod rather snort it than smoke it because they think smokings a waste.... which I guess it really is.

Yeah its rare to see older people lurking these message boards. Its a good place for drug information though, the moderators are especially good at providing quality information.

Oh and IM 20 in case you were wondering. Yup im a big kid now. lol.

Take care and be safe....
 
smoking meth from a bong

i haven't done meth in like 6 years.. but one of the last experiences i had was in a bong.. woohoo.. 8( talk about a whistle between your ears.. before that i had never said "stop".. two hits off the bong.. and i was ready to run a marathon.. maybe just a mental marathon.. lol

just wanted to add my 2 cents..

although, those days are behind me.. and I love opiates so much more.. ((((((((((((OXY'S)))))))))))
 
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Oh really?

Xorkoth said:
Why? A racemic drug is almost always a lot easier to produce because you don't have to separate the isomers out after synthesis. And separating the isomers is no easy task.
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Almost always, that’s the key. But the most popular synth (and therefore, the most likely to be found on the street) utilizes only D-pseudoephedrine as primary precursor. And typically, traditionally, the racemic product is made through reductive amination utilizing P2P/methylamine. In the 60's and early 70's, you would most likely be encountering the racemate most commonly. Time to brush up on things, aay Xorkoth! Its all good ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoephedrine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine
 
mobblunted said:
Exactly. Racemic pseudoephedrine produce racemic methamphetamine. From what Ive ready any variation in effect is due to byproducts created during the reaction. Some say short dry cooks produce a more euphoric product with more of a rush similar to crack while longer wet cooks produce a product with effects similar to adderall. From what Ive read most people nowadays are using the longer wet cooks because it works better with all the gakks inside pills today. Of course I have no idea if this is true or not but its just what Ive heard.

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"Methamphetamine (and amphetamine) have only one chiral (handed) centre. This is basically which way the methyl (CH3) group next to the amine (NH) points.

The S (dextro) isomers of methamphetamine and amphetamine are the more active, but this is reversed in the case of some other amphetamine based compounds (Ie. MDMA, where the R (levo) isomer is more active. See Pihkal #109).

Street meth is usually either synthesised from racemic ephedrine in which case it racemic or less commonly diverted from medical sources in which case it will be d-methamphetamine.

The resolution of racemic amphetamine is possible, but rather involved."

-Synthorcist
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Nope not true. For starters, commercial pseudoephedrine is only the D enantiomer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enantiomer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudoephedrine

99% of the racemic meth has been supplanted by the pseudo method now (yielding only D-Meth, plus what ever other crap), since phenylacetone became a controlled substance in the 1970's. Obviously, any additive synth such as this will yield a 50:50 of all diastereomers. That is why the racemate would be comparitively rare, and why I (rightly) thought it odd that it was claimed that the more "common" racemate was all they could get now. Just doesn't make any sense. tnx;)
 
I would consider myself very experienced with meth, and after a while, I decided that smoking was the only way to go. Pipe, bong, whatever, if you want serious earth-shattering euphoria, that's the way to go. However, I also got hooked and it ruined my life for a while. But I'm clean off it now, and doing better than ever. Meth sucked my fucking soul right out of me, killed my personality, my humor, my creativity, my sex drive, my ability to focus, everything. My entire life was centered around getting fucking wasted. Most people just can't escape the grasp of crystal. I still see it happening to people I know now. I've been off it for almost 19 months. I did it once earlier this year, took 3 hits and put the pipe down. It was ok, not that great, just ok. Now that I did that, I have no desire to do it anymore. I've always been a downer person anyway, it's just that the euphoria from smoking that shit is fucking incredible. Better than MDMA. Or, smoke some shard on the peak of your roll! Talk about fucking fucked up!
 
I snort powdered meth every weekend usually. I would say it's a habitual thing that is hard to break out of, doing it weekly that is, but it would take a lot more convincing from the positive aspects of meth to have me do it more than 2 days in a row. I could never see myself getting addicted to it but for the time I'm on it I find it pleasant. But really it isn't the high itself I like so much, I more just love socialising with good friends on it.

Because after all isn't that what life's all about.
 
college_dropout said:
But really it isn't the high itself I like so much, I more just love socialising with good friends on it.

Because after all isn't that what life's all about.
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Careful...I loved it for the social steroid properties too; but before I realized it I was blowing off friends to go track down a bag, etc, etc....fairly soon I prefered being alone when I was/getting jacked....especially once IV was my method of choice....
 
Meth IS a really fucked drug, generally speaking. And I'm not talking from the many times irreversable brain damage, done by long term meth use, but just generally all the people I've known, known of, etc..and I would even include any more people I met on here and talked in depth about this subject. Compared to most any other drug actually, meth has fucked with almost every single person I've known,etc, at one time or another in their past/present use. That doesn't mean that the results are disastrous, but a lot of the time(s) it is. If you dont believe me, go to a bunch of randomly geographically placed NA meetings, rehabs, and hospital ER's around this country, (mostly on the west coast though..meth use in general), and make up a little tally board, checking off each meth related incident you encounter....and that's just going to places where the tweakers have "fucked up". Yeah I said tweakers, because there is obviously a difference. You have used meth for 15 years?..all in moderation.. No problems other then sleeping? And the "meth" you've been getting in recent times sucks ass? And now your (assumingly) serious about possible stopping altogether, which btw as you stated, was mainly (if only) because you can't get good meth anymore? Where's the lesson here again? So you've been fortunate..GOOD. But to insinuate that meth use in general "isn't really a big deal..gosh, it's just meth..I mean...I <<<< never smoked the shit, IV'd, or anything like that. I was ALWAYS under control. Who are you kidding?

I don't know. Pardon the french but you can't bullshit a bullshitter.


NikkiNumberNine said:
My latest meth experiences: kinda meh, frankly.

Everyone always talks about how meth is TEH BIG EVIL and once you try it, you're doomed to a life of toothless face-picking hell. That is so not my experience. Especially lately.

Let me tell you about me and meth. I don't smoke it and I don't IV it. I rail it or eat it. I've been doing meth occasionally for fifteen years. My highest usage rate was about every other weekend, for perhaps six months. Before and after that, my average is about every two months. I have gone over a year at certain times. It's never interfered with my life in any significant way, and I don't consider myself an addict.

I have to say all that because of the reputation of the drug. But frankly, the meth I've been getting lately is kinda boring me. I bought a bag recently and it looked great - glittery, crystal clear shards. From Canada, I was told. I was excited.

Then I noticed: this doesn't quite smell right. Meth has a certain odor, and this didn't have it. But ok, maybe it's a different wash or something, I don't know. So, chopped it, laid it out, snarfed it up and....

A mild buzz. That's it. Okay, Nikki, maybe your tolerance has been increased by the adderall you've been taking lately. Try another line. I did.

Same thing. No rush. And noticeably, no burn, either. The drip was positively mild, too. Looks like my pretty shards have been stepped on all to hell. Shit. I could take a couple of Adderall and get a stronger rush than this.

So I put the bag away and got out the coke. Now, I think coke is a slightly wimpy stim. But at least it wears off soon enough so you can actually get to sleep by, say, dawn. So if the payoff is small, at least the investment isn't much either.

The intense rush is the only reason for putting up with all the drawbacks of meth. If it isn't going to be a body-slam, then there's no point in doing it!

So all that hype about how once you try meth, you're a slave forever? Nah. If Miss Crystal doesn't start delivering some better times to me soon, I'm going to have to kiss her goodbye forever.
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college_dropout said:
I snort powdered meth every weekend usually. I would say it's a habitual thing that is hard to break out of, doing it weekly that is, but it would take a lot more convincing from the positive aspects of meth to have me do it more than 2 days in a row. I could never see myself getting addicted to it but for the time I'm on it I find it pleasant. But really it isn't the high itself I like so much, I more just love socialising with good friends on it.

Because after all isn't that what life's all about.
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I wouldn't go as far as to say life is all about having a good time socializing with friends, (I get your point), but I do know that life is definately more enjoyable when you are no longer willingly/unwillingly a slave to an external chemical catalyst, (which costs money and can completely fuck your life over), that you "don't need, and can quit at any time...and won't ever go back", just to get through the day/week/month/who gives a fuck nut? Don't get me wrong..I'm an "ex-addict", and have relapse a number of times since i quit a few years ago, so it's not like this is comming from someone who doesn't know what it's like to be geeked out of your mind. I lost where I was going with this..one thing's for sure..meth is EXTREMELY fucking addictive, especially once you get to know the drug better, and appreciate it's useful qualities, that one then uses as a chemical "crutch", for getting through life. I would love to do a gram of it once in a blue moon, because I get mostly enjoyment/usefulness out of it...other then not being able to sleep and looking like a zombie crack head with sunken in eyes, but the problem is that for a lot of us that end up trying it, we end up liking it too much. I wouldn't be so "against" it if it wasn't such a physically powerful body/mind destroying drug..let alone the fact that it starts to physically fuck with you, right when you ingest the shit... ugh. yeah, I like when my lips get all flakey dried, and crusted up with dead skin, no matter how much water i drink. It's fun shit. Again, i dont really know where I am going with this....so yeah, tweak on!
 
sorry about all the posts, instead of one. My computer is fucking up. anyways, pretty much completely agree with this.


mobblunted said:
Yeah I definitely understand what your saying meth is definitely very taboo in any normal social circle.

Well I definitely applaud your self control.
I agree its definitely much much easier to use recreationally and responsibly if you limit your method of administration to oral consumption. Besides I think its a better more "feel good" less tweaked out high. I wouldnt even mess with snorting it if you really want to be safe. Snorting its about as addicting as smoking it. I know people whod rather snort it than smoke it because they think smokings a waste.... which I guess it really is.

Yeah its rare to see older people lurking these message boards. Its a good place for drug information though, the moderators are especially good at providing quality information.

Oh and IM 20 in case you were wondering. Yup im a big kid now. lol.

Take care and be safe....
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Look, I'm not challenging anyone else's experience. The only thing I want to add to any dialogue about meth is: it has only the power you give it. That's the thing I see happening with meth more than with any other drug right now: people speaking as if it has some inherent property that makes it dangerous. It is neither more nor less dangerous than many other drugs. So yes, it can ruin your life, no question. So can lots of other substances. It's nothing but powder, until you put it in your body.

I can't tell anyone else what their experiences with meth will be. But, especially in an atmosphere where there's all this emotional response to the mere discussion of the drug, I'm just going to say: this is how it worked for me.
 
If you really want to experience meth without shooting up go get a meth-bong. Its just a little 6 inch bong you would use for weed but the bowl is a meth pipe thats bent into in L-shape so it fits in the bong. Go get at least a teener better yet an 8-ball. NOW SMOKE YOURSELF FUCKING RETARDED!!!
Then come back and post your experience here. Smoking meth in a bong is fucking AMAZING!!! A-FUCKINGMAZING!!!
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I second that emotion. I don't have much experience, but one of the ones that I did have involved this simple device... wow.
 
first of all, Dexter your the man for posting all that. i agree with everything you said.

wtf is wrong with anyone that tells another to "go smoke meth! you'll seriously love it, dude!" are you fucking kidding me? Nikki has obviously laid down his own rules and had to defend them on harm reduction board.

I really admire your inner motivation to not smoke or IV it, and i think you're right: you only get addicted if you don't realize/respect it's power and dont lay down rules for yourself. but i dont think that you should say that meth is a 'whatever' type of drug. the only thing that's going to stop this epidemic, which it is, is educationing ppl about how horrible it can (possibly) be and that they shouldn't think that they are stronger than the drug. which is what you were saying, i guess.

also, i guess its just me but i cant even think about how gross it would be to snort a line that didnt do anything and how much retarded shit could be in my body. i'm not flaming i'm just saying thats kinda messed up if you think about it. at least when if i smoke low grade bud its not cuz some asshole added something to the bag or fucked the synthesis up.
 
itsjustme said:
the last time i did it the rush was amazing (iv) but the high was sooo mild, almosy sleepy actually. i only did 2 .1g shots over about 8 hours. but the comedown lasted THREE DAYS. from the time of my last shot i can normally sleep within 24 hours. but it was over 72 hours since the last shot that i could sleep. i wasnt high. it was the comedown from hell. it smelled, looked, tasted the same but feels different. it has changed for the worse imo :\
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Had you been using it heavily already? IME you just described the typical effects from meth when a person is badly strung out or burned out.

Taking a break for a week or three would probably help a lot. At minimum, get some strong sleep medications and sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep.
 
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