Meth Meth Primer: Post Your Meth Tips Hints & Hacks Here

[TheBookBurner]

ChatGPT says:

The metabolism and chemical breakdown of methamphetamine and related substances are well-documented in pharmacological literature:

1. Methamphetamine Metabolism: Methamphetamine primarily metabolizes into amphetamine in the body. The primary metabolic pathways include oxidative deamination, aromatic hydroxylation, and N-demethylation, resulting mainly in amphetamine as a metabolite. However, methamphetamine does not metabolize into ephedrine or pseudoephedrine; rather, these are chemically distinct substances and are not byproducts of methamphetamine metabolism. (Source: National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA), "Methamphetamine", and the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), "Drugs of Abuse").
2. Sources of Ephedrine and Pseudoephedrine: Ephedrine and pseudoephedrine are common in over-the-counter medications, particularly those for colds and allergies. They can also be used as precursor chemicals in the illegal manufacture of methamphetamine, which sometimes leads to contamination in street methamphetamine products. (Source: U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA), "Methamphetamine and Amphetamines" and World Health Organization (WHO), "Ephedrine and Pseudoephedrine").
3. Analysis of Illicit Methamphetamine Contaminants: Studies on illicit methamphetamine have found that street samples can contain various cutting agents or contaminants, including ephedrine or pseudoephedrine, depending on the manufacturing process. This can happen if the methamphetamine is synthesized from precursors that contain these substances or if they are used as additives. (Source: Journal of Analytical Toxicology, “Analysis of Methamphetamine and Related Compounds in Illicit Samples”).

These sources confirm that while methamphetamine can be contaminated with ephedrine or pseudoephedrine, these compounds are not metabolites but rather are often involved in the manufacturing process or ingested separately.

 

[unodelacosa]

ChatGPT says:

ChatGPT now, huh? That paragon of truth…

So I asked Ollama 3 and was told:

"Methamphetamine is a potent central nervous system (CNS) stimulant that is metabolized by the liver into several compounds, including:

1. Amphetamine: This is the primary metabolite of methamphetamine, accounting for about 40-50% of the compound's elimination.
2. Phenylacetone (PAA): Also known as benzeneacetic acid, PAA is a secondary metabolite of methamphetamine, making up around 10-20% of the compound's elimination.
3. Ephedrine: While ephedrine is not a direct metabolite of methamphetamine, it can be formed through the metabolism of phenylacetone (PAA), which is a metabolite of methamphetamine.

In other words, methamphetamine → amphetamine → PAA → ephedrine (indirectly)

Ephedrine is not a primary metabolite of methamphetamine, but rather an indirect product of the metabolism of one of its metabolites. This means that ephedrine is not a direct byproduct of methamphetamine's breakdown in the body.
It's essential to note that the metabolism of methamphetamine can vary depending on individual factors, such as liver function and genetic polymorphisms."

But whatever. Perhaps it does mean that you managed to find some meth made from pseudoephedrine/ephedrine. I'm less inclined to draw conclusions from metabolized products and would much rather the untouched original product be tested instead, but hey, that's just me. If you wanna take this as irrefutable evidence, go for it. Makes no difference to me, except maybe the trend will sustain. Who knows?

 

[unodelacosa]

Well so Sasha Shulgin once theorized that methamphetamine is first made from ephedrine which removes an oxygen atom, so that the molecule is sufficiently lipophilic to cross the blood brain barrier, after which the brain adds an oxygen back onto the beta position. However, most evidence doesn't seem to point toward this but rather away from it, with meth never synthesizing into ephedrine in vivo. So I'm actually more inclined to believe you than not, @TheBookBurner, just for the record. I'm not sure Ollama 3 knows WTF it's talking about either. It insists meth metabolizes into phenylacetone, fine, but I doubt very seriously phenylacetone is reductively aminated into ephedrine in the body. So never mind the above. I'm with you that the presence of ephedrine might indicate its reduction as the synthesis for the meth in question.

 

[Cult315]

Snorting meth is painful and unpleasant. Also, you technically vaporize and inhale meth, you don't really smoke it since nothing should be combusting if you're doing it right, but I admit I'm splitting hairs and I too say "smoking meth" when I mean "vaping" it, b/c "vaping" makes ppl think of cartridges, which I don't use (but have in the past just for the fuck of it).

Smoking it is where it's at for meth consumption – shooting it's a little too hardcore and snorting it is painful. Vaping it is just right. (edit: that is, if you're gonna do meth. Probs best left untouched, but we both know that isn't going to happen for everyone. Some of us are too talented at it, lol.)

I only used meth a handful of times until I got with my fiancé, her late fiancé got her bad into fent and the only way I was able to get her off was swapping to meth and we’ve pretty much been on it since. I always eventually get pissed and make her choose me or drugs and she always chooses me, but every time we go back to it. I fucking hate the shit but if there’s drugs present I’m doing them(with the exception of fent as I heavily overdo everything and know I’ll end up dead very fast if I ever do it purposely)

Went a little off topic but until my fiancé I’d only ever known snorting it. Obviously I knew you could smoke/IV but I don’t do needles for the same reason I don’t do fent and smoking it always just seemed too dirty. Never personally knew anybody who actually used meth other than a few friends that used it like I did, the only ones I knew of were the people that always hung around the shitty buildings downtown in my hometown so always pictured myself being like those sketch ass people if I started smoking it. Well my girl would only smoke it cause sniffing hurt too bad despite my protest that after you get used to it the burn feels almost as good as the drug, but I started smoking with her cause the ROA gets rid of your drugs way faster than sniffing does and I was sick of paying for most of the drugs and only doing like 1/4 of them at best lol.

Instantly got hooked just on the act of smoking it, the way the smoke rolls in the pipe looks so fucking awesome and while it didn’t quite hit me as hard or long as a good line did, re dosing so often gave me constant bursts of GO that i couldn’t stop. As much as I hate the drug it became very problematic very fast as soon as I started smoking it

 

[garygroundwork]

Instantly got hooked just on the act of smoking it, the way the smoke rolls in the pipe looks so fucking awesome and while it didn’t quite hit me as hard or long as a good line did, re dosing so often gave me constant bursts of GO that i couldn’t stop. As much as I hate the drug it became very problematic very fast as soon as I started smoking it

so snorting hits harder and longer and smoking just quicker, more addictive and u like the process.

anything else u have noticed?

u never parachuted it??

 

[unodelacosa]

Instantly got hooked just on the act of smoking it, the way the smoke rolls in the pipe looks so fucking awesome and while it didn’t quite hit me as hard or long as a good line did, re dosing so often gave me constant bursts of GO that i couldn’t stop. As much as I hate the drug it became very problematic very fast as soon as I started smoking it

I'm sorry to hear you're having drug abuse problems with methamphetamine. I've always seen it like this: snorting and ingesting it puts it all up in my system and it takes my body longer to rid itself of the drug that way. Shooting it is too intense, bad for the veins (in time) and leads to problems. Vaporizing it (smoking it) is the most ethereal way of putting it in my system. I don't feel as attached to it when I do it that way. It's just something to puff. Feels less serious. Sure, there's a little bit of a rush in beginning, but that's not really what I'm after as much as the longer term effect, but I'm cautious not to overdo it and get so spun I'm no good at anything or to anyone, which is where heavy meth use puts me: spunTF out. Fuck that noise. I've learned to enjoy what I've got in terms of the high, while I have it, to take some tolerance breaks and change up my routine, throwing in some psychedelics, some dissociatives, plenty of weed, a little this and that, and I manage to sleep most nights. Oh plus I eat and bathe, &c. I'm not recommending anyone use methamphetamine, but if you're going to anyway, it's worth attempting your best to do it correctly and with the most harm reductive methods available.

so snorting hits harder and longer and smoking just quicker, more addictive and u like the process.

All ways are fairly "addictive" or tolerance- and dependency-forming. With IV, people tend to use way more than is needed or safe. Eventually this can lead to having a stroke – I know some ppl whom this has happened to following shooting a massive dose. It's almost a different drug at that point. Now smoking it can also lead to a massive overuse of the drug, and the habit of smoking tends to form and people will stop paying attention to how much they're smoking. Dosing carefully and purposefully is important. With snorting and ingesting, there's a higher chance the person will actually weigh out their dose properly and be more mindful of things, but this is not always the case. Regardless, insufflation is my least favorite way. I'd rather just ingest at that point.

u never parachuted it??

Meth is hella bitter-tasting, so I've made up capsules of it in the past for ingestion. Otherwise I'll just dissolve a measured and crushed-up amount of methamphetamine and dissolve it in say a ¼ cup of orange juice or similar, and past the teeth and over the tongue; look out stomach: here it comes…

 

[Cult315]

People who use stimulants underestimate how helpful common sleep aids/depressants can be. A lot of the negative consequences of abusing stimulants come from the lifestyle of using these drugs, not even just the commonly known & discussed side effects of the given compound. What do I mean by this? Well, the combination of not eating right, not hydrating properly, not sleeping nearly enough, your cardiovascular system constantly under more stress than any healthy individual etc. really adds up quickly. For these reasons, the best way a person can reduce harm with stimulants imo is avoiding binges/frequent use, and limiting themselves to certain amount a set time frame. That's where a depressant or sleep aid can come in, when you hit that time, you can take your sleep aid or choice and break the cycle of re-dosing and speeding your balls off. Out of every class of drugs I ever used, nothing made me compulsively re-dose and desire that next dose more than stims. Not even close.

Exactly why I’ve always hated stims, except coke lol just couldn’t afford it nearly enough to make it a real habit. When sniffing meth id say I had it under control to an extent, mostly because it just lasted me way longer and I didn’t feel the need to do it constantly or every day. To be honest as much as I love the burn it turned me off from doing more once I came down and I’d actually sleep. Smoking it though I just can’t stop. I know I should, I know I really need to, just can’t. I’ll be up for days at a time and what sleep I do get is usually just crashing for an hour or 2 max after having sex with my girl for a couple hours with little or no hydration/nutrition.

I definitely don’t look like a tweaker(yet) and neither does she but to anybody who knows us, at least me cause she’s always been pretty tiny can immediately see the drastic weight change. Not that I was obese or anything before but I’m a good sized guy, always worked with my hands and loved drinking beer so I’ve had a “dad bod” since I was like 19 and you can tell I’ve lost more weight than I should for a dude of my size. Before I quit this last time you could really tell in my face too, which is really what got people to start saying something. I quit and very quickly gained 20 lbs back. I started back up again and my sub supply got cut off(no matter how hard I try to quit those bitches I just can’t) so now I’m sick as fuck and amped up and eating less than ever even though I started off really good forcing myself to eat and drink. Currently just feeling like straight shit but fast. I hate meth lol

 

[Luke232007]

Well it used to be ephedrine was cheap cooking it takes time and energy since as I understand it the point is to make money this product is often adulterated and what better substance than ephedrine I suspect all we're getting is ISO ephedrine and acetone well throwing a little MSN just for texture oh and clouds. People really think the cartels are taking that extra step get rid of l got to remember these are gangsters okay they don't care they just want their money and soon. Typically the quality varies depending on the time of months too the best way to earn money is to introduce it with a relatively high quality and then to repeat return purchases are of lesser quality. Every step of distribution is likely to be stepped on and no they don't risk less by try to transport pure product across the border they risk less by cutting it first.

 

[unodelacosa]

Well it used to be ephedrine was cheap cooking it takes time and energy since as I understand it the point is to make money this product is often adulterated and what better substance than ephedrine

I mean, if one already has the ephedrine, then why not reduce it to meth by one of the easy and known methods? Any of them will produce d-isomer meth only with a ~92% conversion yield if done correctly. At that point, the unconverted ephedrine is already the cutting agent, so to speak, just by virtue of being in the reaction mixture post-reaction. But the vast majority of meth is not being made from ephedrine these days. It's regulated, reportable, and difficult to obtain in quantity without unwanted attention. Even the Chinese ephedra plant, Ma Huang, is now difficult to acquire. And so syntheses involving P2P are the norm, and today's meth ranges from ~7% to ~30% l-isomer owing to the repetitive process of stereoisomer resolution.

I suspect all we're getting is ISO ephedrine and acetone well throwing a little MSN just for texture oh and clouds.

MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane) is not a typical cutting agent these days, and anyway it's easily removed by crushing your gear and baking it at 250°F for 10–15 minutes. There's no iso ephedrine nor n-isopropylbenzylamine which I suspect is what you meant. Btw, I get it – I used to repeat these things myself. But then I got schooled by certain people and looked other things up, challenged my assumptions, and changed my mind in light of new evidence. Meaning to say: sorry, I don't mean to be so critical and I'm not trying to put you on blast. I just wanted to update your knowledge base bc you seem like someone who cares about that sorta thing. Hope you don't mind, and know that I'm coming from a place of love, as it were, no hard feelings & all, cheers!

People really think the cartels are taking that extra step get rid of l got to remember these are gangsters okay they don't care they just want their money and soon.

Yeah, but gangster though they may be, ultimately they care the most about profits. And good business is just good business, no matter what. So, it behooves the criminal enterprise to have the best gear on the market. And "cartel" is a misnomer, bc in fact there are several syndicates, all in fierce competition with one another in Mexico. There's the Gulf Cartel which splintered into Los Zetas, La Familia Michoacana and Knights Templar Cartel; there's Sinaloa which has like 15 branches under it; there's Tijuana Cartel, Juárez Cartel con La Línea y Barrio Azteca, and myriad street gangs and small-criminal organizations. It's a lot of competition. And, as in any market, competition is good for the consumer as ti drives down prices and drives up quality and—funny enough—customer service.

Typically the quality varies depending on the time of months too the best way to earn money is to introduce it with a relatively high quality and then to repeat return purchases are of lesser quality.

I disagree. That's a good way of losing customers who are keenly aware of quality and will defect when competition has superior product.

Every step of distribution is likely to be stepped on and no they don't risk less by try to transport pure product across the border they risk less by cutting it first.

I think you're maybe being a little too cynical. I get it – sometimes the quality sucks. That's why it's clutch to have multiple sources. It's also clutch to have different stimulant drugs you can use so you're never too bound to any one of them, and you can wait until you find better gear.

 

[Luke232007]

I mean, if one already has the ephedrine, then why not reduce it to meth by one of the easy and known methods? Any of them will produce d-isomer meth only with a ~92% conversion yield if done correctly. At that point, the unconverted ephedrine is already the cutting agent, so to speak, just by virtue of being in the reaction mixture post-reaction. But the vast majority of meth is not being made from ephedrine these days. It's regulated, reportable, and difficult to obtain in quantity without unwanted attention. Even the Chinese ephedra plant, Ma Huang, is now difficult to acquire. And so syntheses involving P2P are the norm, and today's meth ranges from ~7% to ~30% l-isomer owing to the repetitive process of stereoisomer resolution.


MSM (Methylsulfonylmethane) is not a typical cutting agent these days, and anyway it's easily removed by crushing your gear and baking it at 250°F for 10–15 minutes. There's no iso ephedrine nor n-isopropylbenzylamine which I suspect is what you meant. Btw, I get it – I used to repeat these things myself. But then I got schooled by certain people and looked other things up, challenged my assumptions, and changed my mind in light of new evidence. Meaning to say: sorry, I don't mean to be so critical and I'm not trying to put you on blast. I just wanted to update your knowledge base bc you seem like someone who cares about that sorta thing. Hope you don't mind, and know that I'm coming from a place of love, as it were, no hard feelings & all, cheers!


Yeah, but gangster though they may be, ultimately they care the most about profits. And good business is just good business, no matter what. So, it behooves the criminal enterprise to have the best gear on the market. And "cartel" is a misnomer, bc in fact there are several syndicates, all in fierce competition with one another in Mexico. There's the Gulf Cartel which splintered into Los Zetas, La Familia Michoacana and Knights Templar Cartel; there's Sinaloa which has like 15 branches under it; there's Tijuana Cartel, Juárez Cartel con La Línea y Barrio Azteca, and myriad street gangs and small-criminal organizations. It's a lot of competition. And, as in any market, competition is good for the consumer as ti drives down prices and drives up quality and—funny enough—customer service.


I disagree. That's a good way of losing customers who are keenly aware of quality and will defect when competition has superior product.


I think you're maybe being a little too cynical. I get it – sometimes the quality sucks. That's why it's clutch to have multiple sources. It's also clutch to have different stimulant drugs you can use so you're never too bound to any one of them, and you can wait until you find better gear.

Absolutely agree multiple sources and different stimulants is the best but hey we can't just go on the internet now pick our favorite substitution and pay with a credit card can we?

 

[unodelacosa]

Absolutely agree multiple sources and different stimulants is the best but hey we can't just go on the internet now pick our favorite substitution and pay with a credit card can we?

If you take the extra steps of anonymizing crypto, accessing the darknet (properly), encrypting your messages yourself w/PGP, and selecting a reputable vendor on a relatively stable darknet market platform, then technically speaking, yes it is possible for a person to do this. Per site rules I would not advocate anyone do this to break the law. But make no mistake: there are millions of dollars worth of drugs being shipped through various couriers—USPS, Canada Post, Royal Mail, etc. + private couriers—right now in the system, blending right in and highly likely to reach their destination without incident, most if not all of it paid for with crypto, particularly Monero and Bitcoin.

But you know, that also comes with its own set of risks and rewards… there are pros and cons. Might be easier/better to go out and meet people, and have fun, too. The old school method of going out to events and finding the right scene, then networking as a means of acquiring new sources for things can be more challenging but it's also more rewarding if one makes friends along the way. Networking has its own built-in advantages and in general is a useful skill to have and develop. Just don't be a douche; stay humble and give respect. Good luck either way!

 

[GorillaBugattiMac]

Well it used to be ephedrine was cheap cooking it takes time and energy since as I understand it the point is to make money this product is often adulterated and what better substance than ephedrine I suspect all we're getting is ISO ephedrine and acetone well throwing a little MSN just for texture oh and clouds. People really think the cartels are taking that extra step get rid of l got to remember these are gangsters okay they don't care they just want their money and soon. Typically the quality varies depending on the time of months too the best way to earn money is to introduce it with a relatively high quality and then to repeat return purchases are of lesser quality. Every step of distribution is likely to be stepped on and no they don't risk less by try to transport pure product across the border they risk less by cutting it first.

yup I think you’re right brother . N - iso is what I hear often lately , and just a touch of meth to get the juices flowing , and come back . Idk man I got wit it 3-4 years ago and fell in love!!! But like the last few months sheeeeshh am I even high ? Wtf man but it looks no different. The taste ? Idk I was a shooter until January this year my veins are gone . Never really smoked , now I do. Dos that play a part? It does since I never really knew the taste and stuff . It’s throwing me off . Is it tolerance ? Idk man

 

[Cult315]

yup I think you’re right brother . N - iso is what I hear often lately , and just a touch of meth to get the juices flowing , and come back . Idk man I got wit it 3-4 years ago and fell in love!!! But like the last few months sheeeeshh am I even high ? Wtf man but it looks no different. The taste ? Idk I was a shooter until January this year my veins are gone . Never really smoked , now I do. Dos that play a part? It does since I never really knew the taste and stuff . It’s throwing me off . Is it tolerance ? Idk man

Tolerance and apparently cartel/mexican civil war(idk how credible that is) means not as much getting put out, and by my best guess means shit getting stepped on a lot as it isn’t as plentiful or sloppy cooks resulting in sub-par product. I’ve been smoking daily for about a year now and the stuff in the last few months definitely isn’t as good. I know tolerance is partly to blame, but not fully because every once in a while I’ll get a bag that keeps me up for 48 hours after just a few hits. I know instantly that the shit is good too cause I’m immediately driven to start cleaning or some shit, where as with this shitty stuff I just sit there smoking and smoking until it’s all gone.

Sometimes I question whether it’s even meth or some shitty RC going around, cause I swear the urge to re dose is more and it does practically nothing. But then every once in a while I get shit that actually gets the juices flowing, and if my tolerance is so high and the meth is so pure why is it I can smoke for days on end, eat, sleep and then a random bag has me grinding my teeth and cleaning the house until I fuck my girl all night, trashing the house in the process and repeat the cleaning process the next day with no sleep? And have the bag last 5x as long as the other shit? Definitely not the same stuff, and even if it is just weaker/stepped on heavily you’d think after smoking nearly a gram in a day it would do SOMETHING. But it doesn’t lol

 

[unodelacosa]

N - iso is what I hear often lately

N-Iso cut is a myth. Check it: https://erowid.org/columns/crew/2022/08/drugsdata-meth-and-the-n-iso-boogeyman/

I think the "cut" these days is mostly unresolved l-isomer meth. Makes the shards crumbly, tastes funky & causes tachycardia.

Sometimes I question whether it’s even meth or some shitty RC going around,

Yeah I've questioned that, too, or sometimes I suspect someone added some RC stimulant to a batch of otherwise normal meth, I guess to stretch it out, or maybe as a pharmacological "experiment", who knows? But if this is so, I would say there's only a minor percent of it in there, and I could be totally wrong, too.

 

[Cult315]

N-Iso cut is a myth. Check it: https://erowid.org/columns/crew/2022/08/drugsdata-meth-and-the-n-iso-boogeyman/

I think the "cut" these days is mostly unresolved l-isomer meth. Makes the shards crumbly, tastes funky & causes tachycardia.


Yeah I've questioned that, too, or sometimes I suspect someone added some RC stimulant to a batch of otherwise normal meth, I guess to stretch it out, or maybe as a pharmacological "experiment", who knows? But if this is so, I would say there's only a minor percent of it in there, and I could be totally wrong, too.

It just seems to strange to me, setting aside my knowledge of how tolerance works, that 90% of the stuff I’ve been getting seems to do absolutely nothing. I’d say I developed my tolerance pretty quick, but before the last 3-4 months the meth at least felt like I was on meth. My appetite was still suppressed to some degree, I could sleep but it took some work, me and my girl were still fucking every open opportunity we had and my house was still spotless. And if I did enough at once I would still feel at least a small rush and euphoria.

The stuff from the last few months lacks all of those characteristics and seems to be getting worse, like I’ve built a tolerance to something else entirely. I can smoke the fattest bowl mankind has ever seen and lay down and take a nap for 5 hours. I eat 2-3 full meals a day with snacks and sometimes other small meals in between and usually I’m still fuckin hungry lol. I have almost no ambition to do anything but sit there and do shit that’s completely unproductive(video games, typing shit on my phone, anything that doesn’t require me to move). Sex is still sex and is great, but it’s definitely not meth sex. Me and my girl still can’t keep our hands off each other cause that’s just how we are, but we’re not having daily hours long, earth shattering, the neighbors heard everything but who cares wild sex like we were. Pretty much everything that made up the meth high is gone, including the high itself and I don’t think it’s tolerance.

Every once and a while we’ll get a bag that as soon as I take the first hit I can tell that it’s not the shit stuff we’ve been getting, and I’m almost instantly high as fuck like I haven’t smoked in months. That’s the main, and pretty much sole reason I don’t believe that tolerance has any factor into my lack of high and that it’s a different substance entirely that we’ve been getting regularly. And when we do get real shit, I don’t have the constant urge to re dose because I’m so fucking high I’m paranoid I’ll die if I smoke again. With the other stuff I’ll sit there and smoke literally all day long despite trying to tell myself to chill out cause I’m just burning up the stash for no reason.

Like I said in my previous post, even if it was poor quality or cut all to hell, wouldn’t it eventually do something after doing it all day long, or doing enough at once? And even if it was just shitty meth, would my tolerance really be that low that 1-2 hits of quality shit would have me completely blown for 2 days?

I know it’s impossible to ID stuff online and there’s a lot of paranoia in the meth world, but I legitimately don’t think most of what I’ve been getting is meth at all because, well, it doesn’t do what meth does. If it was always exactly the same I might be able to boil it down to tolerance, but the fact that I still get stuff sometimes that has me climbing the walls and grinding my teeth for days on end from minimal use tells me that the shitty meth isn’t meth at all. Or it contains so little that there’s zero noticeable effect from it.

 

[unodelacosa]

It just seems to strange to me, setting aside my knowledge of how tolerance works, that 90% of the stuff I’ve been getting seems to do absolutely nothing. I’d say I developed my tolerance pretty quick, but before the last 3-4 months the meth at least felt like I was on meth. My appetite was still suppressed to some degree, I could sleep but it took some work, me and my girl were still fucking every open opportunity we had and my house was still spotless. And if I did enough at once I would still feel at least a small rush and euphoria.

The stuff from the last few months lacks all of those characteristics and seems to be getting worse, like I’ve built a tolerance to something else entirely. I can smoke the fattest bowl mankind has ever seen and lay down and take a nap for 5 hours. I eat 2-3 full meals a day with snacks and sometimes other small meals in between and usually I’m still fuckin hungry lol. I have almost no ambition to do anything but sit there and do shit that’s completely unproductive(video games, typing shit on my phone, anything that doesn’t require me to move). Sex is still sex and is great, but it’s definitely not meth sex. Me and my girl still can’t keep our hands off each other cause that’s just how we are, but we’re not having daily hours long, earth shattering, the neighbors heard everything but who cares wild sex like we were. Pretty much everything that made up the meth high is gone, including the high itself and I don’t think it’s tolerance.

Every once and a while we’ll get a bag that as soon as I take the first hit I can tell that it’s not the shit stuff we’ve been getting, and I’m almost instantly high as fuck like I haven’t smoked in months. That’s the main, and pretty much sole reason I don’t believe that tolerance has any factor into my lack of high and that it’s a different substance entirely that we’ve been getting regularly. And when we do get real shit, I don’t have the constant urge to re dose because I’m so fucking high I’m paranoid I’ll die if I smoke again. With the other stuff I’ll sit there and smoke literally all day long despite trying to tell myself to chill out cause I’m just burning up the stash for no reason.

Like I said in my previous post, even if it was poor quality or cut all to hell, wouldn’t it eventually do something after doing it all day long, or doing enough at once? And even if it was just shitty meth, would my tolerance really be that low that 1-2 hits of quality shit would have me completely blown for 2 days?

I know it’s impossible to ID stuff online and there’s a lot of paranoia in the meth world, but I legitimately don’t think most of what I’ve been getting is meth at all because, well, it doesn’t do what meth does. If it was always exactly the same I might be able to boil it down to tolerance, but the fact that I still get stuff sometimes that has me climbing the walls and grinding my teeth for days on end from minimal use tells me that the shitty meth isn’t meth at all. Or it contains so little that there’s zero noticeable effect from it.

Yeah I mean I read all of that the first time. Why don't you try getting a presumptive drug testing kit and test your gear? That would be at least a bit more of an objective reality check. Your subjective experience could simply be the result of dopamine downregulation. Try taking a nice long tolerance break. Also, don't buy gear that is of low-quality. When you find the good stuff, stock up on it. I mean, your experience sounds pretty par for the course. For example, when I'm tiredAF, it doesn't matter how much meth I attempt to do to force myself awake. I will fall asleep if I sit down and stay still regardless.

Why sometimes a particular batch gets you jacked up could be a couple of different reasons. One thought is that some of your dopamine downregulation wears off when you're using the less pure meth, but it's still mostly meth, I'll bet. Also, sometimes there are impurities present as reaction side products and they can have a sedative effect depending on the compound, paradoxically.

And it's not that I don't believe you. I do believe that you know what you're talking about, I just think it's easy to confuse impure reaction matrices with deliberately substituted stimulants, which I really don't think is the case. But like I said, get a test kit and test out the gear, see what it reports would be my unsolicited proverbial $0.02. Good luck!

 

[Cult315]

Honestly I have thought about it being due to purity/impurity, obviously I don’t test my shit so I don’t know which would be which lol, but in my own reasoning I always come down to effect vs. lack of. I’m not saying you’re wrong, as I probably am entirely and it is just meth(or mostly, anyway), it just doesn’t seem like it cause even the shittiest of batches at my highest tolerance a few months ago at the very least did something. Then again, tolerance does rise and I very well could just be used to using inferior product and whatever compounds associated with it.

I honestly should get test kits, because for a drug addict I am very picky about my shit and if given the chance I would stock up when I’m able to find stuff worth stocking. But moneys tight, especially now and it’s honestly been hard enough to even find anything for some reason. So no matter how it tested I’d likely still be smoking it(unless it popped for fent), and my girl honestly doesn’t give a shit regardless lol. Every time I bring up test kits she’s like why? You just gonna not do it if it doesn’t say it’s meth? And that’s good enough reasoning to me lol. I do have a urine test kicking around though, I’ve been meaning to find that and see if I pop for meth whenever I get a particularly shit batch, but they’ve all been particularly shit lately and I just haven’t looked for it.

A lot of the reasoning behind my lack of belief that it’s even the real thing is the trouble sourcing it lately as well. I used to be able to call up any number of people and have shit in minutes. Now it’s only a few people, and I know for a fact some of them get it from one main source and I know said source gets at least some of his shit from online vendors. He used to be my MDMA guy years ago, he’s one of my close friends brothers but my friend died and me and the brother had a falling out. The guys a piece of shit so I wouldn’t put it past him to pass off a different substance. Did it to his own brother. Who knows though, maybe my shits pure as can be and my tolerance is so high it’s untouchable and I’m just paranoid. Probably should find that piss test lol

 

[unodelacosa]

A lot of the reasoning behind my lack of belief that it’s even the real thing is the trouble sourcing it lately as well. I used to be able to call up any number of people and have shit in minutes. Now it’s only a few people, and I know for a fact some of them get it from one main source and I know said source gets at least some of his shit from online vendors. He used to be my MDMA guy years ago, he’s one of my close friends brothers but my friend died and me and the brother had a falling out. The guys a piece of shit so I wouldn’t put it past him to pass off a different substance. Did it to his own brother. Who knows though, maybe my shits pure as can be and my tolerance is so high it’s untouchable and I’m just paranoid. Probably should find that piss test lol

Sounds like the one guy, the brother of your departed friend? It sounds like that guy is just sourcing cheapAF Mexican meth from the darknet markets, on which it is abundant and easy to procure if you know what you're doing. That stuff often has a good deal of l-isomer meth in it, which has no effect on the CNS, but it does affect the peripheral nervous system. There are also some synthesis impurities present, I would wager. These things tend to alter the experience, sometimes giving it sedative-like quality if you already have a tolerance to meth especially. The source guy is not gonna find a cheaper drug, gram-for-gram, than this meth, so there's really no reason for him to substitute another stimulant here, especially since it's likely more expensive than cheap Mexican meth… That's just my best guess anyway. I could be wrong. Either way: it is what it is. It's nice to know what you're using though…

 

[TweakinTinkerarrrr]

The majority of the cuts will be gotten rid of with an evaporation method. People do this all the time. The cuts being soluble in the acetone will evaporate. Some people use paper towel to dry because that speeds things up a bit and helps filter.

I agree a coffee filter is probably better. Idk if running a lot of excess acetone is really the most economic way to go, but if it works it works. Id still be keeping the amount of excess very low in case of that possible bit of water being there to suck up my meth, but thats what your extraction method is there for.

Well below boiling point is the main thing Im pointing out for a heat evaporation. The low setting on an oven is 150 degrees farenheit. That is well below boiling.

Would you please explain to me where and how these “cuts” just evaporate into thin air…?
I’m to understand that these unwanted chemicals actually have a weight.. so mass.. and last I checked… acetone (anhydrous or not) doesn’t make anything just magically disappear.

Lemme explain to you what’s goin on in your little “baking pan soak tek” you described. If using true anhydrous acetone (the method described above with the oven dried epsom salts is garbage), what your doing is you are dissolving any unwanted chemicals on a metal baking sheet which is not smart.. things are likely to react with the low pH of the chems you’re working with. It would’ve been a smarter suggestion to use glass… if this was a viable method of separation.. but it’s not… it’s dumb… and a waste of time, money and chemicals.
Anyway, all you’re doing is dissolving any molecules that will dissolve in Acetone and if there’s any actual meth in the batch all those dissolved compounds are just stayin with the meth and if anything are just more evenly mixed than before you put a solvent in a dish, stirred and evaporated.
To really make anhydrous acetone you need to distill over a drying agent… but use a better one more suited for Acetone like Calcium Carbonate instead of Magnesium Sulfate. (DampRid instead of Epsom salts)
-OR-
Molecular Sieves.. it will get you a dryer solvent than the dumb dumb method described using MgSO4 but distillation is the best. It’s not hard nor expensive if you’re creative and make your own still.
After obtaining ACTUAL Anhydrous Acetone, you will want to get a sample ice cold but keep it in a SEALED AIR TIGHT container till ready to use. While chillin, take your sample of Meth and powder it up. If your cheap ass has to use coffee filters, do powder TOOOO FINE. Just keep in mind the finer the powder the more surface area to the solvent. The more surface area the less amount of clean solvent would theoretically be needed to pull the same or more amount of unwanted compounds out of the sample when filtering.
The best way to do this next step is to buy some lab filter paper.. the Quantitative kind (figure it out yourself if you wanna know why I use quantitative opposed to qualitative) and line a “Buchner funnel” or fold the paper disk according to standard lab procedures to flute it and stick in a regular clean funnel. Put your powder in and then slowly and evenly pour the REAL anhydrous acetone over the powder. **KEEP THE STUFF IN THE FILTER**
But it’s also advantageous to keep your filtrate collected as it will still contain a small percentage of the desired molecule that can be separated later.
The filter and powder in it should be dried to bone dry before use. Whats left might be better than what was started with.. but keep in mind this is only step one of a three solvents cleaning process if you REALLY want to get your shit clean. Like ICE clear, almost zero taste clean.
Lemme know if anyone wants to know the remainder of that process and I may write it up and post it for yall nerds (I mean that in the most respectful way possible.. shit you gotta be a nerd to be that into drugs)

“Learn how to learn, never stop reading and remember… no one started life a genius.. it took thought and effort for everyone”



~~The Chemist~~

“TC”

“Yes.. you CAN polish a turd… but no matter how much you try.. in the end It’ll always be just a shiny piece of shit”

 

[TweakinTinkerarrrr]

How is it that you don’t understand I have done plenty of searching and research into this subject beyond that one hour I specified even. Maybe an hour was fine for me based on an underlying knowledge. Maybe Im from a researchers background of some sort and I have good sources set up and an ability to find information lined up. Maybe I can speed read. For all you know, there’s a lot of information I’ve not been able to express properly yet due to this tone of inferiority I’m picking up about myself, an hours research for this attitude is a lot!

Try not self-aggrandizing and telling me I’m not searching, even by asking you for information. I’m not on “googlesearchLight” but I’ve already said more than once I AM researching and maybe even ALREADY have, You ARE speaking to me in a benign (like I am benign) way. I know what I meant to say. You don’t want to get by here with this conversation going any other way than Im not able to use simple search tools because I did t already know your specific knowledge set by looking up YouTube and probably Google.

If you’re more interested in me searching the information for you, so you don’t have to relaying any information. Then don’t. No matter what, you know you’re trying to ruffle my feathers. It’s working by the way. I really don’t appreciate a “lookitup dummy” attitude when I’m actually trying to create a good public resource by searching YOU out. This whole segment of the thread is bullshit now. Bluelight is a web forum and this is athread which is specifically on topic for this. For us, the POSTER to share information rather then this oneupmanship-= for a Googleplex only to search for. All the while also providing all the information asked for, as long as I look like a pissant for not already knowing whatever you think I’m missing! Could I possibly write a more convoluted I ALREADY KNOW MAN for you?

I tried to have a conversation. I’m done.

Haha holy shit dude.. do you want him to just mail you his brain so you can then have all the knowledge he had instead of actually working for it? You lazyass.. haha.. that’s the damn problem with every generation that’s followed… the more the previous generations worked to make things easier for the next the lazier those subsequent generations will become.
Ha.. one hour.. it’s clear you don’t know more than we assume by all the dumbass shit you’ve said. And I’m not one to be easy on others that don’t want to earn things they wanna have.. I will call you out when I see you. Don’t be lazy… if you don’t follow something said in a comment or procedure.. go fuckin look that shit up until you do… how the hell do you think the people that do get it got it..? We don’t all always get everything.. we all gotta of UTFSE sometimes. Quit tryin to make your others pander to your laziness… it’s a shitty habit for shitty people.

~~TC~~