Meth and heroin/IV-High exp, double relapse. Time to find the time to become clean ag

[dankhead88]

Recently it was my birthday(July 6th) and I work 9-6 Monday through Friday.

I haven't touched the stuff for a while and decided to see my old opiate dealer whom I used to buy OCs with.

Also a good friend(but a wreck, hope he gets better in the future), his roomate coincidentally sold methamphetamine.

I bought a gram and a half of both meth and heroin.

I'm usually good at chipping heroin IVs but the meth is something else. Combining them throughout the night in single shots, I found that the work week was near. I couldn't sleep until around 3AM on a Sunday I've IVed enough opiates to sleep.(I cannot get benzos anywhere)

I woke up feeling like shit, so I took some meth to help with the work, the bad thing is that the residual stimulation lingers for a long time, and heroin, being the only sedative at hand, is the only thing helping me sleep at nights. It's not even the heroin that I'm scared of but what the long duration of meth is making me become. I'm good at maintaining my dose of heroin but without benzos, this is the only option for me.

It is now the 30th of July, which I've had a shot of meth in the morning, (later on, a mix in midday to prevent opiate withdrawals in the form of a nasal spray I've made out of one of my old syringes.) and a shot of H at night to sleep. I've been at this combo maintenance since that day and been contiunously buying a gram of both to battle out the work week. I've put myself in a fine mess and hoping resting and sleeping it off on the weekends cold turkey while monday starting with a NSAID, loperamide, l-tyrosine, vitamin c, and caffeine combo to help with both the drugs rebound/withdrawal effects. It's not much for fighting withdrawals but I'm hoping it will help somewhat. I'm also hoping it hasn't been too long so the opiate withdrawals shouldn't be nearly as severe when I had a bad heroin addiction back in 2011.

Honestly, it's the lethargy from lack of meth and the restless legs that scare me the most.

Weekends are going to be rough, and I wish this experience on nobody, as maintaining being awake and being asleep on both of these drugs are going to be the end of me if I don't stop soon.

This is only written to show the dangers of poly drug use with addictive substances taken from myself and if anyone wants to dabble in one or both of these drugs to proceed with extreme caution.

Honestly, I was stupid to let the meth use get out of control. I suppose I deserve whatever withdrawal is bound to happen. Still have a bit of this stuff, but once it's the weekend, I'm steering away from meth and heroin. As long as I have the work day off I don't find
abstaining hard at all, it's the work days that fucks me up.
Stay safe Bluelighters and wish me luck.

 

[Xorkoth]

Good luck man. Your experience describes the pattern of drug use that leads back into active addiction quite accurately. I wish you the best in getting back off of them.

 

[dankhead88]

Thank you. It sucks, but already went through night 1 of cold sweats, craps and aches, tearing, fatigue, and restless legs, but a day gone is a day of becoming better. :D

 

[varimix]

You could always use some sort Opiate replacement withdrawal aid for 3-5 days while your Meth amp tank is filled back up to previous level. For me opiate replacement is Loperamide but just try not to get hooked on it.

 

[the_ketaman]

I don't suggest methadone full stop, Ive been on and off it for too long and I think doctors are too heavy handed with it. It pretty much ruined my life. Buprenorphine/suboxone can be very useful for rapid tapers but I don't agree with maintenance dosing unless its either sub or die like it was for me a few years ago. I got out of rehab coming off suboxone and Xanax and it took 6 weeks out of rehab for me to overdose on heroin. Id already formed a habit and shot 0.1g more than I normally would and OD'd very badly, im incredibly lucky im alive today because out of pure luck someone found me and I was revived. I was completely blue with no pulse so im sure I would have died, and that forced me to think very hard about my future and whether it was worth continuing the heroin and possibly dying or getting on a program. So I got on methadone but I hate M-done as well! Im 25, no sex drive, no job, no motivation and I have to travel into a clinic daily to get dosed. So now that I have a bit more self control im trying to slowly reduce off all opies.

Im reducing now and soon to switch over to suboxone then taper down to nothing, but I feel im past the point of being completely wreckless, ive wasted 7 years on this crap. So for me its time to get off it. But for you, you have a few options.

You could just deal with the WD's from both drugs at once which I can imagine will be incredibly difficult WD'ing from H which coming off meth. Id detox off the meth and stay clean for at least 2 weeks before you try detoxing from the heroin. If your like me you'll end up killing yourself or some stupid shit due to the combined depression of a meth comedown and opiate detox.
If you can get Bupe then 2-4mg for 1-3 days once your in full withdrawal(and I mean bad bad WD or you will soon know that WD'ing has n infinite amount of pain possible involved, it all depends on how you do it) r just the most unbearable period(though most junkies will convince themselves its all unbearable and get a Bupe habit which is stupid(I know plenty of ppl that shoot Bupe into their groin/neck/arm and get no high, just the needle fixation is satisfied). So you can rapid taper which is my suggestion.

You can just cop it on the chin and WD from the heroin with APAP & Deep Heat cream for pain(its like having a heat pack on your muscles) Ibuprofen(for aches and pains and is pretty effective), Magnesium(RLS, works!), multiple daily Epson Salt baths are a godsend for the RLS, Fish Oil/omega-3(helps with depression and mood stabilising), ive never used immodium but most people swear by it, pot is great if your a smoker, alcohol is not(the RLS is terrible when it begins wearing off) don't take Seroquel/anti-psychotics or anti-histamines to try and get sleep because you will just end up with RLS. Eat lots, drink lots of water. Spend all your time in a hot shower or bath if you have to, I find Epson salt baths are amazing. I was given Ponstan in detox for stomach cramps(its for period pain but works the same) and also Catapres for the possible increase in blood pressure but I think they gave me too much of that. Ive WD without anything but hot baths and pot and its hard but do-able. Benzos are priceless but if you cant get them I wont even elaborate.

This next one sounds a bit iffy but apart from it probably being a bit harder on your body, it usually works. For some strange reason, methamphetamine seems to eliminate opiate WD's in most people including myself. When I was first informed of this I couldn't think of anything worse, it sounded like torture and I thought it would just send me into a lot of psychological and physical pain and RLS to an unmanageable degree, but it actually works if you can maintain the meth. Once the opiates have been done with for 1-2 weeks then slowly lower your dose of meth then stop cold turkey. I would be using all of the same supplements and vitamins ive mentioned here no matter which was you do this. They all help.

 

[dankhead88]

Thanks for the advice. Honestly, I feel ashamed for saying this, but I've been going on and off of the shit. I honestly feel ashamed for relapsing, but fuck it. It's the predicament I've put myself through, and I have no one else to blame but myself. I've been clean for a week only to have my dude text me if I need ice and smack.

I'm going to this time delete my dealer's number. He's a friend but man, he's ruining his life and I refuse to end up like that. Call it arrogant, but I have to look out for myself, even if he can only pay his rent with with drug money and I favor his products. Even though the severity of the withdrawals left last week, I have a feeling that they're back. I do have all the supplements that you've mentioned. I don't have any bupe or benzos, but I think it would be best that I don't use those. That's my philosophy at least. Meth will only make me want to use heroin, because I love the combination of the two

I'm going to try to clean myself up one more time and hopefully I'll get my life back to normal. I'm glad things worked out for you though Ketaman.

I'm hoping this period of cold turkey will be easier since I was recently laid off. Perhaps this is a wakeup call of reality. I have nothing but love for all of you guys and gals, and wish me luck... Again.

 

[Solipsis]

Good luck
Stay strong and pull through! I imagine juggling these problems with a 9-5 job would be impossible for most people, it is hard enough as is..

For me it was never IV nor the absolute hardest of stims and opiates but I recently wd from opium which was nasty and used amph cause the PAWS is hard to bear.... Am still dabbling but less so, trying go gain enough energy to go out and do stuff, hikes and chores etc

But lets fight a good fight and recover our lives