Mescaline vs MDMA

[acim]

Hi guys! Sorry if this question seems a little easy to answer, I've searched everywhere but haven't found much good information. Anyway...

My boyfriend and I were thinking of taking a psychedelic together for a bonding experience and simply because we both want a psychedelic experience. He has done MDMA in the past and we were going to take MDMA, but seeing as good MDMA is hard to find these days, I was thinking of taking mescaline. I had heard low doses of mescaline are similar to MDMA, except much less intense, whereas higher doses are more psychedelic. San Pedro is easy to acquire and an extraction can be performed using items found in a grocery store, so I figured this would beat out trying to find good MDMA.

I just have a few questions that I would like your input on. To people who have experienced both, is mescaline similar to MDMA? Which do you prefer?

Also, does anybody know a good dose of mescaline to use? I had heard around 100mg, which seems to be a very light experience. Finally, is San Pedro (with all the other alkaloids remaining) more of an MDMA-like experience than pure mescaline?

Thanks for all the help! I figured this thread belonged more in the Psychedelic forum than the Ecstasy forum. Thanks again

 

[MrGrunge]

If you're trying to replace MDMA with mescaline, I wouldn't bother. Just try harder to find some Molly.

 

[TheAzo]

Mescaline is a psychedelic. MDMA is an empathogen. They are totally different types of drug - doesn't matter where you get the mescaline from, it's not much like MDMA.

Tripping with a significant other can be a bonding experience - but rarely on the level that MDMA would be. If either of you doesn't feel ready for or interested in a psychedelic experience, you should just wait to get some good molly.

100mg is too low for mescaline - it will produce only threshold effects at that dose. 200-300mg is more appropriate.

 

[atara]

The combination of mescaline and MDMA is known sometimes as love flipping.

Anywho, that's totally irrelevant. I recommend no such thing.

 

[✰hyperobjects✰]

Mescaline and MDMA are both phenethylamines, which gives them the very in-your-body/entactogenic feel. Aside from the "things are nice to touch" vibe I get with MDMA and Peyote, they're quite different. MDMA is an empathogen and Mescaline a entheogen/psychedelic. If you're looking for a psychedelic experience, opt for the mescaline. MDMA can be a unique and profound experience in it's own right, but if you're looking for visuals and creative insights, mescaline is the clear choice; whereas if you want indiscriminate bliss and communicative openness, opt for the molly. Rolling can be good stuff for pair bonding for you & yr lovah, but abstract mind-melding experiences can be too.

That being said, my experience with Peyote was somewhat disappointing --it reminded me of of weak 2c-E. Maybe it was because I did it out of context. Although it was neat, at one point in the trip I was looking at a black poster with white lettering and I could see the letters 3 dimensional and rotating and spinning around.

If you are working with cactus though, they often have additional psychoactive alkaloids which is what makes Peyote, San Pedro, et al cacti an experience that is distinct from pure mescaline. When people talk about how they were up for 3 days on peyote it's often because Peyote and the Trichocereus genus has additional sympathomimetic compounds that color and extend the mescaline experience, whereas if you look at PIKHAL, the duration for pure mescaline is only
10-12 hours.

Also, if you are extracting from San Pedro it usually is about 1 ft of cactus that constitutes a dose. So if you and your man, you'd likely need 2 feet.

 

[TheAzo]

P.S. where the hell do you live where mescaline is more common than MDMA?

OP is presumably planning to get it from cactus - which is readily available, if ridiculously expensive per dose.

 

[Kbonzai]

I have only tried synthetic mescaline but yes at lower doses it does have an MDMA esque feel to it, but just saying that is putting a shame towards the magical substance that is mescaline. Mescaline has a much deeper love, a love that ins't superficial but a love, at least for me, for the plight of the human race. There is a connection there with nature that I have never experienced before, I found myself weeping tears of joy at the end of the experience just from the feeling of having purged all the negative energy out of my body.

On a side note I tried MDAI on the tail of a mescaline trip and it was really pleasant, albeit mellow, as expected but very enjoyable and I was able to delve into deeper into the experience I had.

 

[huolesoh]

i dont know how to compare them; you'll just have to try them both !

 

[Solipsis]

I disagree with the first posts in this thread! I think they are both very emotionally opening! I took 330 mg of synthetic mescaline but I barfed 45 minutes into the trip which probably mattered. I never had many visuals but I completely broke down and felt like a newborn crying on the ground, then I relived a number of the most sensitive moments in my life and for example I felt guilty for not being a better brother even though I don't really have anything to feel guilty about. I just become so incredibly emotional! And it was more pure than most of the times with MDMA because it felt more natural and without a push.

Truth be told, I would go for mescaline every time given your question even though MDMA is more seducing because it feels so euphoric. Mescaline to me is valuable, invaluable, priceless... because it made me feel more natural or for a perfectly fitting term "native", than I have ever felt in my entire life. It was better even than mushrooms or acid. (I don't mean American native, I mean 'me' native).

Plus: you are looking for a psychedelic... mescaline is definitely psychedelic but with MDMA it is disputable. Mescaline feels empathogenic as well, felt more like that to me than I usually hear it described. I am positive it has more to offer, it just depends on dosage quite a bit.

Also worth noting: even though it might sound like I had a limited dose, because I had limited visuals... at some point I felt like I had to lie down on a 2-person bed and let myself go, then I felt like flashed through my entire body that made me go OBEE, and the flashed got more frequent and intense over time. Incredible!!!!!

 

[effingcustie]

I have only tried synthetic mescaline but yes at lower doses it does have an MDMA esque feel to it, but just saying that is putting a shame towards the magical substance that is mescaline. Mescaline has a much deeper love, a love that ins't superficial but a love, at least for me, for the plight of the human race. There is a connection there with nature that I have never experienced before, I found myself weeping tears of joy at the end of the experience just from the feeling of having purged all the negative energy out of my body.

well said.

 

[Aboy699]

Wow that's crazy you can get Mescaline easier than MDMA , lol. Guess things are a little different here on the east coast...
I took mescaline before and had 400 mgs of it. It definitely did feel alot like MDMA. I'd say if you were looking for a psychedelic experience, go with mescaline. MDMA isn't even technically considered a psych ( I don't think)?

 

[Ismene]

Mescaline is very like MDMA, only a lot better experience - much longer lasting, nice bodyhigh and a very gently psychedelic. Even at high doses it's very comfortable.

The only problem is taking it in the form of cactus snot - it's tremendously difficult to drink cactus sludge without retching and vomiting and that usually limits the dose. It can also cause terrible nausea. If you do an acid/base extraction there's no nausea and it's a much more enjoyable experience.

 

[QuasiModo]

The closest I have experienced is 2c-b but god damn now I feel obligated to find myself in possession of some cacti alkaloids. Mescaline sounds absolutely beautiful! Also I disagree that psychedelic experiences must be visionary to be worthwhile, the headspace is much more important to me than any other factor and Mescaline's just sounds heavenly. The headspace on MDMA was never very interesting to me.. Having taken LSD, Psilocybin and 2c-b with my partner I can say that we probably enjoy LSD the most together, simply for the dis inhibition and the hilarity that can ensue when two lovers are frying together. Hearing her confess her love for me on LSD is probably amongst the heaviest and most beautiful utterances I will ever hear.

+1 for Mescaline just because I think it would be infinitely more interesting than MDMA.. Now some MDA might be a different story

 

[Aboy699]

Mescaline is very like MDMA, only a lot better experience - much longer lasting, nice bodyhigh and a very gently psychedelic. Even at high doses it's very comfortable.

The only problem is taking it in the form of cactus snot - it's tremendously difficult to drink cactus sludge without retching and vomiting and that usually limits the dose. It can also cause terrible nausea. If you do an acid/base extraction there's no nausea and it's a much more enjoyable experience.

When I took Mescaline, it came in capsule form. I thought I was ripped off at first but it definitely had an effect.

 

[Oats]

The closest I have experienced is 2c-b but god damn now I feel obligated to find myself in possession of some cacti alkaloids. Mescaline sounds absolutely beautiful! Also I disagree that psychedelic experiences must be visionary to be worthwhile, the headspace is much more important to me than any other factor and Mescaline's just sounds heavenly. The headspace on MDMA was never very interesting to me.. Having taken LSD, Psilocybin and 2c-b with my partner I can say that we probably enjoy LSD the most together, simply for the dis inhibition and the hilarity that can ensue when two lovers are frying together. Hearing her confess her love for me on LSD is probably amongst the heaviest and most beautiful utterances I will ever hear.

+1 for Mescaline just because I think it would be infinitely more interesting than MDMA.. Now some MDA might be a different story

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