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Mescaline - The Beginner Psych?

^Yes I was going to point out that everything should remain even in extracted mescaline. You would need to find out the solublities of the other alkaloids to remove them. That's why I said you do recieve the full experience without the disgusting parts. I have to agree though that mescaline beats mushrooms. The beauty mescaline creates is nearly unrivaled and the trip is very unique. I haven't tried 4-aco-dmt yet though which I feel may sway my opinion slightly and cause my rankings to shift slightly.
 
Mescaline is is the perfect drug....Its non addictive. You dont see people running around trying to get their next fix of mescaline all desperate like....unless they are OCD. It doesnt give you a hangover...just a beautiful afterglow. Its relatively non toxic unless you start adding MAOIs....

There is a non-toxic extraction method that preserves all of the alkaloids more or less.


I am ok with just using it in the traditional way with the native American church. I use freshly watered cacti and it doesnt taste nasty at all. I also think the gains in alkaloid are exaggerated as most of the gains is just the result of less volume (broken record here). Being able to eat it is worth it. You loose more by drying into powder than you gain by drying before harvesting and making it taste nasty.
 
I love mescaline, it's a great drug. It's really gentle and fun too, so I think it's one of the best psychedelics for a beginner to start with. It's also one of the best psychedelics in general in my opinion.
 
I always go for the full alkaloid experience too, it just feels more "right". the d limonene tek is great and the one your talking about. I think even with MAOI's its relatively safe, pretty sure there were tribes in Peru that added it to Ayahuasca but I can't remember where I saw that so make of it what you will, its certainly not something I would suggest doing.

I think the only thing I really like about mushrooms over mescaline is that for me, the nausea gets pretty hardcore with mescaline, even when using an extract. I never puke, but often spend a solid 3 hours on the couch groaning about. As a side note, I found meclizine to help tremendously with the nausea without changing the trip.

Freshly watered cacti? do you mean you just chow down on the cactus itself? you are a far braver soul than I, I tried a bite once just for shits and giggles and man the bitterness was intense
 
I never get nausea from mescaline. Eat a light breakfast of fruits and drink a lot of water, then drink some ginger tea before ingesting. I always feel great...
 
mr.mackey said:
I always go for the full alkaloid experience too, it just feels more "right". the d limonene tek is great and the one your talking about. I think even with MAOI's its relatively safe, pretty sure there were tribes in Peru that added it to Ayahuasca but I can't remember where I saw that so make of it what you will, its certainly not something I would suggest doing.

I think the only thing I really like about mushrooms over mescaline is that for me, the nausea gets pretty hardcore with mescaline, even when using an extract. I never puke, but often spend a solid 3 hours on the couch groaning about. As a side note, I found meclizine to help tremendously with the nausea without changing the trip.

Freshly watered cacti? do you mean you just chow down on the cactus itself? you are a far braver soul than I, I tried a bite once just for shits and giggles and man the bitterness was intense
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Yep. That is exactly the one I am talking about. I dont know why anyone would use toxic solvents knowing this extremely simple method exists. Is there some kind of novelty in giving people poison? Whats wrong with these people?



If you dont starve your cacti for water, some strains of cacti are actually yummy...Like I would eat them if I was hungry even if they were not medicine. Pedros can actually taste good.....But everyone is drying them out making them taste like shit because they believe it will make them stronger....but how do we know its really making them stronger and not just stronger by weight?




As for MAOIs.....Syrian Rue is the economical option, but it will make the nausea worse and maybe even cause stomach pain....I think Caapi vine is the higher class experience. Way better.
 
Help?!?! said:
^To each their own. For me mescaline has a 75% chance to cause nausea. If it isn't extracted or is iso extracted its 100%. Usually though its just either an annoyance for a short time or I puke once or twice and its gone.
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for me its 100 percent, but ive always just drank the tea. i have a weak stomach though so that is probably part of it.

mescaline is a beautiful chemical and would be great for a first trip.
 
if you core the cactus theres way less sickness. As far as a begginer psych maybe in the sense that it wont put your mind in a blender but will give you insanse visuals.
 
I enjoy eating the core. I hear there are some toxins in there and not much mescaline, but I get a nice stimulant rush from it.
 
^interesting

the other alkaloids in san pedro alone provide a considerably more noticeable 'speedier' effect than purified mescaline itself. only the green flesh has ever been used.
 
Food safe and safe aren't the same thing. D-lim is caustic and highly flammable. The concentrations at which it is used in food are orders of magnitude less. MEK comes from fruit too. Even coca-cola concentrate will burn you, and that's not just food-safe but actual food. Plus, limonene is fucking expensive and you have to distill it or keep buying it.
 
Caustic? is that from an MSDS sheet? I was looking at one and couldnt find anything there about it being caustic. In any case, its a hell of a lot safer than Xylene or the like. I have found you can reuse it alot without distilling it, without any noticeable decrease in yield. there should be nearly zero d-limonene in the final product anyway
 
are we allowed to talk about where to get stuff for the tek??
I dont want to order stuff online and im not sure where to get the hydrated lime, ive seen it in construction stores for concrete or something but i havent checked to see if its the right kind yet.
 
ech0s85 said:
are we allowed to talk about where to get stuff for the tek??
I dont want to order stuff online and im not sure where to get the hydrated lime, ive seen it in construction stores for concrete or something but i havent checked to see if its the right kind yet.
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Dude it's literally at Wal-Mart. It's by the gardening section and it's called Pickling Lime. You can get it anywhere in the country.
 
I have been using Limolene for a non-toxic cleaning agent since WAY before I heard anything about it being used in chemistry. Its hardly suspicious. Just add some to water with some tea tree oil and you have an excellent all around cleaner for your counter tops. Thats what I use it for.

These days I only do mescaline within the Native American Church. I am not sure if my native blood is pure enough for the feds/state, but I was initiated into the native American church and have been very open about my religious practices. I think its shameful that some people are told they cannot practice their religion just because their ancestry is 1 generation past the cut-off....seems like racist discrimination. I would make a huge stink about this.
 
I wish I could join up with the NAC...but I think I am way too white. I know that they are supposedly open to whoever wants to but I think they might be suspicious or at least wary of some 19 year old white kid who wants to join their ceremonies, with good reason, because I am sure there are plenty of white 19 year old dudes who think to themselves "lol crazy man, its like totally legal peyote, lets trip some balls!!!"....just my little rant.
 
They are not that judgmental. Most of the people there were white. In fact, I probably had more native blood than the people who initiated me. I dont think you would have much trouble.

You could also try the Peyote Way Church. Check out their charter and see which one agrees with you more.

I think you can still get in trouble if you are not native enough, depending on which state you are in, but the feds dont seem to make harassing legitimate religious ceremonies a high priority.
 
caroline55 said:
Just had a quick check on Erowid and it goes like this
Shrooms total duration 4 - 7 hrs
Peyote total duration 5 - 8 hrs
LSD total duration 6 - 11hrs
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The peak from 300mg Mescaline HCl lasts 6 hours for me. Overall, with come-up, peak, and come-down, it's a 12 hour ride.

Duration increases with dosage. 980mg Mescaline HCl lasted a solid 16 hours. 600mg mescaline with 400mg harmaline (potentially dangerous, 12+ hour rollercoaster peak) lasted 24 hours before I felt a decline.
 
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