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Ethnobotanicals [Mescaline Subthread] Species of Cacti & Cultivation

"It cound also be the dryed mucus from the cactus, after all what happens when you wipe you nose on your sleave and leave it there for some time? Little crystals."
I know, it seems very unlikely, but there's virtually none on the dried san pedro chips...btw they were dried in a food dehydrator...
 
I get the crystals all the time on San Pedro, but I use a fan on high in the dark and air dry it really fast. I let the whole cactus sit in a dark chest for a month after the cut drys over so as not to mold it.. If it incresses the potency or not, I had no idea but it seems like a good way to go about it if your willing to wait.
 
mescaline cactus

so i want to have a good first mescaline trip. which cactus do you guys reccommend:

Trichocereus terscheckii, bridgesii, pachanoi or peruvianus?

also should I get these online or at a cactus store ?
thanks in advance.
 
Pachanoi is pretty good, but generally Peruvian Torch is stronger. The mescaline content in pachanoi can very, from barely any mescaline, to 10x the strength of peyote.
 
^^ Lol.... wow just a little bit of deja vu there.... saw your avatar and assumed initially it was a post of mine, which I had no recollection of making! 8)

Just to avoid any confusion.... wanna change ur avatar bro?
 
The mescaline content in pachanoi can very, from barely any mescaline, to 10x the strength of peyote.

The mescaline content in Pachanoi can vary from about nothing to about 2% by weight dry, with about a 0.5% being typical. The mescaline content of Peyote can vary from about 1% to about 6% by weight dry. With those numbers, there is no Pachanoi 10x stronger than any Peyote.
 
gloggawogga, what bout the san Pedro, is that a good one or no, my friend had it before, but i never asked out the trip was i herd it tasted so bad like motor oil (thats what he said, must be refering to the smell of motor oil).
 
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San pedro is Panachoi. As said above, the potency can vary from about nothing to about 2% mescaline by weight when dried. It does taste like motor oil, or worse. The thing is you gotta find known good strains of cacti, so the potency will be decent, otherwise there's always the chance you could drink alot of motor oil and get a dud.
 
Torch boy!

I've recently tried using alkaloid extract from Peruvian torch (T. peruvianus), and found it much better than from San Pedro (T. Pachanoi). I think that the alkaloid extract from san pedro may contain several inactive alkaloids as 400mg of total alkaloid extract from san pedro equated with about 300mg of total alkaloid extract from peruvian torch (I actually had 400mg of peruvian torch extract and found it noticably stronger than the 400mg of san pedro extract)

If you're going to drink boild up cactus, the closest approximation to the taste and texture for me is that it's like drinking horribly bitter wallpaper paste (possibly the hardest thing to ingest I've ever come across!)
 
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Hmm...I heard it said somewhere that PT gives you more of a purer mescaline experience, i.e with less other phenethylamines and less quinolines in the cacti. But then again I don't believe everything I hear.
 
Other bits

I think that san pedro contains significant amounts of the biosynthetic precursors of mescaline, the main culprits being tyramine and N.N-dimethyltyramine (hordenine I think is it's other name).

gloggawogga:
Rather than quinolines, did it mean isoquinolines, as with quinolines, there are 3 carbon atoms separating the nitogen from the aromatic ring (it's actually also attached to the benzene ring, but a two carbon chain wouldn't easily give a quinoline, but an isoquinoline)
 
what color should the tea be from a known fairly potent 12 inch section of san pedro.? If 36 onces of water is slowly boiled down to 14 ounces. Maybe 1 hour on medium-low with small bubbles. Is this right? how hot can the water get before the alkaloids break down?
 
If you are gonna do this you might seriously want to think about investing in a food dehydrator, and a bunch of gelcaps. This way also, I dont even bother removing the skin, just the spines. Also some dramamine wouldn't hurt either.
 
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It should be green with gold flakes once you simmer it down to 1oz or 2oz per dose. You can simmer (not boil) it down significantly further and it will be much easier to take it in one or two shot glasses rather than trying to drink a glass of the stuff.

It tastes so bad you want to get it down to a volume you can take all at once. Because if you can't there's a good chance you won't want to finish your dose ;)

So yeah, thick green. If its just very light green you can simmer it more. The gold flakes floating around in there are the good stuff :)
 
fastandbulbous:

Do you notice any difference in the San Pedro vs. Peruvian Torch trip besides potency? I suspect the differences would be subtle, but I would really like to know, having only worked with San Pedro in the past.

BTW, I've never been let down with around 16" of San Pedro. It seems relatively consistent in potency in my experience.
 
Mescaline Cacti

Ive been thinking of cultivating some cacti, but i dont know which one to get. I can get the following seeds:

Lophophora williamsii
Lophophora diffusa
Trichocereus pachanoi
Trichocereus peruvianus

Which would be better to grow? Is there a big difference on mescaline concentration or difficulty to grow between them? Any extra comments would also be appreciated.

thanks in advance
 
Re: Mescaline Cacti

mopeloss said:
Ive been thinking of cultivating some cacti, but i dont know which one to get. I can get the following seeds:

Lophophora williamsii
Lophophora diffusa
Trichocereus pachanoi
Trichocereus peruvianus

Which would be better to grow? Is there a big difference on mescaline concentration or difficulty to grow between them? Any extra comments would also be appreciated.

thanks in advance

You want Trichocereus Pachanoi or just ask for San Pedro.

And there is no way to tell how much mescaline is in each different cacti---scientist havn't figured out how to measure such a request. And that's straight off of erowid.org which is one of if not the best drug fact filled site ever made.

They say growing it in intense heat or directly under shade might help with concentrations of mescaline but how much is still unknown.

I hope you're willing to wait a very long time for your cacti to get to a cultivating size because it can take months and months if not years.
 
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