Mescaline similar to MDMA?

[peacebone]

To preface- I'm experienced with both of these drugs. However, my friends and I were talking the other day, and all came to the conclusion that Mescaline is the most similar psychedelic to MDMA. I looked at the chemical structures this afternoon and discovered that they were very similar- or at least, much moreso than LSD/MDMA.

On Mescaline, I always have "good vibes" and often have much more speedy effects than other psychedelics, such as lots of energy, euphoria, and jaw clenching. I suppose since they are both phenethylamines and can produce visuals, Mescaline might be more similar to MDA than MDMA, but either way, I feel like these chemicals relate to one another.

Has anyone else experienced this? Opinions?

 

[effingcustie]

Yeah you can definitely feel the similarity. I actually get jaw clenches with mescaline which is kind of strange since it rarely happens for me with mdma

 

[bluedolphin]

Mescaline can feel very euphoric with a glowing energy-flowing body buzz. So perhaps a low dose of mescaline could resemble a much healthier version of MDMA... but once you take mescaline into psychedelic doses it really blows MDMA out of the water.

It's hard to stack up against the cactus plant-teacher.

 

[peacebone]

good point, I should have clarified that I was talking about doses of maybe 100-350 mg of HCL... while I've still experienced a continuous flow of "good vibes" and some euphoria with higher doses, the headspace gets much different

 

[mindsurfer]

I don't think that mescaline is anything like MDMA.. Mind you, I've only had cactus juice, not synthetic mescaline.

 

[Roger&Me]

If mescaline is as deep as an ocean; MDMA is as deep as a thimble. They are both PEAs, and you can tell by their similarity in body buzz, but I really think the comparison ends there. Love me some mescaline! :D

 

[jozza]

I don't think that mescaline is anything like MDMA.. Mind you, I've only had cactus juice, not synthetic mescaline.

Yeah, are people talking about the synthetic stuff or juice/extract? I read in an old mesc thread that the only mescaline you're likely to encounter is extracted in some way or another, as it's difficult to synth.

I haven't tried psychedelics but have always thought mescaline would be a good starting point, from the descriptions here. Oh and it was a mescaline trip that put Shulgin on his amazing career path

I'm considering acquiring some San Pedro's online soon and giving mescaline a shot

 

[Ismene]

I always thought mescaline was similar to MDMA. Nice bodyhigh and affinity for music.

 

[Xorkoth]

There are some surface similarities, I would say, but overall mescaline is a much different chemical than MDMA.

 

[5meohd]

I would strongly disagree about them not being VERY similar... infact I would go as far as saying that the MDMA experience is a direct extract of certain qualities of a mescaline expereince....


I have had this epiphany several times though... like maybe all psychedelic expereinces are just certain "extracts" or "aspects" of death/oneness/birth and each chemical is just producing a certain part of that one whole experience/infinity......

like maybe if you were to take a dose of every psychedelic chemical known.. you would probably die.. therefore making my hypothesis correct

 

[SwiftFox]

lol... to comment above!
I would have to say that there is nothing like mdma.
Each psychedelic is unique in its own fashion.

 

[thoughtsUnThought]

nothing like mdma....?!

correctly put, there's nothing like mescaline.

 

[peacebone]

I have had this epiphany several times though... like maybe all psychedelic expereinces are just certain "extracts" or "aspects" of death/oneness/birth and each chemical is just producing a certain part of that one whole experience/infinity......

I've wondered this myself before, I feel like many overlap slightly- as if human consciousness/infinity/being was a sphere stretching away from a central point, and certain things, drugs being one of them, may show you glimpses outward. Um, that's probably a thought for another thread, but my kudos to your commentary.

 

[fastandbulbous]

They have a few things in common, but I wouldn't go as far as to say 'similar'. There is an intermediate 'stepping stone' on the specturm of activity in MMDA and knowing that is the reason I hesitate to define them as similar

 

[Indifference]

Chemically, of course, they're incredibly similar. Both belong to the phenethylamines (well, sort of), and IIRR, both work with the magic 4-position.

I wouldn't go as far as drawing any similarity between the two in terms of effects myself. MDMA really isn't, in my eyes, and many peoples eyes, a psychedellic. I think this could be because it's a substance that is frequently used and abused, and as such the psychedellic glow is lost.

Going out every weekend and taking substantial amounts of MDMA wouldn't seem like a strange thing to do 10 weeks in a row. Mescaline just crosses that boundary though, and sits down nicely next to mushrooms in my eyes.

 

[Groovstarr]

Mescaline acts more like LSD with metallic visuals and insights but it's when you venture outside, that you realise you have all the confidence that comes with phenylalanines.

I also think it allows you a strong connection to mother earth and brings ones intuition out.

I love it and would do it more often if it wasn't disgusting to eat cacti !

 

[egore]

They are similar in the fact that both produce a sense of child like wonder, but with mescaline, its not "forced" like it is with mdma

 

[-neptune-]

For me, Mescaline seemed more like a weak 2c-E than MDMA. I wasn't impressed. Mind you I've only eaten mescaline once in the form of ground up peyote buttons.

 

[Percussion_is_Free]

To me, MDMA seems more like low dose mushrooms than anything else. The body high from MDMA, to me, is soft and cool--which is kinda like mushrooms. The body high from mescaline is more like acid--stimulated and crampy, and alternately delicious or irksome depending on the state of your nervous system.

As far as mental effects go, MDMA is in a class of its own--to me its a tragic, sad, braindead, overly dramatic feeling, but very peaceful. Mescaline has a much more spiritual vibe, a feeling of heightened perception and insight. Can't really compare the mescaline head to anything either.

The only similarity I can see is that both have the potential to make the body feel utterly delightful.

 

[Percussion_is_Free]

For me, Mescaline seemed more like a weak 2c-E than MDMA. I wasn't impressed. Mind you I've only eaten mescaline once in the form of ground up peyote buttons.

Don't write off a drug until you get a proper dose--mescaline has a spiritual depth to it that's unique among all the entheogens, and that spiritual mind and the stunning opened eyed visuals meld together beautifully (unlike some synthetic phens I've tried, where the visuals march by completely unrelated to what I'm experiencing mentally/emotionally). I recommend giving it another go if you have the opportunity.