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Phenethylamines Mescaline first time

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I picked up some mescaline, one gram of the sulfate molecule, and I plan on trying it in a couple of days for the first time. I'm hoping to use it to connect more with the sensations in my body for processing trauma.

Any recommendations for starting dose? And if I don't feel anything, how long should I wait before taking more? Is it better to take a standard dose all at once or start lower and then add more if I'm not feeling any effects?
 
400mg of the sulphate salt should be a good introduction. Splitting it into 3 doses of C130mg and taking them 15-20 minutes apart should help mitigate the nausea without weakening the trip.

Mescaline doesn't create much initial tolerance so redosing is possible but it takes so long to kick in (several hours before you're peaking) and is such a long trip to begin with that it's not really practical especially for your first time. I'd just ride it out and if you feel it wasn't a strong enough trip you'll have 600mg left over to try another day.
 
Awesome, thanks for the advice. Do you think the step wise (3x130) dosing is necessary with the sulfate molecule for the prevention of nausea? I thought that would only be a problem if I were to drink that raw green cactus cocktail.
 
Oh no, I definitely recommend splitting the dosage up over time. Mescaline is just a nauseating chemical (at the very least for the first couple of hours.) That has nothing to do with how nasty cactus goo is. Honestly, foul taste or not, quite a lot of people find it easier to keep cactus tea down. Pure mescaline unbuffered and undiluted can just bounce right back out. Dividing the dose can help.

I will use crystallized ginger and lemon essential oil to manage the nausea, as well as stillness and mindfulness of my breath. Some people take ondansetron.

And yeah, oral dosage titration isn't really a great option unless you're willing to sign up for an extremely long experience. Just remember to be patient. Mescaline often takes two hours to start for me, and it's a steady, gradual climb from there. Once I'm up, it's a stable space for a loooooong time.
 
^What he said

A lot of people find cactus and extracts more nauseating than synthetic mescaline because of the physical plant matter and additional alkaloids present in the cactus, but mescaline itself is a 5ht3a agonist so nausea is always going to be a factor. As pfafffed says ginger can help as a preventative as does cannabis if you partake.

Edit: misspelled name
 
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Ooooh, interested in this

Am apparently going to be gifted some pure mesacaline hcl in a couple of weeks. Always wanted to try but never have - am very experienced with psychedelics though

My friend is recommending somewhere around a 500-600mg dose for my first time (they usually have 750mg)

I'm historically not keen on staggered dosing for psyches though, so my feeling is to take all at once
 
I'm historically not keen on staggered dosing for psyches though, so my feeling is to take all at once
With almost any other psychedelic it would reduce the intensity of the trip and just be a waste of product, but the come up is so slow on mescaline and the tolerance takes so long to set in (if it even does set in) that I don't believe staggering the dose like this has any noticeable effect on the length of the come up or the quality of the trip.

500mg might be a smidge high for a first trip, but if youre experienced with psychedelics as i infer you are should be manageable, and mescaline is never sinister even if you do take too much, it'll just put you on your arse a bit. I took 600mg of HCl my first time and was very heavily intoxicated but had a wonderful time. Since then I've taken it I think 5 times between 400-750mg and mixed it with acid twice.

Mescaline and LSD together is fucking magic.

Enjoy!
 
With almost any other psychedelic it would reduce the intensity of the trip and just be a waste of product, but the come up is so slow on mescaline and the tolerance takes so long to set in (if it even does set in) that I don't believe staggering the dose like this has any noticeable effect on the length of the come up or the quality of the trip.

500mg might be a smidge high for a first trip, but if youre experienced with psychedelics as i infer you are should be manageable, and mescaline is never sinister even if you do take too much, it'll just put you on your arse a bit. I took 600mg of HCl my first time and was very heavily intoxicated but had a wonderful time. Since then I've taken it I think 5 times between 400-750mg and mixed it with acid twice.

Mescaline and LSD together is fucking magic.

Enjoy!
Yeah, this is what I want to hear!

I'm experienced with high dosing and love that headspace, very skilled with set and seting - I'll definitely be going for somewhere twixt 500-600mg reckon.

Anyone fancy venturing any kinda comparison between, say, 200ug lsd, 4-5g liberty caps, and 500mg mescaline?

What do people think are the notable differences between mescaline and lsd and/or psilocybin?
 
Oh no, I definitely recommend splitting the dosage up over time. Mescaline is just a nauseating chemical (at the very least for the first couple of hours.) That has nothing to do with how nasty cactus goo is. Honestly, foul taste or not, quite a lot of people find it easier to keep cactus tea down. Pure mescaline unbuffered and undiluted can just bounce right back out. Dividing the dose can help.

I will use crystallized ginger and lemon essential oil to manage the nausea, as well as stillness and mindfulness of my breath. Some people take ondansetron.

And yeah, oral dosage titration isn't really a great option unless you're willing to sign up for an extremely long experience. Just remember to be patient. Mescaline often takes two hours to start for me, and it's a steady, gradual climb from there. Once I'm up, it's a stable space for a loooooong time.

So true… Pure mescaline makes me much more nauseous than tea form.

Recently acquired synthetic mescaline in a gelatin base, a 330mg dose is contained in 4.5g. I couldn’t figure out why they didn’t just sell as pure but I think I see why now, no nausea.

-GC
 
450mg or even 500 is a good dose, but not overwhelming.

Personally I don't get any nausea from synthetic mescaline. Cacti on the other hand I usually puke. Drinking the tea slower does seem to help, but eventually I'm tripping and all senses go into overdrive

I also wouldn't stagger the dose because the trip is so long already, but that's just me.
 
And yeah, oral dosage titration isn't really a great option unless you're willing to sign up for an extremely long experience.
By oral dose titration, are you referring to taking some, waiting an hour, and then potentially taking more if I'm not feeling the effects - is that what you're saying should be avoided with this molecule?
 
I would recommend 250 mg as a first-time dose. For most people this will be a fairly light experience, but I think light mescaline experiences have much to offer. I am also cautious because no one knows if they will be hypersensitive until they've tried something for the first time. For someone hypersensitive, 250 mg is likely to remain controllable. Experienced trippers in supportive environments may opt to start with 325-350 mg. I think 400 mg is pushing it, even though most people will be ok with it. Remember, this is just for first times.

I also recommend spreading out the dose, but I think 20-30 minutes is probably plenty of time. Much longer than this, and it will probably effect the trip quality (making it more blunted in my experience) in addition to needing a bit higher dose. These days, I like to sip on my psychedelics over a 15-30 minute period (depending on dose/substance) and follow each sip with a gulp of pure water. If one cannot stand the taste, then taking the mescaline in two swigs 20 minutes apart is a good way to go. I found that if I waited more than 20 minutes, the effects from the first swig were already starting, making it harder to get the second swig down.

I don't recommend trying to redose beyond the initial 20-30 minutes. If the trip is too weak, it is almost always better (both qualitatively and from a material use standpoint) to wait until one is fresh and take more. For a first time with mescaline, it's helpful to have options for different activities depending on how one is feeling. If the trip is very strong, one might prefer to be lying down, but more typical mescaline trips are on the energetic side, particularly after the first 4 hours or so. I like to have things to do that are active like walking, hiking, or dancing. I also like to have interesting things to look and/or interact with. Being in nature is usually best. I've also taken lower doses to museums.

Don't expect the kind of "blasting out of your mind" experience one gets from (5-Meo-)DMT or even mushrooms and LSD. Mescaline does not tend to be forceful like that, but it can still be very profound it you surrender to it. It is probably my personal favorite psychedelic and the one I regard to be most healing in a general sense. Even after it wears off, it somehow keeps working for days and even weeks. Good luck with your first trial!
 
Ooooh, interested in this

Am apparently going to be gifted some pure mesacaline hcl in a couple of weeks. Always wanted to try but never have - am very experienced with psychedelics though

My friend is recommending somewhere around a 500-600mg dose for my first time (they usually have 750mg)

I'm historically not keen on staggered dosing for psyches though, so my feeling is to take all at once

I keep buying "pure mescaline" from vendors but its always bunk - I think it might be mescyllamine or something - definately not mescaline
 
Well, I opted for 300mg in one shot. It was a good experience overall. Unfortunately some of my depressive symptoms happened to be present in a more prominent way when I woke up yesterday but nevertheless I did seem to feel an underlying balance from the medicine. It was certainly nothing like LSD or psilocybin, it was much clearer and more sensory oriented. Of course on other psychedelics, all sensations are amplified, but this seemed to make me more aware of them without distortion. I was able to experience them more directly and have more of my attention focused on them.

I also tried a few small (1mg) doses of 5MeO-DMT on the mescaline about 4 hours into the experience, and the mescaline seemed to provide a good baseline support for having a more balanced and clean 5MeO-DMT experience.

One funny thing that happened was when I went for a bike ride, after coming up a big hill I found myself saying in my head, "I have to get to a tree NOW!". I found a grassy spot to lie down in the shade under a nice tree and it was pleasant.

I definitely think it was a worthwhile experience, and I will certainly partake again in the future. Not sure if I'd do a higher or lower dose.

Also, is there any period of time that one must wait before trying it a second time? With something like MDMA I know it's not recommended to do it too many times in close succession, for concern over depleting neurotransmitter reserves, unlike something like LSD or psilocybin that could be theoretically taken every day. And is there typically a hangover the next day like MDMA, or not? Someone mentioned that to me but I wasn't sure if that was indeed the case, and I did feel a bit groggy for the first part of today but that seemed to dissipate in the afternoon; I wasn't sure if that was from the medicine or if it was unrelated.

Thanks for all the good recommendations.
 
And is there typically a hangover the next day like MDMA, or not? Someone mentioned that to me but I wasn't sure if that was indeed the case, and I did feel a bit groggy for the first part of today but that seemed to dissipate in the afternoon;
I've never had a mescaline hangover, but once I ate a shit ton of San Pedro and was tripping or at least unable to sleep for 24 hrs. Def felt off the next day but more likely due to very little sleep.

Most mesc trips I have an afterglow that lasts for a full day after the experience.
 
I definitely think it was a worthwhile experience, and I will certainly partake again in the future. Not sure if I'd do a higher or lower dose.

This is good to hear! It seems you had a fairly typical response and no side-effects worth complaining about. I don't know what dose will be best for you for therapeutic purposes, but from the standpoint of exploration, I definitely think it's worth trying a higher dose. I would suggest something in the range of 400-450 mg depending on how confident you are. At 450 mg, it will probably be quite a bit more intense but not especially heavy. I think 400 mg is a kind of "upper middle" sweet spot for a lot of people. Once you go above 500 mg, the trips start to last longer. I once took probably around 600 mg and it lasted for over 16 hours. The OEV experience was incredible, and the body energies were so powerful that it was difficult to stand up.

If you want to go lower, then below 200 mg or so the psychedelic aspect diminishes and it becomes of a kind of stimulant/entactogen. This can be very useful if one wants to enhance experiences that involve being around more non-tripping people as it's easier to interact with them. I think mescaline is very nice at these "underdoses"---magical even. My first two experience were sub-psychedelic, and I remember thinking about how I felt very grounded, confident, and at ease. I felt better than I ever had on MDMA, and it lasted much longer and lacked any of the negative effects.

Also, is there any period of time that one must wait before trying it a second time? With something like MDMA I know it's not recommended to do it too many times in close succession, for concern over depleting neurotransmitter reserves, unlike something like LSD or psilocybin that could be theoretically taken every day.

I'm not sure what you mean about theoretically being able to take LSD or psilocybin every day. Taking either of these or mescaline every day will lead to rapidly diminishing effects. To avoid diminished effects, I recommend waiting at least 3 days between two consecutive trips. If tripping three or more times, it's best to wait at least a week between each trip.

I personally prefer to wait at least a few weeks. Part of this is the psychological integration that is widely discussed, but I also feel like my body needs to "integrate" the experience in an analogous way to my psyche. I believe psychedelics initiate a cascade of changes and developments within the body which take more than a few days to manifest, and it's best to let the body finish its renovations before issuing new orders.

Since I'm now using psychedelics to treat chronic disease, I tend to pay close attention to what my body is doing. When symptoms start to return with greater frequency, it's usually a sign that it's time for another dose. As my overall health improves and I become more willing to take bigger doses, I'm noticing longer periods of remission after each dose. It's been 3 weeks since my 15 mg 2C-I dose, and I'm still in very good shape.

And is there typically a hangover the next day like MDMA, or not? Someone mentioned that to me but I wasn't sure if that was indeed the case, and I did feel a bit groggy for the first part of today but that seemed to dissipate in the afternoon; I wasn't sure if that was from the medicine or if it was unrelated.

All psychedelics have after-effects, but I would not use the word hangover to describe them at all. Indeed, I find post-trip effects to be complex and to last a lot longer than a day. I experience considerable mood elevation, feelings of increased flexibility and creativity, analgesia, stimulation, and some continued expansion of emotional range. For the most part, these "positive" after-effects counteract or mitigate the negatives I describe below.

The only real negatives I personally experience are fatigue and a headache. Many things contribute to the fatigue: activities undertaken during the trip; poor sleep quality/quantity on the night after; etc. I also think that in general, healing requires work, and work leads to fatigue. I also get post-trip headaches often but not always. With mescaline, these typically set in between the morning after and the second morning after. They are usually mild in nature and rarely persist beyond a full night of sleep.

So on the day after, I typically feel both negative and positive effects, but the positive effects are such that I can easily ignore the negative effects for the most part. That said, it's not unusual for the tiredness to catch up with me that evening or sometimes it takes another day to get there. Then I feel very tired and compelled to rest---not bad, just tired---and when I do rest it feels very restorative. After some good quality sleep, I find the negatives are all but gone but only positive effects that persist for days or even weeks.

The last thing I'll say is that I notice psychedelics, particularly the longer duration ones, seem to keep "doing work" on the body (if I may put it like that) for some days after the experience, and this can manifest as feelings that aren't entirely pleasant. I think of these as like growing pains or maybe healing pains. I suspect that they coincide with biological processes of restoration and renovation. I also suspect that the psyche may go through analogous processes.
 
I keep buying "pure mescaline" from vendors but its always bunk - I think it might be mescyllamine or something - definately not mescaline
You know what makes things definite? Getting it tested. I had mine tested and was mescaline all right. When I look at results of testing at canadian drug testing service most samples submitted as mescaline were what they are supposed to be. The days of all things sold as mesc being something else are over.

 
Sorry to jump the thread, but does anyone which salt is most common in DN markets? Wondering as I've got some laying around and not knowing how to calculate dosing. Could you distinguish between the salts using a reagent?
 
Sorry to jump the thread, but does anyone which salt is most common in DN markets? Wondering as I've got some laying around and not knowing how to calculate dosing. Could you distinguish between the salts using a reagent?
I've only found HCl.

In Europe anyway. Never bothered looking at US vendors on account of not being there.

I don't think reagents can tell the salts apart. The results cards I've seen just say mescaline.
 
Not reagents. If the substance is known to be one of the common salts of mescaline, then a melting point could probably distinguish them. In the lab we had specialized equipment which was fast and accurate. I don't actually know how practical it is to do such a test at home. If I wanted to know bad enough, I might at least try and research it.
 
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