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Mescaline (confused)

Blaise

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Ok am new to the board and am sure you've have seen alot of this topic come up in the past, question is...Does anyone round here do it, like its a pretty underground drug to my knowledge??? Do correct me if am wrong!!!

I've read heaps of stuff on how to extract the syrup/juice and stuff, but how do I know it contains Mescaline in it!!!

Thanks anyway...
Blaise
 
Do a search there a lots of threads about this. You will also need to learn how to identify mescaline containing cacti and know where buy them.

If you don’t have a separatory funnel the extraction will be quite a hassle, and perhaps a juice is a better option. I've posted some stuff you may find useful on cacti regarding weight and width of a cactus for determining dose that you should find in a search. There are some people who love mescaline, I know Urbanhog won't be far off with a comment. :)
 
Here I come!

Yeah cowboy was right ;)

Most of the information below is copy/pasted from a site that is considered a source so I couldn't provide a link, so I have copied/pasted some bits.

You need to find some nice Trichocereus

there's several Trichocereus genes

there's:

Trichocereus pachanoi (San Pedro)
reported to contain: mescaline (0.11 - 2.3% ), 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 4-hydroxy-3-methoxyphenethylamine, 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 4-hydroxy-3,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, anhalonidine, anhalinine, hordenine, tyramine, 3-methoxytyramine.

Trichocereus bridgesii
reported to contain: mescaline (small traces), tyramine, 3-methoxytyramine, 3-4-dimethoxyphenethylamine.

Trichocereus peruvians (Peruvian)
reported to contain: mescaline (0.82% ), 2-chloromescaline (.02% ), tyramine (.009% ), 3-methoxytyramine (.01% ), 3-4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, 4-hydroxy-3-5-dimethoxyphenethylamine (.004% ).

There's many other Trichocereus like spachianus, terscheckii, werdermannianus, etc and they often dont have or tiny traces of mescaline, that contains only a few other psychoactive alkaloids, mainly tryptamines in much lower proportions.

The alkaloids present, including the majority of mescaline reside in the first 1 cm of skin. The green chlorophyl containing tissue under the skin appears to be where the majority of the alkaloids accumulate. The adjacent white tissue is low in, or totally lacking those active ingredients. The woody core is also considered esentially free of active alkaloids.( May contain some alkaloids that might alter the effects of ingestion ).

But if you are looking for a cacti with higher mescaline content, Look around for some Lophophora the most common is Lophophora williamsii, there's also many other Lophophora's like Loph. jourdaniana, fricii, diffusa, etc

But they are usually expensive to buy because of the time they take to grow.

There have been over sixty alkaloids discovered in this plant which has been described as a " little green chemical factory ". This Cactus is known to contain 56 nitrogen containing compounds derived from a tyrosine base, as well as 20 tyramine-like alkaloids. Mescaline content usually ranges from about 3 - 6%, by dry weight, averaging around 4%, but is highly variable. Most of the alkaloids present can be classified as B-phenethylamines like mescaline or tetrahydroisoquinolines like hordenine. These chemicals differ in structure from LSD in that they don't have a complete indole ring. Mescaline content of fresh, undried cactus is reported at 0.4 %.



Lophophora williamsii (Peyote)
reported to contain: N-acetyl-3-methoxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, alanine, anhalamine, anhalidine, anhalinine, anhalonidine (14% of the total alkaloids), anhalonine, anhalotine, 3,4-dihydroxy-5-methoxyphenethylamine, epinine, dopamine, 3,4-dimethoxyphenethylamine, N-acetylanhalamine, N-acetylanhalonine, N-formylanhalamine, N-formylanhalinine, N-formylanhalonidine, N-formylanhalonine, N-formyl-O-methylanhalonidine, N-formyl-3-methoxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine, glycine (8% of the total alkaloids), hordenine, 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxyphenethylamine (1 to 5% of the total alkaloids), isoanhalamine, isoanhalonidine, 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxy-N-methylphenethylamine, isoanhalidine, isopellotine, lophophorine (5% of the total alkaloids), 3-hydroxy-4,5-dimethoxy-N,N-dimethoxyphenethylamine, lophorine, lophotine iodide, mescaline (30% of the total alkaloids), mescaline citrimide, mescaline malaimide, mescaline maleimide, mescaline succinimide, isocitrimide lactone mescaline , N-acetylmescaline, N-formylmescaline, N-methylmescaline, mescalotam, 3-methoxytyramine, 3-methoxy-N-methyltyramine, 3-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltyramine, O-methylanhalonidine, O-methylpeyoxylic acid, O-methylpeyoruvic acid, N-methyltyramine, pellotine (17% of the total alkaloids), peyoglunal, peyoglutam, peyonine, peyophorine, peyouvic acid, peyotine iodide, peyoxylic acid, tyramine.

Peyotes take years to mature, they can take over 10-15 and over years to mature, and tennis ball sized peyote is like almost 30 or so years old, as the older peyotes have much higher in alkaloids than young plants.

But you can always learn the art of "grafting" which means cutting the top off a couple-several year old peyote and graft them onto the top of Trichocereus, and it will increase the growth rate, but it doesnt mean it will increase the cacti's alkaloids.

Peyotes are beautiful cacti, (look at my avatar, that explains enough ;) ) and there's plenty of enthnobotany forums, you could possiblity find some Australian enthnobotany forums and they will give you more advice and information on identifying the Trichocereus. There's a lot of cacti people "think" they are Trichocereus, but they aren't and some look like them, but they are different spices with no psyhcoactive properties.

There's some enthnobotany forums often happy to help you to ID your cacti plants if you posted some snaps.

If you want further reading I strongly advise you to grab two books:

* SACRAMENTAL AND MEDICINAL CACTI (Peyote, San Pedro and other Ethnopharmacological Cactaceae) By Michael S. Smith

* SACRED CACTI By K. Trout

These books can be found by using google, just PM me if you want to know where to get the books, as I am not sure if I am allowed to say the source where to get books..... (Mods - am I allowed to URL to bookstores?)

You will find Michael S Smith in some of enthnobotany forums and he's a very friendly guy and always helpful taking his time giving his advice on plants he loves (and me too :) )

Goodluck.

Urbie %)
 
Its not an underground drug, its just easier to eat pills or acid to get off and thats why its used less. Eating san pedro tastes like stale beer and its hard to gauge how far your going to trip, due to growing conditions and so forth. Its a bit of a quest, finding the cactus then preparing and finally ingesting it, but its more than worth it.
 
Mescaline is one of the most prevalent naturaly occuring drugs (after DMT) that I see on a daily basis. It can be seen growing (in the form of cacti) all through melbourne. The reason it is not talked of much is that preparation of it can be time consuming and the most common preparation is bitter in tast but like Cactii said very much worth while. So

Come on now LETS ALL EAT SOME MESCALINE!!!

hehehe (quote from a song)
 
hmmm you mean these cactus are just growing in unsuspecting peoples gardens? and they can be bought legally from nursery or such? urban, could you give a link or addy for those forums, a mescaline mission sounds like much fun :) :)
 
Trichocereus cactus is pretty common, easy to find, just look for specialist nurseries that supply cacti, and I have already gave a hint in my above post how to find these forums, its not that hard. ;)

Mescaline is not for everyone, I have seen a lot of people get so keen about making San Pedro Syurp, and they often get dispointed at the end, they get sick, some can't handle the effect on the body and stomach on the build up.

Just don't expect too much from what you read from trip reports and studies when you whip up some Syurp or collect some cacti.
 
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Urbanhog said:


Just don't expect too much from what you read from trip reports and studies when you whip up some Syurp or collect some cacti.

Why is that? Not potent enough? If this is the case what would it take to achieve a trip like Aldous Huxley describes in "The Doors of Perception". (This is the only mescalin-related trip report I have read.

:)
 
ha, think about have a stomache full of a substance with the consitancy of ear wax. Then think about the mechanisims of getting it into your stomache and you will arive at the reason why its not for some people. Even before the drug takes hold you will feel uncomfortable with this.

For a first time I recomend eating the cactus unprepared (relativly), just peel the skin and remove the spines and eat it like sticks of celery. This way its harder to take to much and it will be more uncomfortable (the eating raw cactus bit) than the syrup so that next time you will be well prepared for feeling slightly uncomfortable when you start tripping on a higher dose.
 
Which one is Trichocereus and which is not?

Just in case you get excitied about going and hunt for some cacti.... just make sure you know which ones you are getting and from a reliable source, I mean there's heaps of cacti that looks like Trichocereus which isn't.

I have posted several pictures below.... can you pick which one is Trichocereus???? 8(

s3.jpg


t29.jpg


l4.jpg


t33.jpg


p4.jpg


t31.jpg


Anyone can pick out which is Trichocereus?

Cheers,

Urbie %)
 
I second Cowboy Mac. The Peruvian's have larger spines and the san pedro have spine holes that sort of point upwards with very short spines in them
 
1st - Stenocereus
2nd - Trichocereus pachanoi
3rd - Lophocereus schottii var. australis
4th - Trichocereus peruvianus Rimac
5th - Pachycereus pectin-aboriginum
6th - Trichocereus peruvianus

:D

from: http://www.columnar-cacti.org/ (its a information site.)
 
Thank you very much for answering my questions and elaborating further on the topic, wooohooo lol....cactus hunt this w/e...lol!!!
 
I've done the san pedro mission quite a few times now... It seems I'm unable to help myself as i walk past these luscious cacti on the streets...

Just a couple of points...

Once you've found a cactii and you think its the right one... stuff comparing it with the pictures, just take a bite... This could be quite stupid. But you'll know if its not san pedro because it will taste more like peas than a strong chemical.

also get the dose right... its too easy to under dose. After you've created your brew for 2, of 2 foot of cactii, dont go sharing it with your friend when he drops over because a 2 person dose wont work for 3 people. And when you under dose very little effects can be felt. There's a fine line, and you want to be over it.

happy trippin
 
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