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Mephedrone/Methylone labs shut down in China

organicshroom

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I have heard a few unoffical reports that some major labs in China that were responsible for alot of the production of Mephedrone and Methylone have been forced to shut down. The Chinese FDA in every province of China was ordered to search and stop production at certain labs by the government.

I also assume butylone, 3-FMC and all the other popular cathinones are targeted too, since they may be made in the same labs.

IS this finally the end?? With the heart of the world's supply being shutdown, we may see a total drought of all cathinones in the comming months.

Whats your thoughts?
 
organicshroom said:
IS this finally the end??
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I hope so :D

This has been a long time coming but as sameria said, don't be surprised if production then heads underground

Way too much money to be made...

I'm just over seeing this shit get passed off for what it's not. I have no problem when people knowingly buy cathinones.

In the past 12 months I have seen countless caps that are chockas' with these chemicals being sold as 'md caps' :(
 
Yeah, it's sad to see really. Just because it's a social taboo people can't get accuarate knowledge about drugs and how to safely use them. Hell, even a child could tell you it makes more sense to educate people properly and in an unbiased manner than to feed them lies and fearmongering.

Legality and knowledge for all!!
 
A possible downside to this is that the drug could in future be made from scratch - total synthesis - from a very common solvent. Whatever the impurities are from the current sources, we could possibly see a lot more nasty stuff with a clandestine made product.
 
Yeah the bad news is if you shut down the cathinones, it will be very scary to see what pops up to take their place :( We all remember the methadrone(bk-pmma) disaster. I have a soft spot in my heart(not as soft a spot as I do for MDMA of course:)) for mephedrone and methylone. They will be missed by many people.
 
I wonder what happened to the people running those labs. Using/dealing/manufacturing drugs in China is punishable by firing squad :\
 
I´m fortunately not dependent on those labs but it seems that 90% of the synthetic drugs used world wide are produced in Asia.
 
^ Atm, but off the cuff, there's still India and parts of Africa and South America that are possible players if China is taken out of the equation. Some of the Eastern block countries are possibly also still contenders. Even some smaller sovereignties lacking comprehensive drug laws may facilitate production and distribution, that is until authorities push for a ban. It really comes down to resources, local laws, ease of manufacture and distribution.

There's nothing much to stop a syndicate from exploiting local laws until a large amount is produced, then ship that off to another country, perhaps one also with accommodating laws, and distribute from there.

It's always going to be a cat and mouse game, and as has been said many times in relation to organised crime and drugs, the greater the advancements by LE, the greater the prize for would be manufacturers/suppliers. While demand stays high, there will always be incentive, and when demand is coupled with a market void, that incentive will always lead to exploitation.
 
Another quality post^^

I think local laws are of more concern for australian users.
 
I wonder if these same labs make other RCs like the 2c family ?

Products ive seen from vendors have all had made in china stickers on them
 
I read an article by Sky News about a big lab in Shanghai this week. Journalists pretended to be potential customers. They also asked what the chemical company would do if mephedrone was banned in the UK. The woman they had on the phone answered that there were 6-7 new products in the pipeline. I guess we can expect some to appear on the market soon.
 
^ Prices of cathinones wen't up by at least 50% from what I can tell.

One supplier does believe this is just a crackdown, not a criminalization of production/supply of cathinones. So maybe once this storm blows over it will be business as usual once other labs jump in to take up the demand.

Personally it's not sad to see such ones as mephedrone/butylone dissapeaering. But on the other hand, methylone would be, since MDMA is still in total droubt over here in NZ and stupidly high in price and impure when it is anyhow. IME methylone has been a pure, readily available and relatively safe product. If that becomes cut off, I believe people will resort back to binge drinking, which is far more toxic, even some social groups I've seen head in the direction of methamphetmine if pills/caps ain't available. This is what I believe will be a negative effect to the halt of production of cathinones in China.
 
I'm not sure if binge drinking is far more toxic than 4mmc. If you compare binging on them both, i think 4mmc will be greatly more harmful.
 
^ I mean't specifically with methylone. Though even with mephedrone, wouldn't you say, it may still be safer than binge drinking, given the rate of deaths with mephedrone vs alcohol?
 
^ It's hard to say. I wouldn't just look at rates of death either. There's decades of research on alcohol and sweet fuck all on mephedrone. No one knows exactly how cardiotoxic it is just yet.... :(
 
I would say that mephedrone is way way way more toxic.
Binge drinking is fairly hard to kill youself alone on, most alcohol related deaths are over excessive use over long periods or from things that have happened whilst intoxicated e.g car accident.

But Mephedrone has only been around for a shot time and we're already seeing deaths and severe symptoms from what doesn't even feel like binging too badly. And I'm sure that use oh 4-mmc over an extended period would cause huge damage aswell. I've been binge drinking for the last 5 years and have been informed that I have to cut down massively because of the damage I've done to myself.

But just a couple of weeks of regular 4-mmc and you feel short of breath, drained and just overall weaker. I have no doubt that 4-mmc is way more toxic vs alcohol.

I'd argue that Methylone is probably more toxic aswell, but I don't really have enough info to back up my claims, so I'll just leave it at that :P
 
^^^ there have most certainly been deaths from acute alcohol poisoning.
not from long term use, but purely from a, as in once, a binge drinking episode.
sure, most people would have to drink a lot, but you would be surprised how little can kill a person. alcohol, is a poison.

anyway, i dont want to enter the above debate re what substance is more toxic, or has more potential for harm. IMO all of our chosen subs have potential to be toxic.

personally, i think this will be a crackdown, things may change a little, but will probably continue after the heat settles down. id say its a response for the cameras, so to speak. after all, the uk is going thru the law change as we speak.

there will allways be a market for these drugs somewhere.

who knows, maybe in the future, users may look back and think "how could they haave used such large doses", and use it a bit more responsibly.
bit like what happened with lsd.
 
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