Mephedrone Megathread VI: Anyone Seen My Heartvalves?

[parttime crackhead]

i'm aff it. had enough.

 

[parttime crackhead]

na not really, just sniffed far too much of it yet again. nothing bad happened.

 

[FlippingTop]

I opened this thread thinking it was a megathread on IVing Mephedrone

It is crazy how much more popular Mephedrone is than Methylone around here, I supose if you are not worrying about the long term effects then it is cheaper and 'better'

Just out of interest, how much longer is an oral dose than a snorted one? What % of an oral dose is about as strong as a nasal dose?

 

[Evad]

I know, its a bit confusing. This site helps in so many other ways. Advice and warning etc.

here's a bit of recent discussion to help you understand the no sourcing bizniz

The no sources rule actually acts against Bluelight's best interest in this case really, since a lot of people would be better off knowing the safer site(s) to order RC's from.

I disagree wholeheartedly, it's not bluelight's place to do so at all, opening itself to stooging and shilling would just cause the board to become flooded with salesmen. There are no guaranteed safe RC vendors at all and chemicals that are legal in one area are not in others, telling people where to get drugs would detract greatly from bluelight.

True, that situation wouldn't be good at all. What I was thinking of though was a list compiled from trusted members of BL that highlighted the sites that had consistantly supplied dodgy rc's, and those that had not.

I understand though that then BL is taking on some responsibility for people ordering from these places so I can see it might not be a good idea.

Obviously no sourcing - we all know that.
But would it be ok to maybe have a list of definite BAD sources, ones for people to avoid, either for scamming or fuck ups like the one described.
Surely this would be harm reduction?

telling people how to buy drugs (this includes avoiding scammers) does not fall under harm reduction IMO

when fuck ups occur like the one mentioned then yes it's probably in the best interest to give details but no list should be made

I think it's really best that bluelight does not have any information or links to sources, dodgy or otherwise apart from exceptional circumstances like those outlined above.

Agreed. BL isn't here to help you acquire drugs in any way, shape or form - and that includes where not to score. As Evad mentioned, even if a substance is legal here it may not be in the US, for example. We aren't here to assist with illegal activities - we're here to provide information on the effects of drugs and ways to minimise the harm associated with use of those drugs. How you get said drugs is entirely your own responsibility. There are other forums (which we cannot discuss) where vendor discussions are allowed but BL isn't one of them

Exactly, there are other places on the Internet for this sort of thing.

BL's primary objective is Harm Reduction -> i.e we're not here to help you score drugs fromy legit/not legit vendors. That decision is up to you and there's plenty of ways of doing your own research.

In the rare occasion where there's a batch of particular drug that has been causing problems ala 2c-b-fly then we still don't mention the sources, but the information is out there for you to find out if you can do a little research.

edit - what all the mods above me said.

even in the 2cb-fly/BrDfly mixup i never saw a specific vendor mentioned here. Just hints as to who it may be.
And there are other forums which are more leniant with source discussion (1 i can think of has a list of scam sources) and even some forums dedicated to source discussion, id try to find one of those if its tht important to you.

bottom line is bluelight is not here to help you score drugs in any way, to give advice on vendors would require bluelight staff to be linked with vendors and this goes against what bluelight is all about.

 

[MeDieViL]

here's a bit of recent discussion to help you understand the no sourcing bizniz



bottom line is bluelight is not here to help you score drugs in any way, to give advice on vendors would require bluelight staff to be linked with vendors and this goes against what bluelight is all about.

But what about the site were you can impossible get a source from, but where you can check out all the vendors?

 

[Evad]

what's to stop someone making false claims just to hurt someone else's business? the people and attention that would come with allowing any vendor discussion are not the kinds that are wanted here.

But what about the site were you can impossible get a source from, but where you can check out all the vendors?

what you mean the site started by someone as a way to collect other peoples sources? and is just as open to shilling and bullshit as anywhere else? I don't believe that's a valid harm reduction source either, there's too much bullshit and politics in the drug selling world.

 

[Link_S]

Describe the product, what it looked like/smelt like and anything irregular and say 'got this from a common vendor' without naming the vendor if you got it from a common vendor, it'd make people be more aware and do a small line instead of diving right in.

Also say what you think its been cut with
Thats what i'd do anyway
Unless it was exceptional circumstances like those evad quoted

 

[MeDieViL]

what you mean the site started by someone as a way to collect other peoples sources? and is just as open to shilling and bullshit as anywhere else? I don't believe that's a valid harm reduction source either, there's too much bullshit and politics in the drug selling world.

Haha your way to paranoid man, there are scammers but not that many.

 

[Evad]

Haha your way to paranoid man, there are scammers but not that many.

I'm just saying it's not a resource that bluelight wants to be associated with.

Dunno what it was cut with. Roby purchases, not me. We both agreed that it was off some how but specifically, UNKNOWN.

It would be helpful if I knew. But what may not harm me may harm someone else. People has all sorts of intollerances and allergies.

I'm not a pro and cannot identify as easily as others. It just wasnt nice. Ronseal it aint!!

chances are even if you were allowed to name the vendor and even send out little samples to everyone that nobody is going to be able to tell you the cut is above a guess.

 

[Riklet]

The only situation when i've thought it even made a degree of sense to name a vendor was in the 2cb-fly deaths/drug-mix-up, and even then i can see why they weren't.

It's not hard to find vendor information or other places to list, blacklist and bullshit about them. Almost inevitably, most of those places are filled with far more of that latter. Source harvesting and people spreading as much shit as they can about. You're naive if you think not. Anyway, a gram of slightly crappy meph is no reason for vendors' names to be shouted about on BL. Take it up with them...

 

[Evad]

hah I don't think anyone is cheesed off it's just a question that has been brought up regularly for many years now so people who have been around a while have seen a lot of debate and most seem to agree with the blanket no source discussion rules

 

[koneko]

Not to keep off topic off topic, but it would open the floodgates...mephedrone isn't the only substance being sold on-line or in head shops.

Inbetween our posts we'd have all sorts of noob salesman and spammers infiltrating the real community objective, harm reduction.

I said I'd not post in this 6th meph thread, cause I ain't touching it ever again... but feel strongly about the no sourcing / vendor discussion rule.

 

[nuke]

If we opened the forum to vendor discussion we'd be swarming with LEOs and eventually be shut down, like I'm pretty sure a certain other forum with source discussion will eventually be. Bluelight isn't here to facilitate your procurement of illegal or non-legal but potentially destructive drugs.

 

[IdiotsInStereo]

If we opened the forum to vendor discussion we'd be swarming with LEOs and eventually be shut down, like I'm pretty sure a certain other forum with source discussion will eventually be. Bluelight isn't here to facilitate your procurement of illegal or non-legal but potentially destructive drugs.

On what grounds could you enforce a takedown request when the respective activity being discussed is completely legal?

Not only do I find it highly unlikely that you could find any legal basis to do so, it would be extra hard to do with servers domiciled in a non-English speaking country.

 

[Shambles]

Mephedrone isn't legal in most of the world.

Also, this topic has been done to death in this thread and in many others. Try Support if you wish to change BL policy. It won't happen but you're welcome to try. Or you could just register with those forums that do allow such discussion - BL isn't the only drug/HR forum on tinterwebz - just the best

 

[parttime crackhead]

Mephedrone isn't legal in most of the world.

Also, this topic has been done to death in this thread and in many others. Try Support if you wish to change BL policy. It won't happen but you're welcome to try. Or you could just register with those forums that do allow such discussion - BL isn't the only drug/HR forum on tinterwebz - just the best

Haha, either like it or fuck off %)

 

[IdiotsInStereo]

It's your sandbox - your rules

I'm just reacting to the aforementioned matter-of-fact statement that discussing sources would get the site shut down.

I can't think of a single precedent where that has actually happened. Can you?

 

[perputuousdreamer]

I ventured in to the world of meph couple weeks ago and I absolutely loved it!
I tried powdered form first and I managed to get a gram to last me 12 hours and I shared it. (Something that could never ever happen on coke)(Even good coke)
That first buzz was like doing my first proper pill all over again. Since then I bought a crystal form off the internet and found that to be stonger but hurt my nose alot more than the powdered form.
Since those few weeks have passed, pretty much everyone I know in my home town is talking about it, shops are selling out, and everyone has gone nuts over it.
Gotta admit, I havent had any bad side effects, no come down at all, I can eat on it, sleep on it, its cheap, its readily available.... I mean come on... Isn't this the closest thing to a *perfect drug* anyone could of ever hoped for?....
But it won't be long before the law squeezes its grasp on the thing, realise people have found something they enjoy thats legal, and then they'll can take it away again (cunts) but for what its worth people, highly recommended.
Enjoy it while it lasts

 

[parttime crackhead]

Isn't this the closest thing to a *perfect drug* anyone could of ever hoped for?....

you've not read the rest of the mephedrone chat on here then?

even without that, it's far from perfect. MDMA pisses right on it from a massive height after you get over the initial "fucking hell, this stuff actually works, i'm out my box!"

 

[Scire]

Mephedrone? Professor of Psychopharmacology Says Its Safe

I think this guy is a bit too quick to jump to that conclusion. Most of us know its fiendish stuff and not good for the heart. The vascoconstriction is downright scary. I'm trying to use mine responsibly though; never done more than 300mg in a day and never done it 2 days in a row. Only had it a week mind you... Definitely moreish, still looking for the holy grail.