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Mephedrone Megathread: Five heart attacks later...

^Did you tell him that its £100 or less for somewhat more than 4g's if you purchase from certain online shops?
Or did you hold back as then he is likely to start doing 10g's a night instead8o

No I've got it...tell him where to get MDPV from and watch as his psychosis unfolds...or not....harm reduction dictates it would be the worst idea ever!

I did tell him its only about 10 - 15 a g on the net but he won't listen bud! they think its a bonus as theyve been paying 30 - 40 a g on wank coke. They are the sort of people who look at you gone out when you mention testing pills.
 
mephedrone I find more addictive and compulsive on the redose than any other drug. Even opiates. Once I start with even a small 50mg line, its very hard to not end up staying awake and still sniffing the odd line 24 hours later still. Thats why I've stopped using it, I wasn't in control when on it. Ironically the effects were too good to make it a good drug in my opinion.
 
Oh, and for my money, the crystal stuff has a lot fewer side effects. I definitely trust my own and other users' judgement more than what some Shulgin wannabe on d-f thinks ;).


Hmm.

Who you talking about here then matey jim?
 


Talk to frank put methedrone in the same category as methylone and mephedrone saying methedrone is "Similar effects to mephedrone"

NO.

methedrone is bk-PMMA / 4-Methoxymethcathinone.
mephedrone is 4-MMC / 4-methylmethcathinone.

Methedrone is an analogue of the lethal PMA for gods sake! And they put it in the same category... I hate to think what would happen to anyone who gets their info from Frank and gayly tries some methedrone.

Two people sadly recently died of methedrone;
http://www.thelocal.se/22648/20091014/
Two die of legal drug overdose - Methedrone or bk-PMMA deaths
Two young men in Linköping in south-east Sweden have died after overdosing on the psychoactive drug methedrone, a substance that is not yet illegal in Sweden and can be bought on the internet, local news website Corren.se reports.
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The results of a post mortem examination were finalised last week following the deaths of the two young men during the summer.

"We have classified the deaths as methedrone poisoning," said Arne Eklund, acting manager at the National Board of Forensic Medicine's Linköping branch.

Police in the city are frustrated at the legal status of the drug. Having recently seized a large quantity of the drug, they may have no alternative but to return it to its owner.

"It's a nightmare," Chief Inspector Magnus Råsten told Corren.

The Ministry of Health and Social Affairs is currently in the process of preparing a draft proposal with the aim of classifying the drug as a narcotic. The government is expected to approve the proposal by the end of the year.

According to the Swedish National Institute of Public Health, methedrone, or bk-PMMA, is a new substance that has become more widely available in 2009.

The institute said the substance brings on a euphoric rush in users and could be viewed as a substitute for the related drug mephedrone, which was classified as a narcotic in May of this year.
 
Ok, I understand there is a lot of cause for concern with this drug. But, I think we may be overreacting. Mod's please chime in on this, as well.

The only people who are experiencing side effects are those that are abusing the shit out of it. With any drug, abuse can lead to health problems. Is it not a fair assumption, that done in moderation, this drug is not particularly harmful? Are we jumping to conclusions, solely on the fact that there is not much research done on this drug?

I have read that the chemical structure has raised some eyebrows. But, still. When I take this drug, I never go over 200 mg's a night. And I don't experience any side effects.

Curious to hear thoughts on this.

Tomer
 
I have read that the chemical structure has raised some eyebrows. But, still. When I take this drug, I never go over 200 mg's a night.
I think thats fine. But have no in depth scientific research to back it up.

Its people like me with addictive personalities to euphoric stimulants that need to worry and cant stop once they start.
 
Talk to frank put methedrone in the same category as methylone and mephedrone saying methedrone is "Similar effects to mephedrone"

NO.

methedrone is bk-PMMA / 4-Methoxymethcathinone.
mephedrone is 4-MMC / 4-methylmethcathinone.

Methedrone is an analogue of the lethal PMA for gods sake! And they put it in the same category... I hate to think what would happen to anyone who gets their info from Frank and gayly tries some methedrone.

Two people sadly recently died of methedrone;
http://www.thelocal.se/22648/20091014/

Mephedrone and methedrone have similar effects as far as Im aware.
 
does the relationship to PMA actually mean that it has to share any of the dangerous properties? There are surely many safe(ish) chemicals that have very toxic relatives.
 
does the relationship to PMA actually mean that it has to share any of the dangerous properties? There are surely many safe(ish) chemicals that have very toxic relatives.

3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine and Methamphetamine spring to mind - although structurally they are quite different.


I could be wrong but my very, very basic understanding of pharmacokinetics tells me that it is the methoxy group in Methedrone that is 'bad'. I am sure it may have been mentioned before, but correction or clarification would be welcome! :)
 
Is anyone else in the same position as me, thinking it would be a good idea to buy a bulk amount before the ban comes into force... but not trusting yourself with a large quantity of mephedrone? I know if me and my mates got our hands on 100 grams there would be trouble :!.

haha! What a conundrum! :) I know your situation...

The criminalisation is bound to happen sooner rather than later. Just wait until someone dies of it and it will be knee-jerk city. The politicians will love it - making it look like they are doing something to 'protect the children'.
 
oh, and just to add my 2p into the hat...

After just dabbling with meph over the past few months (few lines here and there) I pushed it a bit and did two grams over last weekend - combined with not sleeping on Saturday night. Didn't get any blue knees or any noticeable side effects at all. Managed to fall asleep on the Sunday night relatively easily - when it had all gone of course - and get up OK Monday morning.
Now it's Thursday and fell absolutely fine. No paranoia, sketchiness, chest pains, or anything negative - except for maybe a bit of tiredness, but that could just be due to missing a nights sleep and getting up at 6am for work each morning!

Regarding the fluffy vs crystal argument, I have noticed that the fluffy seems more speedy and makes you feel a bit more 'wired' (ie: Speed-like) whereas the crystal is smoother and gives you more nice feelings, akin to MDMA.

I am concerned about the toxicity of the stuff though - so it would be a good idea of how bad, in relative terms, it can be. Is it worse than cocaine, amphetamines, MDMA, etc.?

...and the re-dosing aspect is a weird one. I can set and follow rules on every other drug, but meph just seems to know how to talk to my brain and throw all reason out the window for "just one more line". For some reason I find this amusing! :)
 
There are certainly non toxic analogues of toxic substances, however given mephedrones already very sketchy health concerns and potential heart valve damage i would not touch a relative of it, that was even closer to the (damn awful) PMA, with a twenty foot barge pole. As if PMA wasn't enough.

F&B said it well here:

^ Agree wholeheartedly. If you want a psuedo-MDMA type effect, stick with methylone as it has very few reports of negative consequences of use (except for the standard feeling fucked afterwards). Mephedrone (4-methylmethcathinone) is IMO nasty shit which I wouldn't touch with my now infamous shitty stick. Methedrone (4-methoxymethcathinone) on the other hand, I would even get close enough to havbe to decide to touch it with a shitty stick asd it just seems like it'll be as bad, if not worse.


http://wapedia.mobi/en/Methoxyphedrine

4-Methoxymethcathinone, (Methedrone, bk-PMMA, PMMC), is a psychoactive drug and research chemical of the phenethylamine, amphetamine, and cathinone chemical classes. It produces stimulant effects. [1] It is closely related to para-methoxymethamphetamine (PMMA), and likely has a similar pharmacological profile. [.......]

CAS number 530-54-1 [.....]

2. Health Risks

As 4-methoxymethcathinone is a relatively new drug with little exposure experienced by humans, there are many concerns for possible ill health effects that are currently unknown. It should be noted that some amphetamine analogues containing paramethoxy group are known to cause severe hyperthermia and even death due to concurrent MAOI and monoamine releasing action.


http://translate.google.com/transla...dodsdrog-1.954454&sl=sv&tl=en&history_state0=
The subject is in the phenethylamines and similar mefedron which drug class 25 May this year. Det liknar också så kallade bk-PMMA och PMA-substanser som är mycket giftiga. It resembles also known as bk-PMMA and PMA substances are highly toxic. Det ett flertal dödsfall beskrivna i bland annat USA, Australien, Tyskland. The numerous deaths described in, inter alia, United States, Australia, Germany. [.........]

As late as May 25 drug class design drug mefedron, popularly called "crab". Nu har dess ersättare, methedrone, förmodligen skördat sina första offer. Now has its place, methedrone, probably claimed its first victim. Men polisen kan tvingas lämna tillbaka det dödliga pulver som tagits i beslag av dess unga användare. But the police could be forced to hand back the deadly powder seized by its young users.

- It feels terrible. Jag åberopar nöd, jag kan inte medverka till att lämna ut preparat som vi vet dödar unga människor, säger Jonas Wendel, förundersökningsledare på länskriminalens ungdomssektion i Stockholm. I invoke emergency, I can not help to make the preparations that we know are killing young people, "says Jonas Wendel, investigator at länskriminalens youth division in Stockholm.

På bordet framför honom ligger ett flertal små påsar med ett gulaktigt, strösockerliknande pulver som under sommaren vuxit i popularitet bland unga, experimenterande droganvändare. On the table in front of him are several small bags with a yellowish, granulated sugar-like powder in the summer has grown in popularity among young people, experimentation drug users.

Redan i december förra året, när det så kallade mefedronet klassades som hälsofarlig vara levde diskussionerna på internet om vad som komma skulle. As early as last December, when the so-called mefedronet classed as a health hazard to be lived discussions on the internet about what was to come. När preparatet narkotikaklassades i maj var ”marknaden” redan förberedd – en molekylär förändring var allt som krävdes för att framställa ett nytt, syntetisk pulver med samma effekter: methedrone. When the drug preparation was classified in May was the "market" is already prepared - a molecular change was all it took to produce a new, synthetic powder with the same effect: methedrone.


http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=686783
Two young men in Linköping in south-east Sweden have died after overdosing on the psychoactive drug methedrone, a substance that is not yet illegal in Sweden and can be bought on the internet, local news website Corren.se reports.

The results of a post mortem examination were finalised last week following the deaths of the two young men during the summer.

"We have classified the deaths as methedrone poisoning," said Arne Eklund, acting manager at the National Board of Forensic Medicine's Linköping branch.

Police in the city are frustrated at the legal status of the drug. Having recently seized a large quantity of the drug, they may have no alternative but to return it to its owner.

"It's a nightmare," Chief Inspector Magnus Råsten told Corren.

The Ministry of Health and Social Affairs is currently in the process of preparing a draft proposal with the aim of classifying the drug as a narcotic. The government is expected to approve the proposal by the end of the year.

According to the Swedish National Institute of Public Health, methedrone, or bk-PMMA, is a new substance that has become more widely available in 2009.

The institute said the substance brings on a euphoric rush in users and could be viewed as a substitute for the related drug mephedrone, which was classified as a narcotic in May of this year.
 
Methedrone Crystal vs Powder Opinions

Hi there,

I've been using Methedrone for a while now and can only say good things about it. %)

All of my batches have been of the crystal variety but by last shipment was powder which I've not had before. I was just wondering if there is much difference between the two?

:)
 
^Methedrone or mephedrone?

I take it you mean mephedrone, the powder is of lower quality and has more unpleasant side effects IMO
 
The powder is just crushed crystal don't believe anything otherwise. This has been confirmed by many including a large importer/supplier of the product. There have been some impure batches from the sounds of things but the whole powder v crystal thing is null.
 
The powder is just crushed crystal don't believe anything otherwise. This has been confirmed by many including a large importer/supplier of the product. There have been some impure batches from the sounds of things but the whole powder v crystal thing is null.

So basically it gives the same result.

Have to say I prefer the look of the crystal stuff as it looks more pure.

But if the effects are the same then I'm a happy bunny. ;)
 
Yes they have the same result mate, they are the same thing.

It's like ket crystals, when you crush them up they become powder. Same product, just crushed up :)
 
I can't guarantee that your particular powder is fine, powder would be easier to cut but powder can be identical to crystal and in most cases probably is. I would assume that it will have the same effects, if you're dosing by eye then you might dose differently as powder can look like more volume than crystal.
 
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