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Mephedrone for medication?

If you have a serious mental health issue like unipolar depression the only effective treatment that is available to you would be SSRI medications. Thinking that mephedrone is going to cure you or effectively treat your unipolar depression does not seem like a good idea. SSRI medications are backed by quite a bit of scientific research. Mephedrone is a recreational drug that is backed by zero scientific studies and from anecdotal evidence it appears to have a high addiction potential. My opinion is that you are being sucked in by the drug and this is negatively effecting your ability to make rational decisions concerning the treatment of a very serious mental illness.
 
ColtDan said:
meph as medication...


fucking lol.
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Aww leave the poor girl alone =D

Girly, I would be very interested in the long term effects of Meph. I don't think its a great idea to treat your depression though. A lot of AD(H)D medications are really good too, if you are depressed, there is a good chance that you have AD(H)D. Depressed people usually have something lacking in their life, if you try to fix that while oh meph though I'm sure you would feel better in the long term. Drugs are a tool, not a means. Unless you plan on redosing yourself the rest of your life that is (nothing wrong with that).

graugeist, did you read what the OP wrote? She tried it and it didn't work. Years of research doesn't really change results, especially when those results are cherry picked.
 
Depressicaa said:
Aww leave the poor girl alone =D
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Thanks for defending me.

Depressicaa said:
Depressed people usually have something lacking in their life, if you try to fix that while oh meph though I'm sure you would feel better in the long term.
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Right well that's what I've been doing LOL. I fight depression for specific circumstantial reasons and not because I have some mental disorder. I do freelance work so I make money when I'm in the mood to work and when I don't feel like working I don't make money...so if something kick-starts me then it makes a big difference financially, and given that much of my depression can be fixed with time+money then I can honestly say it improves my life significantly to be able to focus and get things done.

Depressicaa said:
Drugs are a tool, not a means. Unless you plan on redosing yourself the rest of your life that is (nothing wrong with that).
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Well I don't plan on redosing the rest of my life, this is another reason why SSRI is a bad plan.

Depressicaa said:
graugeist, did you read what the OP wrote? She tried it and it didn't work. Years of research doesn't really change results, especially when those results are cherry picked.
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Yep SSRIs are pretty evil IMO. I don't think drugs for fixing depression is a good plan but if I get antidepressant effects with small infrequent doses it does change my outlook.

I am going to move on to coca tea though and see if that can give me what I need, meph is a bit too experimental and I am starting to get paranoid about possible long term effects. Coca tea has been used for millennia.
 
I tried coca tea finally and I am pretty impressed by it. It actually feels a lot like meph but is "cleaner" in the sense that meph tends to make me more ADD-ish and coca made me much more focused. The euphoria was about the same, granted I never do that much meph but it was very similar. However I think the coca is way safer tan the meph. I was surprised with how inexpensive it was as well.
 
Hmm...I recently heard that small doses of K can cure depression. It's too bad that when I got a gram in April I used it up fairly fast, I didn't hear about this until after I had finished it off. But if I can find some more then I'll try doing small doses (like 25mg oral) and see if it really does help with depression or not...
 
^ There's plenty of evidence that ketamine is an excellent treatment for acute depression (definitely works for me) but whether it would do more harm than good used for chronic depression is probably more debatable. There are threads on it dotted around BL if you search round a bit :)

Has very little to do with mephedrone though...
 
girlygrrl said:
@colors - how would ADD drugs help with depression?
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At the low doses you are using mephedrone, the psychoactive and mood elevating effects should be almost identical to amphetamine or methamphetamine.

All euphoric stimulants are antidepressants.

However, 4-methylephedrine, the mephedrone metabolite that builds up in your blood due to its long half-life will cause damage to your cardiovascular system long term. Plain ephedrine will too.
 
MrIbis said:
25mg... Are you fucking insane?

common mephedrone dosages are 250-400mg oral, nasal 100-150mg...

What like MAOI drugs are you on?
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Those aren't common dosages dude. Those are the dosages of brain-fried stimulant-tolerant junkies.

Did you even read the post? She's using it as an antidepressant, not a recreational drug. Like, to go to school and work on, to drive a car on, etc., ya know?
 
Yeah you guys are crazy with the large doses (200mg+)

I needed to do an all-nighter of manual labor (packing/moving) on about 3 hours of sleep from the night before. I did 80mg oral and did around four lines throughout the night (my lines are around 10-15mg each) and that was a very intense trip, my eyes dilated and my thought patterns got all OCDish. But I had enough energy to get everything done and I kept going and going and going until I was completely finished. It was way too much IMO.

For recreational use if I just do 50-60mg and chill out and watch a romantic comedy or something then I feel super good. If I do over 100mg I feel wasted and it is not the kind of wasted that I enjoy, not like a K-hole or something.

Granted I'm female and am apparently overly sensitive to the stuff. My brother had to do 120mg to feel energy-drink levels of stimulation and he didn't experience any psychoactive effects besides slight mood elevation. So I can't speak for everyone, but I do think that taking half a gram or something is insane even if you have a high tolerance for it.

Frankly I prefer meph over caffeine and consider it a caffeine alternative / substitute with anti-depressant qualities at low doses, but I don't think it's good or safe to try to "roll" on it, if you want to "roll" then get some molly or ecstasy. It's too bad that meph gets such a bad rap because frankly small amounts of it should be sold in energy drinks, I swear it has way less side effects for an equal amount of stimulation than an energy drink does (I once drank four monsters in a 24 hour period and ended up with major jaw clenching and bruxism to the point where I was gnawing through my lower lip)
 
In all honestly, mephedrone literally sounds like a better medication that any fucking SSRI. I absolutely hate, hate, HATE SSRI's, with a burning passion. And I have my reasons!

Not much is known, long term, about mephedrone, yet. I'd gladly be a test subject, though :)
 
^ you and me both. :)

I have to say I've been messing around with this stuff for a couple months and I'm still quite impressed by it.
 
I understand you on this one because I've somewhat used psychedelics to "self medicate", but I try to limit myself to tripping once a week at the MOST. Ideally, less than that. If I trip once every week or two, I find that I have so much more motivation and enjoy/appreciate life a lot more. I tend to have problems with depression and lethargia otherwise (have for a years, so I know it's not because I started tripping)...

Just try not to overdo it, and then you should be able to enjoy its antidepressant qualities more. It's probably one of those positive effects that would diminish due to overuse. :[
 
I just got some Meph off a dealer as it's banned now, and it was all yellow and sticky/soggy. It smelt like meph but it would be impossible to snort now, what do you think is wrong with it?
 
^ I have no idea, the meph I get is 99% pure and is made up of bleach white tiny crystals that are finer than grains of sand and not at all sticky.

Whatever you have I don't think I'd feel comfortable ingesting, it seems tainted or something. I'd recommend obtaining meph from another source, be safe as it is not worth risking your health on poor quality product. Meph has enough health risks as is when it is completely pure, and although the risks are not as high as the government and media would scare you into believing, having impure product may very well magnify health risks.
 
Back on-topic from my original post...

I have found that 5-HTP works wonders for depression. I bought it to help with MDMA hangovers but I've found that whenever I get really depressed it relaxes me and reduces my anxiety levels. It also seems to reset tolerance levels for mephedrone as an added bonus.

I don't take 5-HTP that often because I feel somewhat drunk or sedated on it, but I don't need to because its anti-depressant effects seem to last several days.

I am not a doctor but from what I understand about depression and serotonin levels is that SSRI's slow down the speed at which serotonin is released so that your serotonin reserves are not depleted too quickly as running low causes depression. MDMA flushes the reserves so that all the serotonin you have gets released at once to provide you with the "ecstasy" feeling. And 5-HTP simply fills up the serotonin reserve tanks so that you have more serotonin to go around and don't have to mess with the speed of release.

I could be wrong about how I'm conceptualizing the way serotonin works but this is my understanding...so I find 5-HTP to be vastly superior to SSRI's because all it does is create more serotonin instead of messing with the systems that use and release it.

I just found that Saint John's Wort did absolutely nothing for me and I felt ripped off by it, SSRI's make me feel like a zombie and suppress my ambition and creativity, and while 5-HTP makes me feel a little drunk or something when it is in my system, I feel more productive and have a much better outlook for several days after taking it, so I'm extremely surprised that it seems to live up to the hype.
 
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