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mephedrone crack...

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smokenjoke

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Is it possible to make a freebase mephedrone??
I dont know much about this but is there any way to get high off mephedrone by smoking it?? thanks in advance
=D
 
Wow, hahaha. Well, I'd reckon if you could make Mephedrone in a way that it is the same state as Crystal Meth comes in, then you could smoke it...Maybe not though. Is there a chemical difference between 'Methamphetamine' and Crystal Meth.
 
vortex30;7429017 Is there a chemical difference between 'Methamphetamine' and Crystal Meth.[/QUOTE said:
i dont think so? i think its just different forms of production.
 
i dont think so? i think its just different forms of production.

Can you smoke methamphetamine, or does it have to be the 'crystal' meth, if there even is any fundamental difference between crystal meth and methamphetamine, besides the consistency of the chemical?
 
^hmm not sure.

why is there a new " ______________ (insert drug name here) crack" thread everyday!?!


thats what i wanna know.
 
Can you smoke methamphetamine, or does it have to be the 'crystal' meth, if there even is any fundamental difference between crystal meth and methamphetamine, besides the consistency of the chemical?

I'm not a stimulant user, but this is how it works for all chemicals I can think of.

A substance can be in a salt form which makes it water soluble. It can be shot in this form or snorted because it can be dissolved in water.

e.g. Cocaine

A substance can be in freebase form which lowers it's boiling point, making it smokeable. These forms will burn really bad when snorted (because it won't dissolve in the water in your sinuses), and can't be shot because it won't dissolve into solution.

e.g. Crack

Meth makes a caustic oil when freebased, so pretty much all meth I know of is the HCl salt form. So crystal meth and methamphetamine are the same thing.

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To answer the original question, Freebasing mephedrone would almost definitely make a caustic oil. I know that Meth and MDMA become caustic oils when freebased, and they are similar in structure to mephedrone. Methamphetamine can be smoked in its salt form, but from what I've heard MDMA doesn't work very well that way (probably most of it burns). Maybe mephedrone would be somewhere in between?
 
Can you smoke methamphetamine, or does it have to be the 'crystal' meth, if there even is any fundamental difference between crystal meth and methamphetamine, besides the consistency of the chemical?
=D

actually "chrystal meth"= dextromethamphetamine.
methamphetamine can be racemic methamphetamine(which is practically unavailable);)
racemic meth also wouldn't be chrystal.
 
^ Crystal meth isn't a scientific term... there's no agreed upon definition set out by ISO or anything like that. Meth / speed / ice / crank are all interchangable for most purposes... I'd call crystal meth (ice) methamphetamine in crystal form, but you could also argue that ground up crystals cut with glucose is no different than speed.

"chrystal meth"= dextromethamphetamine.

Most of the time, yes (due to the precursor used) however there's even levo (and of course racemic) doing the rounds in the USA now according to DEA microgram.

There's countless myths about meth, so trying to decode them is a waste of time unless you're on meth :\

** The other day Discovery Channel or NatGeo ran that World's Most Dangerous Drug doco about meth, and they said bikers made speed from "the ephedrine in chicken feed... (and it is called) crank because the bikies stored the stuff in the crankshaft of their bikes". Jesus Christ, do some research guys! When was there ever ephedrine in chicken feed, except in the mind of tweakers
 
Dr. Shulgin says(;)) :
A. Shulgin said:
First, a statement of simple fact. "Ice" and the hydrochloride salt of d-methamphetamine are identical chemicals and thus have identical effects. They differ in their appearance, however, and in their usual routes of self-administration. d-Methamphetamine hydrochloride has classically been seen as very fine white powder. However, if you dissolved it in boiling water and either put the solution into a refrigerator, or let the water evaporate slowly, it forms large transparent crystals that can vary in size from grains of rice up to the last joint of your little finger.

The white powder form has classically been taken orally or injected, whereas the "ice" crystalline form is usually smoked. This product is always the optically active "d" isomer -- efforts to make large crystals from water solutions of the dl-racemic methamphetamine have always failed.
 
Mephedrone can be smoked as it is. Don't know about washing it up crack-stylee but I've chased it on tinfoil (as have others) and it works. I didn't find it especially worthwhile but some folks are very fond of doing it that way. I suspect it's horribly bad for you though. Oral dosing seems to be the best way with meph - in terms of maximum good effects for minimum bad effects - and I'm not a fan of oral dosing for most things.
 
Oral dosing seems to be the best way with meph - in terms of maximum good effects for minimum bad effects

Now I'm not an expert in these matters and could be wrong, but isn't snorting mephedrone the 'ideal' route of administration in terms of maximum effect achievable from the least amount of drug? As opposed to taken orally anyway (not sure about IV'ing the stuff).
 
I find snorting it emphasises the less pleasant effects - chest discomfort in particular. It's also much more fiendish for most. Oral doses are pretty high but the stuff's cheap as hell (in the UK at least, don't know about elsewhere) so not a major concern and the effects are much more smooth and enjoyable :)

If conserving product is more important plugging it uses a similar dose to snorting it but will get you much higher. I find snorting to be (other than smoking it :|) the least enjoyable way of doing it and this seems to be the case with many regular users. IV meph is no great shakes either, by the way :)

The most popular way of dosing seems to be to take an oral dose (usually 150-250mg) and sniff a smallish (50-100mg) line on the come-up to give it more of a kick. Personally, I don't think the snorted booster is really necessary but have been known to do it anyway 8)
 
^ Crystal meth isn't a scientific term... there's no agreed upon definition set out by ISO or anything like that. Meth / speed / ice / crank are all interchangable for most purposes... I'd call crystal meth (ice) methamphetamine in crystal form, but you could also argue that ground up crystals cut with glucose is no different than speed.



Most of the time, yes (due to the precursor used) however there's even levo (and of course racemic) doing the rounds in the USA now according to DEA microgram.

There's countless myths about meth, so trying to decode them is a waste of time unless you're on meth :\

** The other day Discovery Channel or NatGeo ran that World's Most Dangerous Drug doco about meth, and they said bikers made speed from "the ephedrine in chicken feed... (and it is called) crank because the bikies stored the stuff in the crankshaft of their bikes". Jesus Christ, do some research guys! When was there ever ephedrine in chicken feed, except in the mind of tweakers
its is still in chicken feed. the brand is rooster booster and its kept behind the counter of feed stores and holds alot of it if you know how to extract it out right
 
Heh I have to agree that snorting the stuff is pretty unpleasant (painful even), and yeah, the subjective effects are definitely different than those you get from an oral dose.

And like you say its so cheap, the extra few mg required for an oral dose aren't really an issue if thats your preferred ROA.

=DI'll have to look into this plugging business a bit more though. Are there any threads on the forum that deal with the finer points of this method..?
 
its is still in chicken feed. the brand is rooster booster and its kept behind the counter of feed stores and holds alot of it if you know how to extract it out right

That is a myth

Investigation

Laying meal is a complex mixture of crude protein, fat, fibre and minerals, especially calcium. The obvious nature of the feed is to provide a high protein food source to allow a great laying capacity, while providing important minerals like calcium to produce hard egg shells. A typical list of ingredients includes ground corn; soybean, meat and bone meal; corn gluten meal, dehydrated alfalfa meal, vitamins A, D3, E and B12, folic acid, and a high calcium source, such as oyster shell. The feeds generally come in two types, 16 and 20, that describe the percentage of calcium present, and are usually a part of the product name.

The investigation involved three phases: checking with the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA); determining the historical and current background on the formulation of laying meal from several manufacturers; and following the seized procedures on a sample of the laying meal and chemically examining the extract for phenethylamine compounds or precursors.

The FDA is the regulating agency of the Federal government that recommends and approves industry standards for a wide range of products, including food stuffs, drugs and cosmetics. The FDA is also responsible for monitoring compliance with those standards through chemical analysis of materials. Employees of the FDA, involved during the late 1960s and early 1970s with approving feed formulations, were polled to determine if the use of stimulants, specifically phenethylamines, was ever approved for use in laying meal or any other type of livestock feed products. It was found that stimulants had never been approved by FDA for use in those products (McCormick, A, personal communication).

Three major manufacturers of livestock feed products were contacted concerning the history of the production of their feeds and the current formulation of their laying meal. Nutrena (Stockton, CA), a division of Cargill Corporation, indicated that no stimulants were added to their feeds Layer 16, and Layer 20. Occasionally, an antibiotic might be added to some of their feeds targeted at broilers. The common drug used is Amprolium (Amprol-25), and it is added to prevent coccidiosis, a disease in chickens caused by fungi of the genus Coccidioides that may be parasitic in humans. This drug is approved for use in the feeds by FDA (Gomez D, personal communication). The poultry division of Ralston-Purina (St Louis, MO Layenna) also confirmed no stimulants had ever been added to their laying meals, nor were they presently being added. They did indicate, much like Nutrena, that antibiotics or other FDA approved medications might be mixed with the feeds (Engsten H, personal communication).

Manna Pro Corporation (Los Angeles, CA-Egg Maker 16, Egg Maker 20) indicated that no stimulants had ever been added to laying meals produced by Manna Pro, or the previous companies. Manna Pro was originally the Albers Feed Company, and was subsequently sold to Carnation and Nestle's before finally becoming Manna Pro. This issue was raised with retired members of the technical staff and none could remember the addition of any stimulants to the feed. Quite the contrary, it seems that stress and hysteria are two problems that must be monitored in the layers. In the early days (dates unknown) it was common for Albers to put reserpine, a sedative, into the feeds to treat the hysteria (Aydin A, personal communication). One of the products that Manna Pro, and originally Albers, is known for is Calf Manna. This is a higher quality protein feed designed to be used with calves shortly after weaning. The feed also contains anisole, oats and oat meal, and some herbs, and is known to relieve stress in livestock. While it was designed for use with calves, it is widely used as an additive and supplement feed for cattle, horses (show and race) and other show-type livestock. Manna Pro did indicate that Calf Manna had been mixed into laying meal formulated for sale in Japan. Interestingly, Manna Pro receives inquiries from university level athletes concerning the ingredients of the Calf Manna product. It is not known whether the athletes are trying to determine if the feed contains steroids that might promote growth in the calves (and, thus, could be used to enhance their performance), or if the feed can be used as a high protein food supplement.

The handwritten procedures detailing the extraction of the chicken laying meal obtained during investigations were examined. All were similar in content, with the major difference being that two of them required gentle heat to remove the excess solvent. This similarity is interesting, considering the broad geographical distance from their points of collection. The procedures, which included hand-drawn diagrams of equipment set-ups, similar to notes seized in most clandestine drug laboratories, can be generalised as follows:

* The laying meal is placed in a large container, such as a five-gallon (20 litre) plastic or metal bucket.
* Methanol, acetone, or a mixture of both, is added to the meal and is soaked for four to six hours. The liquid is decanted from the meal through large filter papers or through several layers of cheese-cloth into another bucket.
* The solvent is evaporated at ambient temperature with a fan or by gentle heating on a stove or hot-plate. The residue is then dried and used.
* One recipe suggested placing the residue in cookie sheets and spraying it with ethyl ether, then drying in an oven until hard like a brick, breaking it into chunks, and sifting with a final cut of vitamin B12 or Vita-Blend. This recipe reported an approximate yield of 16 to 20 pounds (7.2-9.0 kg) of material from a 100 pound (45 kg) sack of feed.

Experimental

Nutrena Layer 16 (40 g) was ground in a mortar and soaked in methanol/ acetone (1:1) for 6 hours. The solvent was vac vacuum filtered, collected and removed by gentle heating on a hot water bath. A viscous, green-coloured syrup was recovered. This residue was washed with petroleum ether, which removed most of the green coloration. The petroleum ether-insoluble material was isolated and dissolved in a minimal amount of chloroform/ methanol (4:1). If a water-soluble salt of a phenethylamine were present in the meal, it would be soluble in this solvent mixture.

This residue was examined by capillary gas chromatography-mass spectrometry (Hewlett Packard Model 58987) using a 12.5 m x 0.20 mm cross-linked 5% methylphenyl silicone (0.33 micron film thickness) column. A temperature program starting at 100°C for 2 minutes, ramping at 15° per minute to a final temperature of 300°C for 2 minutes was used. These same conditions are used to examine suspected clandestine phenethylamine evidence for precursors, reaction by-products and finished product.

Figure 2 shows the total ion (TIC) of the extract. Two major peaks were noted at 9.16 and 1032 minutes. A library search of the first gave a hit of hexadecanoic acid (palmitic acid), commonly found in oils and fats. The second peak also gave a library search return of low confidence of several long-chain carboxylic acids. Other fatty acids identified in the extract were pentadecanoic acid, the methyl ether of oleic acid and the ethyl ester of hexadecanoic acid. This was not surprising since this laying meal contains a minimum of 3% crude fat by weight. The petroleum ether wash was examined and found to be rich in fatty acids.

The primary area of interest of the TIC is the region from about 2.0 to 5.0 minutes, where the phenethylamines and their precursors commonly elute during routine examination. A library search to identify the peaks at 3.15 and 3.48 minutes was unsuccessful. However, these two compounds clearly were not of the phenethylamine class. Both mass spectra lacked the familiar m/z 91 and 77 ions, typical of mono-substituted benzene rings and did not exhibit base peaks of m/z 44, 58 or 72 representing the beta cleavage of the amine in phenylpropanolamine, amphetamine, ephedrine, methamphetamine, methylephedrine or dimethylamphetamine. The spectra did, however, exhibit the typical "picket fence" appearance of long chain hydrocarbons with obvious losses of m/z 14 and 28 in several places.
Conclusion

The myth of chicken laying meals containing stimulants such as amphetamine or methamphetamine which can be diverted and extracted by clandestine drug laboratory operators is laid to rest. The myth was disproved by an investigation on three independent fronts including the Food and Drug Administration; interviews with three major manufacturers of laying meals on the historical and current trends in meal formulations; and by the chemical examination of an extract obtained by using seized clandestine notes.
 
I'll have to look into this plugging business a bit more though. Are there any threads on the forum that deal with the finer points of this method..?

The Big and Dandy Guide to Rectal Administration (Plugging) should cover pretty much everything :)

Essentially you put your meph in a 2ml (or 5ml, but the smaller the better ;)) oral syringe (easily available in any pharmacy - they're used for giving babies medication), suck up warm water, shake to dissolve, insert, squirt and your done. Kicks in hard and fast and uses around half the oral dose - about the same as a snorted dose. Happy plugging :D

PS: Check out The Mephedrone Megathread for all your meph-based needs :)
 
thanks Bpayne, its nice to have some one use some info to back up what they say. other than just telling me i was wrong. I do appreciate it. Ill take this one as a I Was Wrong. but atleast i know now right?
 
I would imagine that Mephedrone freebase is an oil like Methamphetamine freebase is, so smoking the freebase would be quite hard.

That said, I don't see why you can't just try smoking the salt. Try half your regular dose and tell us how it goes.
 
Experimented a lil more with smoking/vaping meph last night with mixed results. Chasing on tinfoil is okay but very harsh on the throat and left it pretty sore. Seems to vapourise at quite a low temperature so is quite fiddly to not overheat it. The effects are nothing special really either.

I found that a lil sprinkle in a ciggy or spliff seemed to work much better. You don't need a load - a lot less than a snorted dose - but I don't think it's a practical method for getting high with. Works best to keep a pre-existing high going - keeps you ticking over rather than gets you started. Similar to smoking MDMA crystal in many ways - it works, but it's not much practical use for much other than staying on a level.

I suspect it's very hard on the chest/throat too - certainly feels that way. I really wouldn't recommend it, to be honest.
 
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