Mephedrone Addiction

[TheSpade]

Ha ha I wasn't having a dig actually I just didn't think you were one for hitting raves or clubs. Thought you were too old and jaded for that.

Nah just don't think I've ever seen you mention going raving before mate.

 

[noodle1]

this stuff is nasty, i've not been on it long and im already feeling like im out of control with it. my head is screeming for more, my screeming that i cant take another comedown so i have a headake and cravings but why do i keep doing this, over and over and .... *snif* oh yeah thats guuuud!!! and over and over again, its the worst feeling from the worst drug i've ever had

People are different, but (and this is not advice), I find that getting usage down to once a week for 2 weeks, then on the normal night taking a small 5g of Kratom (Red Vein Thai) instead of the meph and just a couple of beers. Do that for 2 weeks and I can't explain it, but kratom just seems to remove cravings. Then nothing for a month. Sorted.
You can also add a new hobby, trying to learn a new skill or reading a book etc ie something different to occupy the mind.

Not for everyone granted, but works for me.
And just for a bit of credibility (although not much), I smoked 15-20 fags a day for 8 years and one day decided to quit mid packet. I've still got the half empty packet. Didn't use patches, wasn't going mental. A little tricky for a few weeks, but no biggy.
Meph on the other hand....without the Kratom method, I'm not sure I could have stopped the cycle with willpower alone.
Now I'm back to once a month after payday, rather than struggling to keep it to once a week and thinking about it most days.

 

[txern41]

cold turkey, BULLSHIT! taper? BULLSHIT!125 hrs straight? some can go cold turkey, some can't! maybe go to detox and maybe they will mercifully put you in coma , get the drug out of the body. or maybe try ibogaine-that shit will scrub your bones dry and washaway any trace of the chemical from your dna. if you do it again it;s because you wanted to.

maybe switching to a less powerful stimulant, like methylone, then dimethocaine, lastly maybe some of the legal stuff-dmaa, herb ecstacy. i don't know the order of potency of research chem's, definitely throw in some benzo's, maybe gbl/ghb for the comedown to stop the fiending. it's all dangerous territory. the options are definitely limited and chances are, you'll never be the same, there will always be something missing.

that;s the interesting thing about addicts, they have seen/felt things that no other person has. they have tasted heaven but they are mere mortals. they continue desperately to seek the face of god but you can only see his face once, the rest is a descent into the inferno, a hellish nightmare becuase most people are not strong enough, not spiritually strong enough to taste such things. that;s why you see the meditating monks who thru years of grueling physical , mental spritual training are finally able to see the face of god permanently. they are just as high as we are but their high is crystal clear, healthy, life giving.

it just takes time , but addicts are tortured by time. anyway, i could go on forever, sorry for rambling but i would seriously consider ibogaine, it;s the most powerful plant in the world, stronger than any man made or natural chemical. it gives addicts a second chance. it can detox you in 24 hours, but in those 24 hrs you will face your demons, in many instances it will be the worst 24 hours of your life-depending on how severe your addiction is. iboga will scrub the memory-drug-dna from your body in 24 hrs.

of course, further sessions may be needed. you need to go out of the country, however, i know of someone with impeccable integrity that operates in the us. if anybody needs help or info please PM me.

god bless, i hope the two young men in the beginning of this thread are ok and able to read this.

 

[7zark7]

...and then they invented paragraphs!

 

[felix]

^ paragraphs added, not sure if that'll help though.

 

[txern41]

TBH, all it sounds like you need is a bit more will power! Sounds stupid, but all you need to do is just knock the session on the head at (for example) 6am on the Sunday morning. I know it's easier said than done, but better to miss out on a few hours of bullshit random conversation than fuck your whole life up? And let's face it, the best part of the session is waaaaay before Sunday night!

not everyone is as strong as you are.

^ paragraphs added, not sure if that'll help though.

what do you mean?

My apologies inso, I've just had that particular image on my mind for a few days

Sure - I can understand people taking it because it's cheap and you can order it over the internet but I can't stand this bollocks about it being a "devil drug that people are helpless in the face of". Surely it's up to people to grow a pair of balls and go "You know what, I've been taking a gram a day for a month, maybe it's time to have a break"

grow balls? i guess you've got big ones.

I think it's a mixture of both. I remember reading before about Salvia and that it has very low addictive qualities because it bind's to beta-receptors in the brain only. Many drugs and I think alkaloids in particular (cocaine, caffine, nicotine) bind to alpha receptors (among others) and this can cause physical dependence.

Then again, I'm a firm believer in mind over matter so I think addiction among many other things can be cured by pure willpower alone.

In saying that: I don't have a bleedin clue about addictive properties of chemical's in the ketone group! Would be very interested if anyone has knowledge in this area

i agree, but would'nt you have to have some willpower to begin with?

 

[felix]

what do you mean?

sorry mate, that massive wall of text seemed rather hectic and impenetrable, but on second reading (with paragraphs) it all seems to make sense.

 

[txern41]

All addiction is psychological in origin (excepting in the case of long term pain relief) it is reinforced by the action of the drug on neurotransmitters & the inevitable mood swings - physical illness - however to my mind these are side effects ( powerful & real ones) but nonetheless they do not represent the core issue.
wikipedia reckons I'm wrong on this as I recall.

addiction is addiction, it is what it is!

 

[ColtDan]

ive only ever done mephedrone after about 4/5 beers. now whenever i go out drinking, booze on its own doesn't hit the spot. especially not at music events. its like needing a ciggeratte whilst drunk, and i end up craving meph...even though in my mind im thinking, right if i do some meph tonight ill end up getting a bad come down, etc etc... then the other half of me is going... who gives a fuck.... itll feel great and tonight will be perfect. fucking stuff

ive also been getting red knuckles and pins and needles/numb hands on the days after... not good. not to mention depression and feeling abit paranoid

 

[txern41]

A simple method that can be used to help start to break the cycle is a basic mind exercise:

Whenever you feel like you want to take a hit, tell yourself 'not this time' and then specifically find something else to do to take your mind off of it (play a videogame, watch a movie, read a book, go for a walk and do the shopping, do some painting etc.). Do this three times, and then on the fourth time you allow yourself to take the hit (normal dose, not a larger one).

What this does is start to train your mind to say no, if you start to increase over time the number of times you say no before giving into the cravings it will start getting easier and easier. It is just a simple willpower exercise, but it can work wonders. It also tends to be more effective than cold-turkey where the 'fuck it' syndrome kicks in and as soon as you take the first hit it's all over and you binge...

i agree. but at what level of usage? if you have just dabbled, understood, but what if your fiending?

 

[txern41]

It just makes you crave for more, and even more then that... I know myself if i had a huge supply i would have gone true enormous ammounts.. even tough it would barely work for me after some point.

understood. addiction=doing something that you know is going to make you feel bad afterwards but do it anyway. being trapped after the highs get shorter and shorter and you panic and keep on and on trying to capture that small moment even if it's not working anymore. yesterday with methylone, first hit great, then you come down and redose but it's not the same so i took more and more and felt worse and worse. not sure about meph, never tried it, but apparently it's more powerful, so perhaps you can keep redosing successfully, also i guess it depends on the timing.

 

[harley89]

You get to a stage where a line, a bomb orally and rectally do not do nothing. I had no pupil dilation, heart rate was stable, no comedown and I found it easier to stop after a mammoth binge. I'm not goin to say how much becuz it's embarassing, but sum of the figures on here are very easly taken. 5 grams - one night...seems about right. I just went cold turkey I didn feel the urge to redose, I just got really stoned and some Valium and a bottle of wine and then pass out. I'm not suggesting this, just how I stopped, then I found smoking weed instead of taking meph. Weed made me question my behaviour to the point my heart was beatin out my chest thinking how much I had consumed. Get through the next weekend without it and it's plain sailing. My usage was around mugube's for the same length of time basically, to put it into some sort of context. I lurked the meph threads watching his use/abuse and found myself thinking..... Yerp I'm at that level, but still no side effects as described. I lost the desire and I doubt I'll go back.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

oh that looks nice shm. Did your girlfriend enjoy it too? How long have saga been offering weekends away like that?

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[Si Dread]

Read all these interesting trip reports, thought to myself geez I should get some of this shit before they ban it... Then I read this thread & yes, I'm still interested... but nah, there's no rush now, really, is there? Lol

I'll stick with those rare, fine pure hits of mdma that I still get the magic outta nearly 20 years later! Haha!

 

[naatural]

Read all these interesting trip reports, thought to myself geez I should get some of this shit before they ban it... Then I read this thread & yes, I'm still interested... but nah, there's no rush now, really, is there? Lol

I'll stick with those rare, fine pure hits of mdma that I still get the magic outta nearly 20 years later! Haha!

I think you have nothing to worry about if you manage to stick to only ever taking it orally. Haven't heard of anybody getting problems like addiction/physical stuff without snorting it.

 

[The Kid]

not everyone is as strong as you are.

It would be a bad world if everyone was.


This is the review from tripadvisor of SHM's place...

We arrived on Friday night to the sound of hardcore techno vibrating through the walls and corridors. Checked into our dormitory, or was it a night club? Could easily have been from the noise level. Oh did I mention- no lock? Had to carry around all my belongings in fear of some skin head tucking in.........With pillows about as thick as a slice of plastic cheese, I knew it'd be a rough night. All I could do was hit the bar and drink myself into a mild subconscious. Fortunately that worked, however the monsters that we found at the hotel that evening would put make any 'circus of horrors' look like a Miss World competition. At around 1am, a local pulled down her pants and consequently urinated on the dance floor. Classy.
The food was alright, and the main hall looks quite grand. It's what's behind the scenes that really let the side down.
On Saturday, the old gym turns into Clyro court. A fair attempt at a night club, complete with indigo murals. The locals (16-17 year olds) all pile in with their McKenzie polo shirts and hoop earrings looking for trouble...........again, copious drinking is advised.
Would I recommend this place to a tramp? Yes. Would I recommend this place to anyone else. No.

Not quite what i was expecting.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUser...-Hay_on_Wye_Powys_Wales.html#CHECK_RATES_CONT

 

[MidnightToSixMan]

Hi all,

First time poster here, so be nice. What a great site - seems like a really friendly place...

Found this thread and wanted to contribute my experience of mephedrone. I imagine I'm a lot older than most of the posters here - I'm 44, married with kids, mortgage and all the rest of the crap that comes with middle age. I've been dabbling in drugs for years now - mainly just weed, and a little bit of charlie and e's when i can get hold of them - but this drug is different. Partly due to its cost and easy availability, but mainly due to how good it makes me feel, I've been taking mephedrone regularly for a few months now. Not much compared to some of the posters here (probably no more than half a gram in an evening), but enough to make me worry about my intake.

For me the comedowns haven't been too bad apart from a lot of guilt and a bit of worry about my health. I haven't had any of the nasty stuff like purple knees, brain zaps or palpitations, but I guess that's because I'm only taking a small (200g) bomb and a couple of lines each time. I'd advise anybody who's thinking of taking it to keep the dosage low and bomb it as opposed to sniffing it. And be careful, because it's insidious. I'm getting to the stage now where I can't face an evening without it, particularly if I'm going out.

Hope angelsmoke and mugabe are still doing OK - I really feel for you two and hope you pull through.

 

[perfect haze]

Hey 12-6man. Cheers for sharing your experience, and it's good to see a diverse range of ages up in here, although you'd be surprised there's plenty of creaky old buggers floating around EADD (no offence peeps :D).

If your meph use s becoming a crutch I'd definetely recommend giving it a miss for a week or two, just to reset the meters and refocus like. Anyways, all the best, I'm sure you know what you're doing

 

[MidnightToSixMan]

Cheers ph (great user name, btw). Glad to hear there's a few other old gits on here.

The trouble is that it's not easy giving it a miss when you've got it lying around and it's so easy to get hold of a top-up (and you've got fuck all self-control). I've always thought that drugs should be legalised, but my experience with this stuff has made me reconsider that. I'm almost looking forward to it becoming illegal - at least that will make it more difficult to get hold of.

 

[mrwhite]

Cheers ph (great user name, btw). Glad to hear there's a few other old gits on here.

The trouble is that it's not easy giving it a miss when you've got it lying around and it's so easy to get hold of a top-up (and you've got fuck all self-control). I've always thought that drugs should be legalised, but my experience with this stuff has made me reconsider that. I'm almost looking forward to it becoming illegal - at least that will make it more difficult to get hold of.

Hi mate i have the same problem....

I started taking methadrone end of last summer then started selling it and would buy 500g at a time and makes some great money but would have a little every night. A little became a lot and i would go out on a midweek night get mashed get home for 6, showered and changed then stright into work sniffing al morning and all day at work, feeling terrible. My problem was i cant stop...

This week i decided i need to sort it out as its ruining my life and changing me. For the past 8 months i dont think i had a sober day.

Went to my first NA meeting on Tuesday and was relaly helpful knowing people feel the same. They understood and did not judge that i wasn't into hard drugs and got a sense of bellonging and learning from their experiances.

I went again on Wednesday and was really helpful and was able to complete my 1st 24hrs sober in about 6 months.

But todya... Had a bad day at work was on my mind but i ignored it. Was contemplating going to a meeting tonight (thurs) at 7:30 but i thought i was ok...

An hour later im diving against my will to pick some up.My head is batteling telling me not to do it but i cant help it.

Anyone who has a problem should go to a meeting. It was a refreshiong experiance and its nice being able to talk to a lot of people and nobody judges you...


Matt

Manchester

EDIT: On 5+ grams a day.