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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

dopemegently said:
Edit: it just occurred to me that a good way to change the flavour of the smoke could be to use the concentrates they sell to make DIY e-liquid; it's designed to be inhaled, and it's very strong. (And also crucial for making e-juice; something I'm gonna start doing soon. Only thing is I don't know where it could be diluted the with herb your using in a blend - maybe it could be "cut" into the blend with like a blade, also partially grinding the herb for easier use rolling joints and bowls and things? At least, that's how I'm doing when my concentrates arrive.
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excellent idea there dope! please report back when you do it
 
dopemegently said:
Edit: it just occurred to me that a good way to change the flavour of the smoke could be to use the concentrates they sell to make DIY e-liquid; it's designed to be inhaled, and it's very strong. (And also crucial for making e-juice; something I'm gonna start doing soon. Only thing is I don't know where it could be diluted the with herb your using in a blend - maybe it could be "cut" into the blend with like a blade, also partially grinding the herb for easier use rolling joints and bowls and things? At least, that's how I'm doing when my concentrates arrive.
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Do NOT smoke eliquids if you value your health. Only vapourize them. They contain either propylene glycol/vegetable glycerin and both are harmful when burnt!
 
I'd love to hear about harm reduction efforts for synthetic cannabinoids.
Also, if you are aware of ANY current studies on effects/dose amounts please point me in that direction. I'm also interested in knowing if anyone has any info about the interaction of prescribed psychotropic medications combined with synthetic cannabis use.
Thanks for your help, comments, suggestions, and thoughts!
 
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harmreducernyc said:
I'd love to hear about harm reduction efforts for synthetic cannabinoids.
Also, if you are aware of ANY current studies on effects/dose amounts please point me in that direction. I'm also interested in knowing if anyone has any info about the interaction of prescribed psychotropic medications combined with synthetic cannabis use.
Thanks for your help, comments, suggestions, and thoughts!
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Doctors are already using synths AS psychotropic medications, look up JWH-133, AM1346, along with MJ extracts like CBD.
 
I think im giving up noids for good, i havent smoked any in maybe three months. I were never addicted, i smoked maybe once or twice a week.
In total i made (and smoked) one 5F-AKB48 batch, one AB-FUBINACA batch, and then some samples of PB-22 and 5F-AB-PINACA. Some years ago i smoked JWH-018 and UR-144.

What makes me think im not going back is that i love weed, and these synth things are very harsh in comparison; they cut me no slack while im at it, and they leave a hole when im not. Weed keeps me gently afloat during the comedown + afterglow and puts me down on earth lightly like a feather. I visualise it like synths hitting one part of the weed high very hard, and the other parts not at all - i feel somethings missing, so i smoke more, and the part that is actually hit get so intensely hit im uncomfortable? Something like that.
Also the tolerance is nothing i can live with if i care to continue my weed use.

Though i will probably linger here and in other forums still, its interesting to see what new stuff pops out and how it affects people. Id like to see where the scene is going... more and more binges, addictions, blackouts, hospitalizations, etc... where will this end?


Also, completely unrelated, on the naming of AB-FUBINACA and the likes. Who makes these names? They are the only one that follows a pattern, i believe? As such:

A[[D]B-][FUB/P/CHM][INA/I][CA]

the first A i dont know about. its just there.
if theres an adamant(yl?) thing then there is no B, but if theres a clusterfuck like whats on AB-FUBINACA then the B is there. the D means an addition of a methyl on the particular AB-FUBINACA one.
this gives us A, AB-, and ADB-.

then theres the pokey end, where we either have a pentyl, P, a cyclohexylmethyl, CHM, or flourophenylmethyl: FUB.

depending on if its an indole or an indazole, the next part is I or INA, respectively.

the trailing CA i suppose means the carboxyl.

if you combine these you get the various chemicals.
AB-FUBINACA means an indazole with flourophenylmethyl, and "the clusterfuck" (i dont know what to call it? the iupac is too long and cumbersome) attached with a carboxyl.
AB-CHMINACA has recently surfaced in my country. The only difference to AB-FUBINACA is the flourophenylmethyl has become a cyclohexylmethyl. Thus FUB -> CHM.
APINACA means indazole with pentyl, and adamantyl on the carboxyl. (this one is also known as AKB-48)
APICA is the same as APINACA but with indole instead of indazole (akso known as SDB-001).
You could make something up, like ACHMICA, meaning adamantyl, cyclohexylmethyl, indole skeleton. (AFAIK this one doesnt exist (yet?) and i dont know if it would be active.)

then theres ADBICA which should, according to this index, be named ADBPICA. Its the clusterfuck again, with the extra methyl, on an indole skeleton, and with a pentyl. There is no P in the name though.

The system breaks quickly. PB-FUBINACA should be called PB-FUBICA, and theres many chems thats just "wrong". My belief is maybe pfizer or what have you made the first four or five and named them after this pattern, and later on people (vendors?) just wants to name their new chems in a fashion that attracts customers... ?

/end of rant
 
so how many of you are getting blackouts because of these latest noids the 5f ones doesn't not matter if its pure or in a blend I always end up blacking out and find myself on the bedroom floor then a little out of my body for a few hours
 
I remember back when MAM-2201 was still legal, I'd take huge bong rips of it mixed with tobacco, huge to the point where the initial 10 seconds after exhaling the bong rip was a desperate grasp for air. Consuming that amount in one go made me blackout all the time. But any normal sized bong rip, or smoked as a cig, didn't make me blackout, but often made me tired.
 
Is there an isopropyl form of THC?

When I search it I just get lots of extraction posts.
 
thenightwatch said:
what do you mean "isopropyl form"? like instead of the pentyl?
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Like, with an Isopropyl molecule attached to where the Hyrdrochloride is.

And

I was just thinking about THC Benzoate while listening to 2 Chainz "Hit it with the fork" which is about cooking crack.


So I decided to look up what "Crack" actually is, because there has to be a difference between Cocaine and Crack. So I looked up the two molecules.
Cocaine
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Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate)
130px-SodiumBicarbonate.svg.png


And it looks like Bicarbonate (Baking soda) is actually an acid or alcohol type structure with lots of reactable oxygens/hydrogens, but it has a magnetic change because a Sodium is polarized to it (not sure if that is the right word), so in essence when you use baking soda you are hitting it with Oxygen, and something that Catalyzes change (Sodium in the presence of certain things makes them change), basically making Cocaine Bicarbonate.

And this reminded me of some stuff I read about Toad Venom (Bufotenine) which when smoked in its natural acidic form (5-Hydroxy-DMT) it has too many react-able oxygens, but when you mix it with edible lime it becomes safe to use (basically the same as DMT) because the Hydroxy is neutralized by being attached to parts of the edible lime.

Now, my question is... With those 2 loose Hydrogens waving around (15 in total actually, I just don't understand what H3C is and how it reacts, because it is not an independent structure), and a Hydroxide (OH) sticking out like a sore thumb, and that oxygen hiding underneath...
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Has anyone ever tried THC in its base form?
 
THC is not an alkaloid. it isn't paired with a HCl.

crack is not "cocaine bicarbonate"... the bicarbonate molecule neutralizes the HCl from the salt form of cocaine.
 
thenightwatch said:
THC is not an alkaloid. it isn't paired with a HCl.

crack is not "cocaine bicarbonate"... the bicarbonate molecule neutralizes the HCl from the salt form of cocaine.
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I've heard that before, that it makes "Cocaine Freebase" but I have also heard that Cocaine is an oil... And I can't find a picture of a "Crack" molecule, so it's just confusing.
 
I tried a small amount of MAM-2201, between 3-5 mg, on the tail end of a bk-MDMA + 2C-B trip (~9 hours after ingestion, only residual stimulation left) about an hour after taking 1 mg diclazepam and 0.5 mg etizolam (first time using them after a trip). This resulted in tremendous anxiety, increased heart rate, sweating punctuated by brief periods of relaxation. I understood there was some synergy between these synthetic cannabinoids and psychedelics before I went into this, and also knew that the synthetic cannabinoids are prone to causing anxiety. I just did not expect the extent of synergy so many hour after ingesting the psychedelics, and for the anxiety to cut through the benzodiazepines like a knife through warm butter.
I have tried this dose of MAM-2201 before without the other drugs in my system and had slightly enjoyable times but it is definitely not something I could use frequently.
 
^^^ it is indeed. quoting from drugs forum:

"Users have experienced panic
attacks and vomiting at doses as small as 2 milligrams with AM-2201."

it talks about AM-2201, but i believe they're similar or it's an error since the page is about MAM-2201
 
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