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quick howto for making your own blend

ingredients required: your synthetic cannabinoid, your herbs (i like mullein and raspberry leaf, also sometimes use peppermint leaf), 99% isopropyl alcohol (hereon referred to as IPA), a mason jar or other container for mixing in, and an oven or food dehydrator for drying in

1. put your cannabinoid and your IPA inside the mason jar. how much cannabinoid you add is up to you. anywhere from 3%-10% of your herb weight works. (that would be anywhere from 1g to 3g of cannabinoid for a 30gram batch).

use 5ml of IPA for each 1gram of herb you're planning on using. (that would be 150ml of IPA in a 30g batch) shake or stir until the cannabinoid is completely dissolved.

2. once the cannabinoid is fully dissolved add your herb to the jar. shake or stir until the herb is evenly and completely soaked with the IPA mixture.

3. put the contents of the mason jar into the oven. set the oven to the lowest setting (on my oven this is 150degrees F). what i do is put aluminum foil on a baking sheet, then spread the herb onto the aluminum foil. (when i used to use a food dehydrator i used wax paper instead) i leave the oven door propped open a bit to allow the IPA to evaporate outward instead of staying caught in the oven. not sure if its dangerous to leave the oven door shut, but better to not take any chances IMO. IPA is flammable.

4. check your herb every once in awhile to see how its drying. stir it up occasionally to make sure it evaporates evenly. it only takes 2-3 hours or so to dry. maybe a tiny bit longer.

5. you're done!

if you want to add any flavorings do it in step 1. i used to always use Ethyl-Vanillin (the type of artifical vanilla flavor that Hershey's uses in their chocolate). i've also used various herbs/spices for a holiday flavored blend... cinnamon, nutmeg, clove, thyme, rosemary, ginger, etc. i've found that a good ratio for flavorings is to use 5%-10% of your herb weight... so say you're using 30grams of herb, you'd add 1.5g-3g of flavoring.

any further questions, just ask. on a different site CassiveMock rated one of my blends as 9.9/10. i don't sell on that site anymore though.
 
quick howto for making your own blend

ingredients required: your synthetic cannabinoid, your herbs (i like mullein and raspberry leaf, also sometimes use peppermint leaf), 99% isopropyl alcohol (hereon referred to as IPA), a mason jar or other container for mixing in, and an oven or food dehydrator for drying in

1. put your cannabinoid and your IPA inside the mason jar. how much cannabinoid you add is up to you. anywhere from 3%-10% of your herb weight works. (that would be anywhere from 1g to 3g of cannabinoid for a 30gram batch).

use 5ml of IPA for each 1gram of herb you're planning on using. (that would be 150ml of IPA in a 30g batch) shake or stir until the cannabinoid is completely dissolved.

2. once the cannabinoid is fully dissolved add your herb to the jar. shake or stir until the herb is evenly and completely soaked with the IPA mixture.

3. put the contents of the mason jar into the oven. set the oven to the lowest setting (on my oven this is 150degrees F). what i do is put aluminum foil on a baking sheet, then spread the herb onto the aluminum foil. (when i used to use a food dehydrator i used wax paper instead) i leave the oven door propped open a bit to allow the IPA to evaporate outward instead of staying caught in the oven. not sure if its dangerous to leave the oven door shut, but better to not take any chances IMO. IPA is flammable.

4. check your herb every once in awhile to see how its drying. stir it up occasionally to make sure it evaporates evenly. it only takes 2-3 hours or so to dry. maybe a tiny bit longer.

5. you're done!

if you want to add any flavorings do it in step 1. i used to always use Ethyl-Vanillin (the type of artifical vanilla flavor that Hershey's uses in their chocolate). i've also used various herbs/spices for a holiday flavored blend... cinnamon, nutmeg, clove, thyme, rosemary, ginger, etc. i've found that a good ratio for flavorings is to use 5%-10% of your herb weight... so say you're using 30grams of herb, you'd add 1.5g-3g of flavoring.

any further questions, just ask. on a different site CassiveMock rated one of my blends as 9.9/10. i don't sell on that site anymore though.
Thank you for the fast response but my frog really wanted to make just the chemical itself not necessarily the blend
I do have some new information but I'm not sure this is the correct place to put it so forgive me if that's the wrong spot
My frog was tired of the fishy flavor of his store bought blend he added some vapor tobacco liquid strawberry flavored
Wow it definitely increase the potency according to my frog I believe the vapor liquid is actually slowing to burn enough to help transfer more of the chemical as a vapor so frog.
actually achieved a better hi
PS Don't flick a cartridge off vapor cigarette fluid I got some in my eye helping my frog .burns and it felt like I had a coffee buzz
 
My frog put 1 drop of e liquid in his 1 hitter last time the next time he put 2 drops in this actually slows the burn enough to allow more of the chemical to vaporize frog says even better tihs time.
 
Thank you for the fast response but my frog really wanted to make just the chemical itself not necessarily the blend

making the chemical itself is a very involved and expensive process requiring knowledge of organic chemistry synthesis. synthesis discussion is not allowed on bluelight.
 
My frog has made many different chemicals using diet pills and using things like the vicks inhalers ice not sure this qualifies him to make this stuff but he isnt scared to try he does understand and respect the dangers involved
 
just had a small bong hit of mam2201 blend. real nice, mellow and quite euphoric. it feels strange to be stoned but without any crazyness and mind racing etc i tend to only smoke weed with benzos but on this i could probs not even use them, i am going to tho cos i can imagine them be very nice together.
Exactly that's how I feel about MAM-2201. No psychotic side effects at all. Could imagine to smoke it with friends without getting freaked out. The only annoying thing is, that it doesn't make me want to sleep.
PF-22BB is a bit more psychotic for me. Feels like smoking cannabis, but also doesn't make me sleepy, which is a pity, because my intention was to use Cannabinoids as a sleeping aid.
 
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My frog has made many different chemicals using diet pills and using things like the vicks inhalers ice not sure this qualifies him to make this stuff but he isnt scared to try he does understand and respect the dangers involved

Your frog?

I am guessing this is some way for you to avoid admitting your talking about yourself. We dont do the SWIM thing here....and we dont do "my frog". Saying your frog to avoid saying "I" will not help you seem innocent.

QUOTE=foolsgold;11335282]WOW really 250mg has lasted 11 months shit man that's insane iv smoked no word of a lie 3 grams in 24 hours before now that's why i do not bother with them any more i do not get stoned of them i enter a trip state like lsd . its worse when on stims with me its a constant re dose re dose going on then the is fall a sleep for a few hours wake foil re dose re dose . i think the main problem is iv never really had a day off in 20 years of drug abuse so my brain is screwed up to the point of im really missing out on on every thing drugs have to offer now a days its just grabbing at the things it can . but still 250mg in 11 months im going to go and sulk now :)[/QUOTE]

Jesusgreen walk talking about 250mgs of the straight synthetic cannabinoid, not of spice. I think you are talking about 3 grams of spice mix, which is synthetic cannabinoids mixed with herbs of some sort to make is smokable. If you had straight synth cannabinoids it would be in a crystally powder substance.
 
I am in no way innocent , but there is definitely no incrimination in my statement. I don't mean to offend you but I have been incarcerated a few times. I do learn from my lessons and I will continue to use this process sorry
 
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My frog put 1 drop of e liquid in his 1 hitter last time the next time he put 2 drops in this actually slows the burn enough to allow more of the chemical to vaporize frog says even better tihs time.

This process has made such a dramatic change in the store bought blend that my frog felt the need to post this
My frog took 3 grams of a store blend added 20 drops of an e liquid. Most of the blends are very dry this will make it very moist you actually want this to slow burn . My frog reported approximately 2 and a half to 3 times the head buzz less paranoia and a seemingly longer duration of buzz
 
^^ re: slow burning

i've noticed that the latest blend i made seems to get me higher when i smoke it in a joint than when i smoke it in a bowl. even taking into account the fact that joints can hold more herb than a single bowl can.

in my experience cannabis is the opposite. bowls of cannabis get me way higher than joints do.
 
My frog put 1 drop of e liquid in his 1 hitter last time the next time he put 2 drops in this actually slows the burn enough to allow more of the chemical to vaporize frog says even better tihs time.
^^ re: slow burning

i've noticed that the latest blend i made seems to get me higher when i smoke it in a joint than when i smoke it in a bowl. even taking into account the fact that joints can hold more herb than a single bowl can.

in my experience cannabis is the opposite. bowls of cannabis get me way higher than joints do.

he totaly agrees with you. his budget only allows him to use a one hitter. if he smokes j's its gone too soon. money was the reason he switched to vapor cigs. he saves about 60% over cigs. so just like Edison an accident (wanting flavor) had beneficial effects. This might be a good cut for your product. it boosts it so to acheve the same potency you could use less product
 
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@foolsgold: "5j-ur144" is better known as 5F-UR144 or XLR-11, which there is plenty of info on. It's good as a booster, but the consensus (myself included) is that it sucks. One of the worst out of the 2nd generation. It's great for boosting other 'noids, since it's so strong, but it's short lasting and very dysphoric by itself.

@marie420: There is little doubt that when used safely, responsibly, and only with PURE materials (NO BLENDS! MAKE IT YOURSELF!) these compounds are pretty safe. I'm on my 5th year of smoking daily - never felt better. I have no (strong) tolerance and no addiction. My girlfriend is the exact same way, so I'm sure I'm not a unique case. Also, Huffman only said that 'warning' to cover his ass, he has no data that these are harmful at all. If you don't binge on these things, you can use them indefinitely! It's when you use impure products and compulsively redose for months that you will start to see problems emerge.

@deltanyne: Yes, one of my favorite ways to smoke cannabinoids is to simply put a dose in the tip of a cigarette [turn it filter-side down and put it back in your pack so nothing falls out], then light it in broad daylight, hold the initial hit, exhale, and get high as shit as I finish the cig. Very nice headrush. =D

@thenightwatch: I always get higher from bowls than from joints, and that's with mary jane and synthetics alike. I'm not sure how you could be getting higher from a joint than from a bowl with your current blend - so much gets wasted in joints! Perhaps you're only getting higher because you can fit more into a joint than in a bowl?

EDIT: There should be a requirement in this thread that everyone must read at least a page or two of previous comments before just posting whatever is on their mind >_<
 
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@foolsgold: "5j-ur144" is better known as 5F-UR144 or XLR-11, which there is plenty of info on. It's good as a booster, but the consensus (myself included) is that it sucks. One of the worst out of the 2nd generation. It's great for boosting other 'noids, since it's so strong, but it's short lasting and very dysphoric by itself.

@marie420: There is little doubt that when used safely, responsibly, and only with PURE materials (NO BLENDS! MAKE IT YOURSELF!) these compounds are pretty safe. I'm on my 5th year of smoking daily - never felt better. I have no (strong) tolerance and no addiction. My girlfriend is the exact same way, so I'm sure I'm not a unique case. Also, Huffman only said that 'warning' to cover his ass, he has no data that these are harmful at all. If you don't binge on these things, you can use them indefinitely! It's when you use impure products and compulsively redose for months that you will start to see problems emerge.

@deltanyne: Yes, one of my favorite ways to smoke cannabinoids is to simply put a dose in the tip of a cigarette [turn it filter-side down and put it back in your pack so nothing falls out], then light it in broad daylight, hold the initial hit, exhale, and get high as shit as I finish the cig. Very nice headrush. =D

EDIT: There should be a requirement in this thread that everyone must read at least a page or two of previous comments before just posting whatever is on their mind >_<

thanks for that info as im new to this synthesis stuff.
my piont was with pg vg mix added to store bought herbal blend. .. action..of pg is to carry the rc at a temp lower than combustion more product enters the blood stream and not burned up.
as for making my own... froggy is still trying to find the prosess and what materials (chemicals)
are needed. please dont take this as a procurement statement or requesting synthesis directions. he just hasnt been able to find it. he is activly looking though.
 
@thenightwatch: ...Perhaps you're only getting higher because you can fit more into a joint than in a bowl?

i took this into account. i'm not smoking a whole joint at once. usually am splitting a single joint into three sessions. i think maybe its just because of the chemicals in my current blend (AB-001 and MN-18). i only have to light a joint once, whereas i light a bowl multiple times.... maybe these chemicals break down more when they're hit with direct flame more often. i dunno.

could be placebo as well, of course
 
i took this into account. i'm not smoking a whole joint at once. usually am splitting a single joint into three sessions. i think maybe its just because of the chemicals in my current blend (AB-001 and MN-18). i only have to light a joint once, whereas i light a bowl multiple times.... maybe these chemicals break down more when they're hit with direct flame more often. i dunno.

could be placebo as well, of course
or maybe the heat from the lighter in a bowlburns more rc than it carries. a joint has a hot tip as the cherry gets close to the product there is an area that reaches the vaporization temp which is lower than temp than what it is burnt at.
 
Ive found out that a local legal herbal blend contains, AB-001 a full agonist that shows more affinity for CB2 than CB1, and also JTE-907 (MN-001) which is a known CB2 inverse agonist. Im trying to deduce what would be the reason for putting an agonist and inverse agonist together in the same blend...would it be to decrease duration of the agonist? Or to protect against massive tolerance to the agonist? Anyone ever heard of this, or want to wager an opinion??
this might be a way to controll OD. this same thing was done with stadol nasle spray it contained an opoid and the same thing hospitals g8ve f9r herion OD 1 2 sprays you were medicated nicely 3 4 5 sprays and you were angry
frustrated . but it prevented OD.
 
Would like to know if anyone has had luck vaping JWH-018 (or other) in an e-cig portable vaporizer.

I've been searching around and found some pointers, and some people saying that it works, but would like more details of suggested e-cig model, etc...

Thanks.
you can add the rc directly to e liquid .
note this is hard on atomizers. for best results use a low resistance atomizer for low voltage (3.7v) units.
Variable voltage units are recommended my frog has found that 4.1v with a 1.8-2.0 ohms atomizer works the best.
 
@thenightwatch, MN-18 actually is VERY susceptible to flame - so that makes a lot of sense. I actually can't even get effects from it unless I vaporize it off of aluminum foil - but when the effects come, they're verrry nice! I believe the naphthylamine moiety breaks off fairly easily during pyrolysis (burning), which is why some people don't get the effects they want from it.

I'll keep in mind MN-18 works with joints, too. Thanks for the tip.

@RaoulDuke45, @Back4More420: Raoul, your post contains conflicting information. JTE-907 is not the same thing as MN-001; MN-001 is another name for UR-144. Are you quite sure that your blend actually contains JTE-907?

Regardless, an antagonist isn't necessarily the same thing as an inverse agonist, so giving an inverse agonist to treat an OD is probably not a good idea, and also probably not what these blend makers had in mind.

JTE-907 is definitely legal all around the world, because it has a unique structure and lacks CB1 affinity, and there have been reports of it causing some cannabinoid-type effects. I suspect that if your blend really has JTE-907 in it, and not UR-144, the makers just added it in because it gets you a buzz, they may not have even realized that AB-001 and JTE-907 may be partially contradicting each other.
 
@thenightwatch, MN-18 actually is VERY susceptible to flame - so that makes a lot of sense. I actually can't even get effects from it unless I vaporize it off of aluminum foil - but when the effects come, they're verrry nice! I believe the naphthylamine moiety breaks off fairly easily during pyrolysis (burning), which is why some people don't get the effects they want from it.

I'll keep in mind MN-18 works with joints, too. Thanks for the tip.

@RaoulDuke45, @Back4More420: Raoul, your post contains conflicting information. JTE-907 is not the same thing as MN-001; MN-001 is another name for UR-144. Are you quite sure that your blend actually contains JTE-907?

Regardless, an antagonist isn't necessarily the same thing as an inverse agonist, so giving an inverse agonist to treat an OD is probably not a good idea, and also probably not what these blend makers had in mind.

JTE-907 is definitely legal all around the world, because it has a unique structure and lacks CB1 affinity, and there have been reports of it causing some cannabinoid-type effects. I suspect that if your blend really has JTE-907 in it, and not UR-144, the makers just added it in because it gets you a buzz, they may not have even realized that AB-001 and JTE-907 may be partially contradicting each other.

you are probibly right about them not kowing. I just happen to have that experience with stadol thought it a possibility. but you are right about ot being a good idea to counter agonst with inverse agonst. thank I learned something.
 
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