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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 3

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you could be lucky it only gets me first thing on a morning got to run to the loo then just feel off all day even when i attack the noids to compensate like what you would do with smack it just does not seem to work with noids but it aint that bad that you cant just shrug it off sort of
 
I've been interested in making my own smoke blends recently but I don't know a lot about the different combinations of noids and there individual effects. I was just going to use AKB48 alone but I was told that it would give mediocre results. I'm looking for something good to burn while I play video games, watch movies, browse the internet, and stuff like that, something that creates a nice euphoria but not overpowering, no crash. I've heard that long term 5FUR-144 can cause some pretty nasty side effects so I'd like to avoid that one and others that can cause those kind of side effects. After a bit of research it seems like AKB48 and UR-144 might be a good combo but I'm not sure. If YOU had a low tolerance what ratio of said noids would you use, how many mgs per gram of each? This blend will be for everyday use, I don't want to use anything that will destroy my cognitive functioning.

never got round to trying it but i think am2201 + ur144 would be a good mix [ ur144 seemed 'blunt' to me whereas am2201 has an edge...so think the two would balance out quite well ]
cant answer your questions about homemade blends but three things spring to mind
1 - your tolerance wont stay low for very long...in fact i usually find myself pretty much imune to the amXXs by the end of an evening playing games and smoking..
2 - if you're that worried about damaging your cognative functions and worried about side effects then dont make these part of your daily life. Any thing good, or bad you see written here about any particular 'noid will only be speculation anyway.

3 - i personally found it very hard to reach a comfortable state with these...it was either overpowered or underwhelmed

i put a link in this thread a while back and it got no response....what research has been done so far isnt looking good.
always annoyed me when people chimed in on a synth 'noid thread with "just smoke weed" but, if you're looking for a safe bet that you can use regular then the real thing will always be better.

IMO synth 'noids are probably pretty damn bad for you, worse than tobacco...they are good for increasing the intensity of trips and probably have some medical uses but thats it.
 
never got round to trying it but i think am2201 + ur144 would be a good mix [ ur144 seemed 'blunt' to me whereas am2201 has an edge...so think the two would balance out quite well ]
cant answer your questions about homemade blends but three things spring to mind
1 - your tolerance wont stay low for very long...in fact i usually find myself pretty much imune to the amXXs by the end of an evening playing games and smoking..
2 - if you're that worried about damaging your cognative functions and worried about side effects then dont make these part of your daily life. Any thing good, or bad you see written here about any particular 'noid will only be speculation anyway.

3 - i personally found it very hard to reach a comfortable state with these...it was either overpowered or underwhelmed

i put a link in this thread a while back and it got no response....what research has been done so far isnt looking good.
always annoyed me when people chimed in on a synth 'noid thread with "just smoke weed" but, if you're looking for a safe bet that you can use regular then the real thing will always be better.

IMO synth 'noids are probably pretty damn bad for you, worse than tobacco...they are good for increasing the intensity of trips and probably have some medical uses but thats it.

Thanks for the feedback dude, I heed your warnings but I think I'm going to make my own blend anyways, I'm only going to be smoking it until I'm in the clear to smoke weed again and then occasionally afterwords. I will just keep a look out for any negative changes in my body and mind, if I notice anything alarming I will stop immediately. I have been on a couple "binges" with the stuff about a year ago, total usage combined being about 9 grams of various spice brands (I know that's not a lot but it was for me) I honestly didn't notice any real negative effects other than the occasional headache and a bad trip. I know it's all speculation but do you think any negative effects, specifically on the mind, would be permanent or would they cease a few weeks after use?
 
my quess would be - the cognative effects would wear off within days rather than weeks.
the thing i liked about synth noids was i didnt wake up feeling retarded, whereas weed gives me a 'hangover'

here's the link i mentioned, tbh i didnt properly read or understand it, or make any effort to as i'd stopped well before i saw it

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1864948/
 
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Cannabis .v. Synthetics

Good morning good people.

This is an issue that's been floating about my head for a few weeks: what are the benefits of cannabis over a synth blend, such as a ur144/damiana?

The reason I ask is because I can source synth blends and high quality cannabis, but If you were given the choice, what would you choose and why? =D
 
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my quess would be - the cognative effects would wear off within days rather than weeks.
the thing i liked about synth noids was i didnt wake up feeling retarded, whereas weed gives me a 'hangover'

here's the link i mentioned, tbh i didnt properly read or understand it, or make any effort to as i'd stopped well before i saw it

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1864948/

Well that went right over my head lmfao. I skimmed over some of it and have no idea what they're talking about.
 
No one any views on this? I've heard many people say things like "Why do you wanna smoke ur144 when you've got the real thing?" Would this be the same, or similar, argument as "Why would you wanna take 4-aco-dmt when you've got magic mushrooms?" Or is there something I'm missing?
 
I have only ever turned to synths when i couldnt get the real deal. Among the many stoners I know who have personally played with synths and many of my friends here on bluelight: Very Very few have said they ever preferred the high of a synth to smoking the real deal. I know a fair amount of people who turn to it cause its legal or they fear drug tests.

The high from smoking synths is very strong compared to cannabis in my experience. Though strong the high i have gotten from many of the synths is much shorter lived. That makes me get the it to redose(smoke moarrr) And it causes tolerance to sky rocket.

And there isnt just much research into them and their long term effects. They are def just not the same.
 
Im not very knowledgeable about synths but didn't the guy that first 'discovered' the first synthetic cannabinoids say that recreational use of the drug is just plain stupid? If that's true then it should say something. I can see the attraction - cost, legality, drug testing etc. but is it really worth risking your health?
 
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Im not very knowledgeable about synths but didn't the guy that first 'discovered' the first synthetic cannabinoids say that recreational use of the drug is just plain stupid? If that's true then it should say something. I can see the attraction - cost, legality, drug testing etc. but is it really worth risking your health?

The creator of the JWH compounds (John Huffman) said this:

It's like playing russian roulette because we don’t have toxicity data, we don’t know the metabolites, and we don’t know the pharmacokinetics
 
Dont think anyones mentioned this synthetic cannabinoid before but ive recently tried a product called 'Doob' from a trusted vendor in the UK.Actually came free with certain other products.

So it arrives,it looks exactly like weed,smells nothing like it,took one pipe full of the stuff and was sent straight to a different dimension. It felt like hell had just arisen.All my perceptions were hideously distorted, i could hear voices,see different faces,definatly a heavy psychedelic feel to it. It wasn't nice i must admit for a good hour or so. I thought i was doing damage to my brain or something. The bad trip lasted about 1 hour, but then i nicely started to come down nicely of it and felt ok,very trippy still but no where near as intense(thank god!)

Anyway just thought i make a effort to warn people about this product 'Doob'.Take in small doses,trust me it's very strong!!
 
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I've heard many people say that ur144 'feels' safe and is very close to a nice sativa high. I was wondering, for a small time smoker, how much longer 1g of ur144 blend would last me over 1g high grade weed.
 
I'd take cannabis any day. I used synthetics for about a year and I just never found that experience as satisfying. A huge thing is simply taste and i think cannabis is more of a balanced full high.

Nothing like the taste, texture of the smoke, the smell... Also I prefer a heady/heavy indica (bubba kush type) high to a sativa high and i haven't found any synthetic stuff that feels narcotic/couch-lock/mellow buzz.
 
Never used synths, no intention to. I can see the appeal but I just love the smell, taste and look of weed to much.
 
I've used synths by themselves and in conjunction with high grade bud and would always choose bud first. The after effects of heavy use just outweight the short term high you'll get (And most people I know who use synths will use heavily due to having to redose more often).

Used in conjunction with bud it caused me to hit a level where I'd become 'sober' again. I'd be melting into the couch after bud, then have a dose of synth and suddenly feel incredibly sober again like I'd just woken up from sleeping.
 
I would choose bud no question, I have smoked numerous synthetics and the truth is I really don't think much of them, I think they lack something special that weed has and they have a lot more side effects than traditional smoke.
 
I've used plenty of synthetic cannibinoids and they never give you that actual real "weed" high. but slightly different. Always blasted me out retarted with it then gave me headaches 10 minutes later. Marijuana > Synthetic
 
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